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> <channel><title>Comments on: The scandal of the Soho Masses</title> <atom:link href="http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/</link> <description>Breaking news and opinion from the online edition of Britain&#039;s leading Catholic newspaper</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:09:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: EditorCT</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1508</link> <dc:creator>EditorCT</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:47:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1508</guid> <description>Kevin, that is very interesting.  I&#039;ve always found that Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion and active homosexuals are extremely belligerent and intolerant of anyone who challenges their position, the former being a (by now) institutionalized liturgical abuse and the latter, of course, a sin crying to Heaven for vengeance. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Put them together and, well... stand clear folks!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, that is very interesting.  I&#39;ve always found that Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion and active homosexuals are extremely belligerent and intolerant of anyone who challenges their position, the former being a (by now) institutionalized liturgical abuse and the latter, of course, a sin crying to Heaven for vengeance.</p><p>Put them together and, well&#8230; stand clear folks!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RJ</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1502</link> <dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:42:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1502</guid> <description>Which documents did you have in mind? - an honest question, not intended sarcastically.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which documents did you have in mind? &#8211; an honest question, not intended sarcastically.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1499</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:08:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1499</guid> <description>EditorCT&lt;br&gt;There is an &#039;Irene Threasher&#039; listed as a Reader / Eucharistic Minister in the Soho Mass newsletter - so unless there are two Irene Threashers . . . then I would say that it&#039;s fairly certain that she does frequent these Masses.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EditorCT<br
/>There is an &#39;Irene Threasher&#39; listed as a Reader / Eucharistic Minister in the Soho Mass newsletter &#8211; so unless there are two Irene Threashers . . . then I would say that it&#39;s fairly certain that she does frequent these Masses.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hoops</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1498</link> <dc:creator>Hoops</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:47:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1498</guid> <description>This happened in Queensland and the priest was dismissed with six months warning and a big hullabullu in the local papers. I know it is corrupting because although devoted to the church my brother started taking the rebel side. He was shouted down at the family gathering. Its best to make a clean end of it with plenty of public notice. If this does not happen people with get the wrong ideas and these will gain an unwarranted foothold among Catholic families</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This happened in Queensland and the priest was dismissed with six months warning and a big hullabullu in the local papers. I know it is corrupting because although devoted to the church my brother started taking the rebel side. He was shouted down at the family gathering. Its best to make a clean end of it with plenty of public notice. If this does not happen people with get the wrong ideas and these will gain an unwarranted foothold among Catholic families</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: EditorCT</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1485</link> <dc:creator>EditorCT</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:43:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1485</guid> <description>Irene Threasher, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Listen.  I don&#039;t know where you got the ideas presented in your post above, but you didn&#039;t find them in Scripture or any other authentic Christian source.  No way. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is patently untrue to suggest that Jesus somehow made the Law redundant. He explicitly said the opposite:  &quot;Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.  For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will pass from the law till all is fulfilled.&quot;  Till the end of the world, then, God&#039;s Law will stand. Like it or lump it, that&#039;s Scripture for you.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for your blasphemous comments about Our Lord&#039;s parentage - again, there is no reputable scripture scholar who holds to that ridiculous conclusion, based on a few words in the gospel, always taken out of context. If there had been any serious question about that matter, it would have nipped Christianity in the bud, well and truly.  First century Judaism?  You kidding?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not that scripture scholars have any teaching authority anyway, of course, but, I repeat, there is absolutely no mileage in that daft allegation, so let it go.  Funny, isn&#039;t it, how Modernists and other heretics select phrases to quote ad nauseam to suit their cause but ignore other verses and whole passages which blow their heresies out of the water. Like Hell for example. The Gospels are riddled with references to Hell and damnation but you won&#039;t find that in your average Pink newspaper...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now to your false beliefs about conscience.  St Thomas Aquinas did not teach that conscience is an independent teacher of faith and morals - quite the reverse.  We must inform our consciences and defer to the infallible teaching authority of the Church if there is any conflict.  Cardinal Newman said: &quot;Christ gave us the Church to save us from ingenuous speculations and reasonings of our own.&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If, in the end, our conscience teaches us that God will be displeased with us if we defer to the Church&#039;s teaching, that we go against His will in following Catholic doctrine and morals, then we must up and say clearly that we no longer choose to remain in Christ&#039;s Church.  