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> <channel><title>Comments on: Dr Jeffrey John is a man of integrity</title> <atom:link href="http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/</link> <description>Breaking news and opinion from the online edition of Britain&#039;s leading Catholic newspaper</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:44:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-27261</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-27261</guid> <description>As a gay Christian I feel that Dr Jeffrey John has been treated very poorly in the 21st century where we are still coming out of the dark ages. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gay Christian I feel that Dr Jeffrey John has been treated very poorly in the 21st century where we are still coming out of the dark ages.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-1519</link> <dc:creator>John</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:19:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-1519</guid> <description>Can&#039;t speak for Anglicans, and Jeffrey John&#039;s partnership, but please see the Vatican document on same-sex unions, and how Catholics should react to such things:- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#39;t speak for Anglicans, and Jeffrey John&#39;s partnership, but please see the Vatican document on same-sex unions, and how Catholics should react to such things:- <a
href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations&#8230;</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bwaj</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-1376</link> <dc:creator>Bwaj</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:08:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-1376</guid> <description>The Catholic Church in the Catechism and the Scriptures calls homosexuals to live chastely. It does not state two homosexual men or women may live in a same-sex partnership,even a chaste one, this is forbidden so whose Scriptures and Catechism are you reading?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Catholic Church in the Catechism and the Scriptures calls homosexuals to live chastely. It does not state two homosexual men or women may live in a same-sex partnership,even a chaste one, this is forbidden so whose Scriptures and Catechism are you reading?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-1157</link> <dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:54:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-1157</guid> <description>As always, william, you combine theological and moral orthodoxy with compassion and common sense. It is conduct and not nature which matters and God is frogiving of our wrong conduct when we repent. The Catholocism which you and Pope Benedict teach- which we might call Ressourcement- is what we always held.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, william, you combine theological and moral orthodoxy with compassion and common sense. It is conduct and not nature which matters and God is frogiving of our wrong conduct when we repent. The Catholocism which you and Pope Benedict teach- which we might call Ressourcement- is what we always held.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Lindsay</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link> <dc:creator>David Lindsay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:33:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-1090</guid> <description>No. The re is no requirement for consummation, so it really has nothing to do with homosexuality as such. Indeed, it could not possibly have. Constitutionally.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We may fund forced abortion in China and elsewhere, but it is impossible to overstate the constitutional crisis that would follow from any legislative attempt formally to require anyone in this country to have an abortion. We may have eroded the special character of Sunday to such an extent that many people are effectively compelled to work on it, but it is impossible to overstate the constitutional crisis that would follow from any direct attempt to write that compulsion into law, or formally to declare Sunday a normal shopping day. We may have deregulated drinking and gambling to an alarming extent, but it is impossible to overstate the constitutional crisis that would follow from any legislative attempt to abolish all restrictions on them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And we may long ago have come to the humane and necessary conclusion that homosexual acts between consenting adults in private were no business of the criminal law, but it is impossible to overstate the constitutional crisis that would follow from any legislative attempt to make the acquisition of certain civil privileges conditional upon engagement in such acts, or indeed in any form of sexual act other than that between husband and wife. As Leo Abse himself said on the fortieth anniversary of his Bill&#039;s becoming law, &quot;merely because something ought not to be a criminal offence, that does not make it a public good&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is a pity that, by abolishing the fault basis in divorce, we have abolished the State&#039;s, and thus the community&#039;s, expression of disapproval of adultery and desertion even though neither of them has ever been a criminal offence. And it is more than a pity that we have, for the time being, restricted civil partnerships to unrelated same-sex couples even though, with no requirement for consummation nor any constitutional possibility of such a requirement, civil partnerships do not in principle have anything to do with homosexuality.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We have privileged subscription to the scientifically baseless and historically illiterate theory that an inclination towards homosexual acts is somehow an identity, that persons rather than only acts are homosexual or heterosexual, and that those terms are nouns as well as adjectives. That absurd notion is barely, if yet, forty years old, and it was invented in, by and for urban, coastal American subcultures that defined themselves by their sexual abuse of teenage boys. Britain&#039;s pre-eminent homosexualist organisation takes its name from a centre of such abuse.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. The re is no requirement for consummation, so it really has nothing to do with homosexuality as such. Indeed, it could not possibly have. Constitutionally.</p><p>We may fund forced abortion in China and elsewhere, but it is impossible to overstate the constitutional crisis that would follow from any legislative attempt formally to require anyone in this country to have an abortion. We may have eroded the special character of Sunday to such an extent that many people are effectively compelled to work on it, but it is impossible to overstate the constitutional crisis that would follow from any direct attempt to write that compulsion into law, or formally to declare Sunday a normal shopping day. We may have deregulated drinking and gambling to an alarming extent, but it is impossible to overstate the constitutional crisis that would follow from any legislative attempt to abolish all restrictions on them.</p><p>And we may long ago have come to the humane and necessary conclusion that homosexual acts between consenting adults in private were no business of the criminal law, but it is impossible to overstate the constitutional crisis that would follow from any legislative attempt to make the acquisition of certain civil privileges conditional upon engagement in such acts, or indeed in any form of sexual act other than that between husband and wife. As Leo Abse himself said on the fortieth anniversary of his Bill&#39;s becoming law, &#8220;merely because something ought not to be a criminal offence, that does not make it a public good&#8221;.