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‘Gay and atheist’ David Starkey is defending Christian conscience more clearly than our bishops

On Question Time last week he pointed to a ‘new tyranny’ of liberal morality

By on Thursday, 10 March 2011

Starkey says he is opposed to the fining of Christian B&B owners who refused two men a double bedroom (Photo: PA)

Starkey says he is opposed to the fining of Christian B&B owners who refused two men a double bedroom (Photo: PA)

Having blogged about the case of the Christian couple running a B&B in Cornwall, who were taken to court and fined for refusing to allow two men to share a double bedroom, I was startled to discover that they – and presumably other Christians in similar situations – now have an unlikely champion: Dr David Starkey. I have just come across a clip of Dr Starkey’s statement on BBC1’s Question Time last week. In it the historian, who describes himself as “atheist and gay”, speaks out against what he calls a “new tyranny”, a liberal morality which is “every bit as oppressive as the old”.

He makes it clear he is opposed to the fine imposed on the couple, saying: “The way to do that is not to ban them, not to fine them. It is for them simply to put up what seems to me to be a quite proper notice in a small privately-run hotel which says we are Christians and this is what we believe.” Otherwise, Starkey told the hushed TV audience, “We are producing a new tyranny.”

Should I be so surprised at Starkey’s stance? When he used to be on the Moral Maze he always demonstrated that he was his own man. When the morality of separating the conjoined twins, Rosie and Gracie Attard, was debated in 2001, and it became clear that the surgical intervention to separate them would mean the deliberate killing of one of the girls in order to save the life of the other, Starkey opposed the surgery.

As intriguing as his championing the right of Christians to follow their conscience was Dr Starkey’s final remark on Question Time: he said his mother had been a devout Christian and that it was “her hatred and opposition to homosexuality that made me what I am”. As he concluded that “being nice and sweet about gays isn’t wholly a good thing”, I don’t think he meant that his mother was the cause of his homosexuality; I interpret it as meaning that his mother’s strong views had shaped her son’s similar determination to speak out strongly on what he believed – especially in instances of bullying and oppression – and not to kow-tow to heavy-handed political correctness.

Others may have different interpretations. At any rate, it is salutary to note that the clearest objection to the legal judgment against the B&B couple has come not from our Catholic bishops (as far as I know) but from a self-confessed atheist and homosexual. Thank you, Dr Starkey.

  • Libertarian

    > “The way to do that is not to ban them, not to fine them. It is for them simply to put up what seems to me to be a quite proper notice in a small privately-run hotel which says we are Christians and this is what we believe.”

    Fine, as long as it would also be permitted for other hotel-owners to put up a notice saying “no blacks” or “no Irish” or “no Jews” or “no Catholics”.

  • Ratbag

    It’s certainly becoming a tyrany here that the rights of Christians are being trodden on by, what is seen as a society promoting blatant spite, ignorance and a misguided definition of “diversity” which has divided more than divided in many ways…

    If bishops and priests appeared on the Question Time panel wearing their ecclesiastic attire and saying everything word for word what Dr Starkey has said – expect patronising smirks from panel members and a little heat turned up on the discussion.

    Dr Starkey can say what he has said because he is gay and atheist.

    The silent reaction to a view he expressed (which is virtually identical to what our bishops and priests know and are concerned about and should be making efforts to express in the public sphere) suggest that there was an expectation that he would blast the militant atheist/gay foghorn.

    As Dr Starkey is his own man, he didn’t – which, I guess, did not go down with some ‘militants’ – but does he care? Not a jot!

    And neither should we.

  • Stewart Griffin

    As a Catholic with an Irish mother I would like that. Better to know who not to give my business.

  • Anonymous

    ‘militant atheist/gay foghorn’

    Talk sense man. Stop with the ‘militant homosexuals’ line its pathetic. If you were born of an alternate sexual orientation you could hardly call it militant to want to get fair and equal treatment by society? Also be more careful with your terms please – there are many more gay Christians than you would want to acknowledge.