The Church is infallible in definitively teaching faith and morals and if you conclude that the Church is wrong about homosexuality, a major moral issue, a sin traditionally &quot;crying to Heaven for vengeance&quot;, then you cannot remain in it in good conscience. You must leave.  You cannot remain in the Church, and then defy God&#039;s law on the pretext that you are &quot;obeying&quot; your conscience.  Behave yourself. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh and less of the judgmental remarks so shamelessly directed at Daphne McLeod.  It is a very basic charity indeed to correct a neighbour whom we see to be in danger of eternal damnation.  Modernists and other heretics spend a lot of time lecturing us all about the temporal works of mercy such as feeding the hungry etc but no time at all on the spiritual works of mercy.  So, you should be thanking Daphne McLeod for her charity, especially if you frequent those &quot;gay&quot; Masses in Soho at the behest of the shameless Archbishop Vincent Nichols, whom, we must never forget, will one day be called to very serious account for this scandal which is a scandal of monumental proportions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irene Threasher,</p><p>Listen.  I don&#39;t know where you got the ideas presented in your post above, but you didn&#39;t find them in Scripture or any other authentic Christian source.  No way.</p><p>It is patently untrue to suggest that Jesus somehow made the Law redundant. He explicitly said the opposite:  &#8220;Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.  For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will pass from the law till all is fulfilled.&#8221;  Till the end of the world, then, God&#39;s Law will stand. Like it or lump it, that&#39;s Scripture for you.</p><p>As for your blasphemous comments about Our Lord&#39;s parentage &#8211; again, there is no reputable scripture scholar who holds to that ridiculous conclusion, based on a few words in the gospel, always taken out of context. If there had been any serious question about that matter, it would have nipped Christianity in the bud, well and truly.  First century Judaism?  You kidding?</p><p>Not that scripture scholars have any teaching authority anyway, of course, but, I repeat, there is absolutely no mileage in that daft allegation, so let it go.  Funny, isn&#39;t it, how Modernists and other heretics select phrases to quote ad nauseam to suit their cause but ignore other verses and whole passages which blow their heresies out of the water. Like Hell for example. The Gospels are riddled with references to Hell and damnation but you won&#39;t find that in your average Pink newspaper&#8230;</p><p>Now to your false beliefs about conscience.  St Thomas Aquinas did not teach that conscience is an independent teacher of faith and morals &#8211; quite the reverse.  We must inform our consciences and defer to the infallible teaching authority of the Church if there is any conflict.  Cardinal Newman said: &#8220;Christ gave us the Church to save us from ingenuous speculations and reasonings of our own.&#8221;</p><p>If, in the end, our conscience teaches us that God will be displeased with us if we defer to the Church&#39;s teaching, that we go against His will in following Catholic doctrine and morals, then we must up and say clearly that we no longer choose to remain in Christ&#39;s Church.  The Church is infallible in definitively teaching faith and morals and if you conclude that the Church is wrong about homosexuality, a major moral issue, a sin traditionally &#8220;crying to Heaven for vengeance&#8221;, then you cannot remain in it in good conscience. You must leave.  You cannot remain in the Church, and then defy God&#39;s law on the pretext that you are &#8220;obeying&#8221; your conscience.  Behave yourself.</p><p>Oh and less of the judgmental remarks so shamelessly directed at Daphne McLeod.  It is a very basic charity indeed to correct a neighbour whom we see to be in danger of eternal damnation.  Modernists and other heretics spend a lot of time lecturing us all about the temporal works of mercy such as feeding the hungry etc but no time at all on the spiritual works of mercy.  So, you should be thanking Daphne McLeod for her charity, especially if you frequent those &#8220;gay&#8221; Masses in Soho at the behest of the shameless Archbishop Vincent Nichols, whom, we must never forget, will one day be called to very serious account for this scandal which is a scandal of monumental proportions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Irene Threasher</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1483</link> <dc:creator>Irene Threasher</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:33:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1483</guid> <description>Where in Daphne McLeod&#039;s reply is the Love for one&#039;s enemies that our Lord asked us to practise?&lt;br&gt;Jesus also came to fulfil the law - he took the bread from the sanctuary on a  Sabbath, he healed on the Sabbath and he touched the dead as he brought them back to life and the Jewish authorities, like Daphne, accused him. Christianity is not about keeping strictly to the rule book as Jesus showed in his actions because the rule book can prevent us from loving people. &lt;br&gt;The genealogy of Jesus from both his parent&#039;s sides is suspect and God has often used the unlikely as his workers.&lt;br&gt;We do not know who are the wheat and whom the tares in our society. God will judge. In the meantime Daphne needs to look at how she is loving.&lt;br&gt;Irene Threasher&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In Catholic writings since Aquinas people are told to obey their consciences and be responsible for the decisions and actions. That we must do.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where in Daphne McLeod&#39;s reply is the Love for one&#39;s enemies that our Lord asked us to practise?<br
/>Jesus also came to fulfil the law &#8211; he took the bread from the sanctuary on a  Sabbath, he healed on the Sabbath and he touched the dead as he brought them back to life and the Jewish authorities, like Daphne, accused him. Christianity is not about keeping strictly to the rule book as Jesus showed in his actions because the rule book can prevent us from loving people. <br
/>The genealogy of Jesus from both his parent&#39;s sides is suspect and God has often used the unlikely as his workers.<br
/>We do not know who are the wheat and whom the tares in our society. God will judge. In the meantime Daphne needs to look at how she is loving.<br