</p><p>It is a pity that, by abolishing the fault basis in divorce, we have abolished the State&#39;s, and thus the community&#39;s, expression of disapproval of adultery and desertion even though neither of them has ever been a criminal offence. And it is more than a pity that we have, for the time being, restricted civil partnerships to unrelated same-sex couples even though, with no requirement for consummation nor any constitutional possibility of such a requirement, civil partnerships do not in principle have anything to do with homosexuality.</p><p>We have privileged subscription to the scientifically baseless and historically illiterate theory that an inclination towards homosexual acts is somehow an identity, that persons rather than only acts are homosexual or heterosexual, and that those terms are nouns as well as adjectives. That absurd notion is barely, if yet, forty years old, and it was invented in, by and for urban, coastal American subcultures that defined themselves by their sexual abuse of teenage boys. Britain&#39;s pre-eminent homosexualist organisation takes its name from a centre of such abuse.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Will</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-1085</link> <dc:creator>Will</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:49:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-1085</guid> <description>The point of civil partnerships is NOT “to privilege homosexuality on the specious basis that it is an identity comparable to ethnicity or class, or even to sex”. It is to give legal recognition to committed gay relationships. Simple really.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of civil partnerships is NOT “to privilege homosexuality on the specious basis that it is an identity comparable to ethnicity or class, or even to sex”. It is to give legal recognition to committed gay relationships. Simple really.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Lindsay</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-1076</link> <dc:creator>David Lindsay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 03:09:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-1076</guid> <description>That Dr John can be celibate in a civil partnership is because civil partnerships already do not need to be consummated. There has never been any such need. So what have they to do with homosexuality, as such, really? Yet the legislation fails to provide for unmarried close relatives. That is proof, as if proof were needed, that the point of this measure is to privilege homosexuality on the specious basis that it is an identity comparable to ethnicity or class, or even to sex, which is written into every cell of the body.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The legislation must be amended immediately to allow unmarried relatives, whether of the same or of opposite sexes, to register their partnerships. Then there would be no problem. If it had said that at the time of its enactment, then there would never have been anything more than a few newspaper stories about how same-sex couples were &quot;planning to make use of a new law to protect elderly unmarried relatives living together from inheritance tax when one of them dies&quot;. So why wasn&#039;t it set up like that? See above, I&#039;m afraid.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Dr John can be celibate in a civil partnership is because civil partnerships already do not need to be consummated. There has never been any such need. So what have they to do with homosexuality, as such, really? Yet the legislation fails to provide for unmarried close relatives. That is proof, as if proof were needed, that the point of this measure is to privilege homosexuality on the specious basis that it is an identity comparable to ethnicity or class, or even to sex, which is written into every cell of the body.</p><p>The legislation must be amended immediately to allow unmarried relatives, whether of the same or of opposite sexes, to register their partnerships. Then there would be no problem. If it had said that at the time of its enactment, then there would never have been anything more than a few newspaper stories about how same-sex couples were &#8220;planning to make use of a new law to protect elderly unmarried relatives living together from inheritance tax when one of them dies&#8221;. So why wasn&#39;t it set up like that? See above, I&#39;m afraid.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Billy</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-1040</link> <dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:39:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-1040</guid> <description>When up for the post of bishop last time, Mr. John asserted that he and his partner did not live together. This was shown to be a lie when it was shown that they had bought and lived in a flat together. This was one of the problems that sunk his candidacy on the last effort. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most people think that &quot;integrity&quot; means that one doesn&#039;t lie. The author of this sad piece apparently doesn&#039;t understand this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When up for the post of bishop last time, Mr. John asserted that he and his partner did not live together. This was shown to be a lie when it was shown that they had bought and lived in a flat together. This was one of the problems that sunk his candidacy on the last effort.</p><p>Most people think that &#8220;integrity&#8221; means that one doesn&#39;t lie. The author of this sad piece apparently doesn&#39;t understand this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: An Anglican</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-1000</link> <dc:creator>An Anglican</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:28:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-1000</guid> <description>Anglicans are supposed to believe and live by Scripture. That is in their formularies and ordinal. I am not quite sure why you criticize evangelicals: they believe Scripture and want to live by it and want their leaders to live by it. Why is that self-righteous? Surely that IS consistent and is godly!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anglicans are supposed to believe and live by Scripture. That is in their formularies and ordinal. I am not quite sure why you criticize evangelicals: they believe Scripture and want to live by it and want their leaders to live by it. Why is that self-righteous? Surely that IS consistent and is godly!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: W Oddie</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/07/dr-jeffrey-john-is-a-man-of-integrity/comment-page-1/#comment-995</link> <dc:creator>W Oddie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:49:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=2417#comment-995</guid> <description>Oh dear. You can be openly homosexual by nature but not sexually active, DUM DUM. As for being &#039;partnered&#039;, the word partner implies nothing whatever about a sexual relationship, which in this case does not exist. But anyone who uses the expression &#039;crock of crap&#039; is illiterate or worse, and their opinion does not count.&lt;br&gt;William Oddie</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear. You can be openly homosexual by nature but not sexually active, DUM DUM. As for being &#39;partnered&#39;, the word partner implies nothing whatever about a sexual relationship, which in this case does not exist. But anyone who uses the expression &#39;crock of crap&#39; is illiterate or worse, and their opinion does not count.<br
/>William Oddie</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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