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Distressed by the atheist onslaught? Get a grip of yourself

This is how things are meant to be: get used to it

By on Wednesday, 8 September 2010

Distressed by the atheist onslaught? Get a grip of yourself

When Cardinal Hume died, it was generally observed, in obituaries and other assessments of his achievements, that he had “normalised” Catholicism, removed the lingering hostility towards the Church still felt at the beginning of his time in Westminster. The Queen spoke of him approvingly as “my cardinal”. All seemed peaceful and unthreatening; we had finally settled in.

Some of us were not so sure; I, for one, felt that this “normalised” Catholicism had become acceptable because we were now thought to be harmless. I was not sure that this was such a good thing. It would be healthy, I thought, to have to face a little opposition: at least it would mean that we were taken seriously.

One should always, the old saw goes, be careful what one wishes for; for one’s wish might be granted. What we were experiencing was the lull before the storm. The present wave of hostility directed towards the Pope and the Church may be utterly unreasonable; but its basis is a rejection of everything we stand for: and it is a rejection from which our culture had never really withdrawn.

It may all be unpleasant, even distressing; but difficult though it may be to realise it now, this present hostility is to be welcomed: it means that we are beginning once more to count for something.

The atheists’ utter loathing, all the same, is at times a little frightening in its sheer vicious irrationality. These people are in the grip of a barely restrained hysteria. Take the current issue of the New Humanist, subtitle: “Ideas for godless people”; this issue gives a good idea of what it must be like being godless, and at least it makes you grateful not to be godless yourself. “If you were invited to address Benedict XVI during his UK visit,” the New Humanist introduces its special issue, “what would you say to him? Richard Dawkins, Philip Pullman, Claire Rayner, Ben Goldacre and many more take part in our Pope quiz.”

Claire Rayner’s offering gives a good idea of the tone and the rational level at which these contributions are conducted: “I have no language with which to adequately describe Joseph Alois Ratzinger, AKA the Pope. In all my years as a campaigner I have never felt such animus against any individual as I do against this creature. His views are so disgusting, so repellent and so hugely damaging to the rest of us, that the only thing to do is to get rid of him.” (What that means is not explained).

This is all horrible for anyone who regards Pope Benedict with the admiration and love most Catholics feel for him; and I find myself almost wishing that the decision had been taken to beatify Cardinal Newman in St Peter’s Square and not a muddy field, and for the Pope to be spared this dreadful business of a state visit.

But things are as they should be. As I remarked in my last post, nobody said that being a Catholic was easy. And when the Church is being faithful to her mission, this is how the world will regard her. Oh, and this has nothing whatever to do with child abuse; our enemies know that the evidence is that we are no worse than representative of society as a whole (shameful enough though that is) – see my previous post.

When things get rough, as they will, first say a quick prayer for the Holy Father, then say to yourself the magic words “Luke 6: 22”; or, if you have time, the whole verse: “Blessed are you, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.” You might add (verse 26): “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! For so did their fathers to the false prophets.”

That’s the deal. Get used to it.

  • Shaundenney

    Yeah, I saw that too. Boggles the mind, doesn't it 8-/

  • Bwaj

    Well there should be as I don't believe athiests have rights. Equally a lot of individuals got together through Twitter and attacked Jan Moir for her article on Stephen Gately (may God forgive his sins and his journey through Purgatory be quick if he repented).

  • Bwaj

    On the contrary Jesus did not 'allegedly' say – He definitely said those things; ii). Yes you have no choice but to obey God's will – if you refuse to then you will have to explain yourself to Him after death because He is God the Word incarnate.

  • Bwaj

    By the way if sex with condoms is safe – specifically gay sex – why is it even individuals using them can not be blood donors because of the risk of HIV?

  • Bwaj

    Nowhere does the Church say a person can not report a matter to the Police.

  • Bwaj

    On the contrary – how many cases of abuse by non-Catholics are actually reported to the Police or lead to prosecutions? Precious few. In the USA teachers abuse school students but nothing is done. Why don't you read 'THE FIGHT FOR THE FAMILY: THE ADULTS BEHIND CHILDREN'S RIGHTS' by Lynette Burrows then tell me there wasn't a cover-up at childrens homes for decades in Islington and North Wales. How many prosecutions should there have been because of these cases? But there wasn't.