/>Irene Threasher</p><p>In Catholic writings since Aquinas people are told to obey their consciences and be responsible for the decisions and actions. That we must do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: EditorCT</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1484</link> <dc:creator>EditorCT</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:51:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1484</guid> <description>terenceweldon, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We don&#039;t need real-life experience of robbing banks to know that it&#039;s wrong, so away with that non-sequitur. Get thee to a monastery, man, and do some prayer, penance and pondering though not necessarily in that order.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terenceweldon,</p><p>We don&#39;t need real-life experience of robbing banks to know that it&#39;s wrong, so away with that non-sequitur. Get thee to a monastery, man, and do some prayer, penance and pondering though not necessarily in that order.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ebraist</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1474</link> <dc:creator>Ebraist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:19:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1474</guid> <description>The difference is that laws of the road are reviewed and amended as and when it is deemed to be fit by experts in that field, with the opportunity of input from those very people who use those roads. &lt;br&gt;If a STOP sign exists where it isn&#039;t necessary, it is removed. If there is a junction where it is clearly needed, but none exists, responsible authorities will place one there. Speed limits are modified as is sensible so as to provide safety, but not to hinder the progression of traffic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And this also is a changing world. It never stands still however much we might like it to at times. Thus the laws that govern us must also always be up for review by those appointed with wisdom and the confidence of the people. Unfortunately, the Vatican seems not to understand this simple point, and its total stubbornness on a number of subjects, even to the point often of expressing a dismissive and arrogant attitude towards the young particularly, will inevitably mean that the Church loses all credibility and has no influence over anyone but a tiny minority. There is nothing wrong with that per se, but then it loses the right to call itself a universal religion. It is no longer Catholic. Just the Church of Rome.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am happy to hear that you are a cute girl who frequents Confession. I think W Oddie was also very happy to hear this. And I wish you well in your faith.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is that laws of the road are reviewed and amended as and when it is deemed to be fit by experts in that field, with the opportunity of input from those very people who use those roads. <br
/>If a STOP sign exists where it isn&#39;t necessary, it is removed. If there is a junction where it is clearly needed, but none exists, responsible authorities will place one there. Speed limits are modified as is sensible so as to provide safety, but not to hinder the progression of traffic.</p><p>And this also is a changing world. It never stands still however much we might like it to at times. Thus the laws that govern us must also always be up for review by those appointed with wisdom and the confidence of the people. Unfortunately, the Vatican seems not to understand this simple point, and its total stubbornness on a number of subjects, even to the point often of expressing a dismissive and arrogant attitude towards the young particularly, will inevitably mean that the Church loses all credibility and has no influence over anyone but a tiny minority. There is nothing wrong with that per se, but then it loses the right to call itself a universal religion. It is no longer Catholic. Just the Church of Rome.</p><p>I am happy to hear that you are a cute girl who frequents Confession. I think W Oddie was also very happy to hear this. And I wish you well in your faith.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RJ</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1470</link> <dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:00:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1470</guid> <description>Thanks for the background. Obviously, expressing &quot;that love ...in a ...sexual relationship&quot; is not compatible with the Caucus&#039; claim to be a Catholic entity. If homosexuality is a disorder (for which compassion is appropriate), &#039;enjoying and honouring it as a way of expressing and growing in love&#039; is also problematic.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the background. Obviously, expressing &#8220;that love &#8230;in a &#8230;sexual relationship&#8221; is not compatible with the Caucus&#39; claim to be a Catholic entity. If homosexuality is a disorder (for which compassion is appropriate), &#39;enjoying and honouring it as a way of expressing and growing in love&#39; is also problematic.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RJ</title><link>http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/07/16/the-scandal-of-the-soho-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-1471</link> <dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:59:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/?p=3102#comment-1471</guid> <description>Interesting interpretation, though he doesn&#039;t say that it was only a matter of inhospitality. I mean: it&#039;s not a restrictive interpretation by Jesus. It could still mean: &#039;that rejection of the Gospel would be a greater crime than the heinous sin of Sodom&#039;, however such a sin was interpreted.&lt;br&gt;When it comes to interpretation, I would have thought that the latest is not necessarily the best. We have to take into account the tradition, e.g. the Fathers. Continuity would be a criterion of authenticity. Then there is the fact that a magisterial teaching is more authoritative than the opinions of theologians.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting interpretation, though he doesn&#39;t say that it was only a matter of inhospitality. I mean: it&#39;s not a restrictive interpretation by Jesus. It could still mean: &#39;that rejection of the Gospel would be a greater crime than the heinous sin of Sodom&#39;, however such a sin was interpreted.<br
/>When it comes to interpretation, I would have thought that the latest is not necessarily the best. We have to take into account the tradition, e.g. the Fathers. Continuity would be a criterion of authenticity. Then there is the fact that a magisterial teaching is more authoritative than the opinions of theologians.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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