    The way you phrase it makes it seem as if gay = atheist, as if it was some kind of like minded club, rather than the sexual orientation they were born with. If that were truly the case the Church of England would have hardly felt the need to allow gay priests to serve.

    It is shocking that the Church’s official position is still that homosexuals are ‘disordered’. Can you imagine being straight (I am presuming you are), and being told that your feelings for a woman are profoundly disordered??

  • http://twitter.com/dove600 Daniel

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OTCKAYXC6V65WVJUPZFYCCUEUU Lee

    Being of color is totally different to being of sexual ‘orientation’

  • Bwaj

    Rubbish.
    Homosexual acts are a sin and God does not allow same-sex partnerships nor same-sex marriages. These come from the Devil. For the record gay rights are not even mentioned in the ‘Human Rights Act’.

  • Bwaj

    But religious rights are.

  • Bwaj

    People are not born homosexual – it comes from the original sin.

  • andrew

    Who cares what sexual orientation other people are? Only small minded bigots who use this issue as a vehicle to express their inherent nastiness and vindictiveness. If it wasn’t gays it would be fat people, thin people, muslims, atheists, anyone who doesn’t conform to their narrow world view. If you think being gay is a sin- then pray for gay people and forgive them! And the legislation you presumably find as “political correctness gone mad” (which incidently is the mantra of the moronic bigot the world over) is there to protect vulnerable minorities to live in peace free from persecution. For a society to go any other way allows the bigots to express their hatred and it isn’t long before that hatred becomes so legitamised that the more stupid bigots resort to lynchings. Look how many “Christians” fought tooth and nail to deny black people human rights in the States only 40+ years ago. There really are much bigger issues Christians should be getting worked up about. Capitalism? The arms trade? Genocide in Africa?

  • catholic state

    Funny then isn’t it ……that so many black people are Christians! And Capitalism is a natural system of commerce. You can’t extinguish it cos there’s nothing better to put in its place.

    And how about the genocide of unborn babies perpetrated by the great and the good of the land?! But I guess they don’t count in your warped scheme!

  • catholic state

    Funny then isn’t it ……that so many black people are Christians! And Capitalism is a natural system of commerce. You can’t extinguish it cos there’s nothing better to put in its place.

    And how about the genocide of unborn babies perpetrated by the great and the good of the land?! But I guess they don’t count in your warped scheme!

  • Anonymous

    Who was talking about the human-rights act? I certainly was not. I am talking irrespective of laws that may or may not enforce morality. I am talking ethics – not legisaltion.

    Oh, no is the ‘devil’ going to get you if you don’t spite those filthy homosexuals? Ah the devil, help, help.
    How weak, you really make me laugh.

  • Anonymous

    Two weeks ago we had the homily about how often you can not see the difference between those in society who are secular and those that go to church because, even the non church goers conduct acts of kindness and charity. Now, I am only talking about the specific point in the article but, in this case we can see that David Starkey is sticking up publicly for christians when many of our Bishops are not.

    It is obvious that 400 years after the reformation our clergy are still scared to come out of the bunker. I have tried to get a satisfactory answer to the following question to no avail.

    Does the reformation still have such an hold over our clergy that they still feel that they can not come out of the bunker and start being publicly outspoken again?

    Will somebody please answer this question for me because, from what I can see there are no longer any excuses!

  • Anonymous

    ‘because it was adam and eve, not adam and steve’ ha ha

  • ms catholic state

    Don’t forget being black or Irish etc is not a sin……but homosexual activity is!

  • Anonymous

    Regardless, if you are going to reply to me at least have the decency to try and answer the question I pose rather than going off on a unrelated idea.

    Again, – Can you imagine being straight (I am presuming you are), and being told that your feelings for a woman are profoundly disordered?

  • M.Burns

    Re: “If you were born of an alternate sexual orientation…. the sexual orientation they were born with…”

    The Human Genome Project is finished: there is no ‘gay’ gene. The biological ‘explanation’ was promoted without scientific evidence to back it up.