  • Bwaj

    No – on the contrary. Research your facts instead of listening to the Devil's media.

  • Bwaj

    Who do you think you are condemning an innocent person?

  • Bwaj

    No it did not – there was no 'globbal cover up' unlike conspiracies covering up secular child abuse.

  • Bwaj

    It was not church policy.

  • Bwaj

    Only one thing – there was no global cover-up.

  • Bwaj

    There was no cover up globally and you know it.

  • Bwaj

    No I am not a case. I suggest you read 'HOPE OF THE WICKED: THE MASTERPLAN TO RULE THE WORLD'.

  • Bwaj

    Wrong – Jesus Christ is God the Word incarnate (St. Jn:1.1,14) Who said '”I am the Way, the Truth and the Life”' (St. Jn:14.6). He also said '”whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved”' (St. Mk:16.16). Wrong – the Bible comes from Our Lord (Gal:1.11-12) Who tells us no-one can alter His teachings to win favour with men (Gal:1.6-10). Our Saviour promotes celibacy (St. Mtt:19.12). He also tells us marriage is between a man and a woman (St. Mk:10.6-9) and homosexual acts (unrepented) lead to Hell (1 Cor:6.9-10). There is no such thing as liberal Catholicism. Liberal Catholicism is heresy.
    You are choosing to reject Our Saviour's commands to build a counterfeit form of Catholicism.

  • Bwaj

    With respect Daz – why do you choose to concentrate solely on the 1%-2% who have not kept up their vow of celibacy instead of the rest (in the majority) who have? The reason the secular world concentrates on the 1%-2% is because they have want to deceive people into believing that no human can survive without having sex.

  • Bwaj

    I agree with you there – but my question is why is it when IT does happen and in higher numbers – does the secular media only mention it when it concerns the Catholic Church? It is try to silence her moral authority. Yes priests have abused children and teenagers, yes it is wrong but there is a difference between condemning the actions of a few and say the Church therefore can not teach the Gospel. Our Lord never said the Church would not have scandals (St. Mk:10) but '”woe to those by which it comes”'. The John Jay Study in the USA reported the abuse of minors and its study covered a 50 year period, the same can be said of the Irish reports which covered 100 years but how much abuse would be uncovered if we did a study of every school and children's home (including state ones) in the UK going back 100 years and also included (as the Irish report) physical chastisement at a time when every school used corporal punishment? The Catholic Church is holy – her members know we are not. Only Protestants claim they can not sin – otherwise they would recognize the need for the sacrament of Confession which Christ gave to the Church.

  • Bwaj

    Name them

  • Bwaj

    Wrong – secular law is not above God's law. We obey God not men (Acts:5.29). On the Last Day those in secular government who oppose God's laws will be eternally burned.

  • Bwaj

    Alleged plots invented by Protestants just like the Gunpowder Plot was a Protestant calumny.

  • Bwaj

    What would an Irish man be doing attacking the Catholic Church unless he's in the Orange Order?

  • Bwaj

    Hitler was not a Catholic. He founded his own Church which lots of Protestant Churches joined – however, the Catholic Church did not and contrary to your nonsense many Catholics both clergy, religious and laity were killed by the Nazis.

  • Bwaj

    In fact research has shown Hitler was half-Jewish and half-African. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/25/hitler-jewish-dna-tests-s_n_693568.html

  • http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thedixieflatline/ Daz

    Hiya Bubba! I thought this “conversation” was over.

    Your “point” would be laughable, if it wasn't the cause of so much suffering. I pity you in your hate-filled, small minded world.

    Toodle-pip, old chap.

  • Bwaj

    Wrong

  • http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thedixieflatline/ Daz

    Geoffrey Robertson QC is a defence lawyer. That's his job.

    That issue of Oz was rightly condemned, but it's worth remembering that it was compiled **by** schoolchildren. Puts a slightly different slant on things, don't it.

  • http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thedixieflatline/ Daz

    “I don't believe athiests have rights”

    I REALISE THAT TYPING IN CAPS IS BAD FORM, BUT I WOULD LIKE THIS TO STAND OUT SO THAT DR ODDIE CAN SEE THE SORT OF PERSON WHO DEFENDS HIS VIEWS.