    There is, however, a large body of scientific research pointing to “a convergence of developmental, emotional, psychological, and social factors,” which contribute to same-sex attraction (SSA). If we truly love those who have SSA, then we must look at and accept the truth about what it really is and its cause. This is not about politics or political correctness, it’s about love – loving someone in truth.

    You might want to read a short introduction on the research findings as a first step in exploring the body of research on this topic. There’s a free PDF at the Catholic Medical Association called “Homosexuality & Hope” at http://www.cathmed.org/issues_resources/publications/position_papers/homosexuality_and_hope/.

    Re: “Can you imagine being straight … and being told that your feelings for [someone of the opposite sex] are profoundly disordered?”

    Please see my answer to your question below.

  • M.Burns

    Re: “Can you imagine being straight … and being told that your feelings for [someone of the opposite sex] are profoundly disordered?”

    This is an irrelevant question and perhaps stems from same-sex attraction (SSA) having been unscientifically promoted as ‘biologically-based.’ (As stated in my reply above, the Human Genome Project is ended: there is no ‘gay’ gene. There is, however, a large body of scientific research pointing to “a convergence of developmental, emotional, psychological, and social factors,” which contribute to SSA.)

    Would it, however, be fair to say you are asking: “How would you feel if you were told that something you identified with as being who you ARE was said to be disordered (i.e., unhealthy)?” That is a different question altogether.

  • Anonymous

    It was not specifically christians, as a group that respessed the blacks. It was white people, of whom a majority of at the time (it is 86% today) were Christian, committed the lynching and the violence – or where complicit in it. White Christians fought for slavery and against the civil-rights movement, this fact simply cannot be denied.

    In saying ‘Funny then isn’t it..’ and so forth you give the impression that you believe the entire repression of Blacks was a fabrication or sham. This shows either extreme naivety, ingnorance or racism.

    As far as capitalism is concerned, what makes the ‘natural system of commerce’ (whatever that is), the most moral system? What is ‘natural’ does not equate to what is moral – and why should it? look at the violence and pain in the natural world and tell me that is moral. Human war, has appeared throughout the existance of mankind – it is natural, but not moral.

    And, it’s not just me that thinks so, quoting Pope John Paul II, ‘The state has a positive moral role to play as no society will achieve a just and equitable distribution of resources with a totally free market’
    laizze Faire capitalism, was rejected by the pope as not being a fair system. Capitalism can only hope to be fair, alongside intervention from the state.

    Andrew did not inlcude abortion in his list of more importnant topics (than homosexuality) for the Church to be interested in. We do not know his feelings on the issue, he might well feel the same way as you.
    However, simply because he does not include what is most formost in YOUR brain does not mean that his arguement – that the arms trade, the losers of capitalism (the poor) and the Genocide of millions in African states are any less valid as issues the Church should be more concerned about.

  • ms catholic state

    I didn’t give any impression at all…….it is all in your mind. Because capitalism is natural….it is moral. Of course it must not exceed the moral limits in it operation.

    Anger is natural so is not a sin…..but to take it further into bullying, violence, killing and unlawful war is.

    Abortion is the most serious sin today……it is totally unjust and evil. So not to mention it is odd. There is no genocide in Africa…..there are some local wars…but actually Africa is doing quite well. It has 6 of the top 12 fastest developing economies in the world. No 1 is Ghana….beating even China.

  • The Moz

    To Western Christendom, if it still exists: “Please don’t put your life in the hands, of a rock’n'roll band…they’ll throw it all away…”

  • The Moz

    To Western Christendom, if it has anything left: “Please don’t put your life in the hands…of a rock’n'roll band…they’ll throw it all away…”

  • Kikimarooni

    We all know you can use passages from the bible to argue pretty much every which way you want on this matter. We have also come to terms with the fact that the bible was written by humans – fallable humans – and interpreted many times. Over the years we have agreed that the bible’s take on some subjects has to be seen as human error, a misreading of the original intent – for example the treatment and status of women.