    I hope this makes you feel proud, Dr Oddie.

  • http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thedixieflatline/ Daz

    Its not **safe,** it's statistically **safer.** The best we can hope for, in this imperfect world.

  • http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thedixieflatline/ Daz

    One's dead by suicide and the other has never committed a crime since, through his own determination to master his own urges. Both are the parents of friends. To say more would be a breech of trust.

  • http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thedixieflatline/ Daz

    And I suppose the French Catholic persecution of the Protestant Huguenots was also the fault of the Protestants? Would you say that the papally-approved Spanish armada was a Protestant lie?

    You fundies do so love to twist history to your own liking.

  • http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thedixieflatline/ Daz

    It's reaching new heights. Bwaj is back. It's like Ken Ham with rosaries.

  • Copyleft

    I don't know, Bwaj; how many times do you have to repeat a lie to make it the truth?

    The Catholic Church has, in fact, sheltered child molestors by failing to turn them over to the authorities and insteadly quietly transferring them to new locations. You may not like the fact, but denying it won't change anything.

  • Copyleft

    Bwaj, again you're provably wrong on issues of basic fact. “Only gay sex spreads AIDS” is simply untrue, as a quick review of the World Health Organization reports shows quite clearly.

    Your fanciful notion that the Church is being held accountable for its crimes because people are angry at its homophobia is amusing. Both statements are true, but there is no correlation. Yes, the Church's hostility to gays is wrong and deserves condemnation; but so is the Church's decision to hide their own child molestors behind a smokescreen and evade both moral and civil justice.

    It's the CHURCH that's in its last days, not the world. And good riddance to it.

  • catholic woman

    A: “Firstly Britain is a multicultural society with many different beliefs ..”
    Yes, that's true.

    Q: “…and therefore all beliefs should be respected both relligious and non-religious.”
    Now how did we get from A to Q exactly?

    What has “birth control” got to do with HIV? It's the Popes forbade condoms to married monogamous catholics minding their business long before we knew about HIV and how it is spread. Now the church had to tie itself up in irrational and vindictive (towards poor populations such as in AIDS afflicted Africa) knots in order to maintain their position vis a vis married (non-celibate) catholics and continue to ban condoms.

    Anyone who moans about “respect” for “all” beliefs has a shrewd idea his own are untenable!

    And where does it say that we “should” respect “all” beleifs”.

  • http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thedixieflatline/ Daz

    Similes, metaphors and analogies will be wasted on this one, I fear.

    http://xkcd.com/762/

  • catholic woman

    Check out Oddie's article in the current Catholic Herald about Cardinal Sodano and how he protected the Right Reverend Maciel for wads of cash.

  • Copyleft

    Saying pedophilia can be cured is not quite the same as pretending the crime never occurred, Bwaj; you're throwing around enough red herrings to keep a whole tribe of seals happy, but it's just not working.

    The Church KNEW A CRIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED, period. They did NOT turn the criminals over to the authorities, for either punishment OR treatment. You can't shift the blame onto the psychiatrists if the molestors were never even sent for treatment in the first place!

  • http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/thedixieflatline/ Daz

    I'd personally be quaking in by boots if I had you and Bwaj defending my views.

  • Copyleft

    No doubt the Church investigated itself very thoroughly and objectively and found no evidence that they were in any way responsible for the crimes committed under their auspices. After all, they're infallible!

    /sarcasm

  • catholic woman

    And why was the Holy Father, the Infallible head of the Church, the Mystical Body of Christ according to you (rather than a mad-made institution drunk with power and politics) not consulting his own infallible mind or praying to God for wisdom rather than consorting with “psychologists and Psychiatrists” ??

  • catholic woman

    If you are right then that is proof that the Church and the Popes are wrong and dangerously fallible the vast majority of the time. That should make you question your trust in any and every Pope and anything and everything he says before you swallow it whole..

  • Copyleft

    Your demonstrated ignorance continues to give Catholicism a bad name, Bwaj. In this you are following in Dr. Oddity's faltering footsteps.