    The current scientific argument actually reads that a convergence of social, developmental AND hereditory factors are at play. Genetics hasn’t been ruled out entirely, its just not as simple as a gay on/off switch – more like a predisposition. How can we see that as anything other than glorious proof that we are ALL His children and that as He created us, flawed and imperfect, we are still His children and all worthy of His love and inclusion in His Church.

    Clinging to outmoded ways of thinking under the pretence of religious fervor is the cause of so much of the world’s conflict.Shouldn’t we show that we are better than that?

    In reference to the two B&B owners, they were offering a service. Some people believe in religions or idiologies that exclude others of different ethnicities, would it be OK for them to refuse to serve black people because it was against their beliefs? Or a moslim family who insisted females wore the hijab in male company? If they felt they couldn’t offer service to the whole of the public, then maybe this wasn’t the right industry for them to be in. Plus their argument that they just wanted married couples doesn’t hold water, they had previously catered to several unmarried straight couples with no complaints.

  • Kikimarooni

    um – you make no sense what so ever, were you trying to disagree?
    It is a cold hard FACT that christian americans fought long and hard against the integration policies. And now the same fight is being waged againt homosexuality. No doubt in 50 years time we’ll look back at this in the same light as the civil rights movement now – an obvious step that humanity HAD to take. And Andrew – Well said sir!

  • ms catholic state

    Well they weren’t practising Christians then were they?! And homosexuality can never be the equal of heterosexuality no matter how many judges pass laws to that effect! Homosexuals are already equal to heterosexuals. In 50 years time…..Islam will dominate. So stop dreaming about steps forward. Life doesn’t go like that!

  • Stewart Griffin

    Once people lose the ability to control what happens in even a small B&B belonging to them we have to face the fact that they have no control whatsoever. That is tyranny. That was David Starkey’s point.

  • Stewart Griffin

    From accusing your opponents of using this issue to express their inherent nastiness:
    “use this issue as a vehicle to express their inherent nastiness and vindictiveness”

    To calling them moronic bigots:
    “the legislation you presumably find as “political correctness gone mad” (which incidently is the mantra of the moronic bigot ”

    In less than half a paragraph.

    “There really are much bigger issues Christians should be getting worked up about”
    Yet, you find the time, when your not saving the world, to comment on it. Are we to assume that had the judgement gone the other way you would quietly accept it?

    “Capitalism? The arms trade? Genocide in Africa?”
    Concern for the local does not preclude concern for the global. What is more, the principle of subsidiarity, which is enshrined in EU law and Church social teaching, necessitates that we get involved in regional matters for otherwise the principle could not be put into action.

  • Ratbag

    I live in a UK city which has a large gay population – you could call it the Gay capital of England – and you have the neck to say that I’m pathetic and I don’t know what I’m talking about???? It’s high time YOU started talking sense and taking your head out of your personal sub-basement crevice!

    ‘… the Church of England would have hardly felt the need to allow gay priests to serve.” Sheesh!!!! Why do you think vicars from the Church of England are knocking on the door of the Vatican? Why did the Holy Father feel that these C of E bishops and vicars need to be accommodated into the Roman Catholic Church i.e. The Ordinariate? It’s not just over the issue of women priests – I think you know the other reason, don’t you???

    Nobody’s ‘born’ gay. I saw a news item saying that certain children are ‘born’ criminals. It’s what you do about it, how you handle it, how you get over it, etc.

    When – and after – Roman Catholics were emancipated in the early 19th Century, Catholics continued to be discriminated against, called names and physically and verbally abused. Nobody in Parliament drew up any legislation to make it an offence to verbally and physically abuse Catholics, did they? We are made of tougher stuff. We have handled these things – and a great deal worse – in the past and still do. Shahbaz Bhatti and numerous others have been maimed and murdered in the world for their faith.

    A Christian couple who are denied the right to bring up foster children because they cannot say that what is implicitly wrong is right? Christian B&B owners who do the same are fined? If this isn’t gay militancy through the legal process, I don’t know what is! The so-called Equality Act is so flawed, you wouldn’t sell it in an outlet shop!

    The rabid opposition to the Holy Father’s visit last year by the media, atheist rentamob and some members of the ‘militant’ gay community (i.e. Peter Tatchell) ‘weren’t singing anymore’ because the Holy Father was warmly welcomed and made a deep, strong, beautiful and gentle impression on the people of the UK. The media soon changed their tune…

    In the USA, there have been militant gays who’ve disrupted Holy Mass, blaspheme the Church and verbally abuse bishops. How long before they start doing the same thing here???

    One of my friends is a gay Catholic, another is bi-sexual, actually. They, like David Starkey, live their lives and get on. They are in the majority. I am doing what the Catechism says and that is treat them with sensitivity. I do that with all people…however…

    I DO DRAW THE LINE at attacks on MY rights to express anger and anxiety over my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who would like to foster children, adopt children and bring them up in the faith according to Christ and His Church’s teachings without their faith being compromised or faced with court.

    You, paulsays, know absoloutely ROCK ALL about me!

  • Ratbag

    catholic state, if Islam ends up dominating… homosexuals would not stand a chance no more than they do in Islamic states today.

    Then, they’ll know the REAL meaning of descrimination, persecution, prejudice and ‘rights’.

    We, as Catholics/Christians, are learning that now… the hard way!

  • Anonymous

    So are you suggesting that people running a B&B should be able to refuse accomodation to blacks or jews?

  • Anonymous

    So are you suggesting that people running a B&B should be able to refuse accomodation to blacks or jews?

  • Anonymous

    In budget hotels up and down France, plumbers, carpenters, electricians freezer engineers sleep 2 or three men to a room when they work away from home to save money. No one gives it a second thought. I assume that a tiny minority of them are gay as in the population at large. It is fornication that the church objects to, not to people and their nature; it does not demand some outrageous questionnaire as to whether any two people are going to indulge in practices of which the hotelier or God disapproves. Omnia praesumuntur rite esse acta. The hoteliers may be loosely described as christians: I am grateful that they do not purport to be catholics like so many of the more bigoted of your commentators:

  • Anonymous

    You know, I don’t know where to start..

  • Aging Papist

    A new petition for the Prayer of the Faithful, “From the Christians oh Lord deliver us.”

  • Peachesgeldorf

    The word ‘disordered’ is used in the context that homosexuality is not within the boundaries of those prescribed by Natural Law.

  • Peachesgeldorf

    As Catholics, we need to acccept gays as they are without judgement, anger and spite. Gays are called to carry their cross and resist their same-sex attractions. In fact they are called to celibacy, a very heavy cross indeed.
    In turn, we need to pray for them and support them lovingly in their journey. By the way, there are (and were) gays that have been( and are) holy, very close to God, and who have left a an unimaginatively beautiful legacy of faith and inspiration for us in their writings and by their examples of faith.

  • Peachesgeldorf

    I suggest you read John Paul’s ‘Theology of the Body’. An amazing work which explains the Church’s understanding of God’s intention of human sexuality. The main reason for marriage is the union of the spouses and the creation of new life. The sexual act is one in which God is included for just this purpose. It is clear, thought-provoking.
    God does not make mistakes, everyone comes from HIm, gay or staight. Straight people are called to fidility and chastity, and to be open to new life, and as Christians, the mainstream order of society bares a very sad resemblance to the way we are supposed to live in the Light of God.
    Yes, there is a spiritual dimention to this, a very real one, and yes, satan comes disguised in many costumes that lure us waywood creatures away from God’s intentions through the use of pornography, for example.
    Sex is about unity, fidelity, the creation of new life, the intimacy between a man and a woman through the sexual act. Sex is just not only about giving and receiving pleasure, their is a spiritual dimention to it.
    Read the book.

  • Peachesgeldorf

    Perhaps they need to open their establishement to Christian folk only?

  • Anonymous

    With regard to the non sequitur of your post, there is, to say the least, something seriously solipsistic and immature about an understanding of sexuality that is prepared to compare it randomly with ethnicity and faith.

  • Anonymous

    ‘These come from the devil’?
    So, the ‘devil’ went and told members of the Labour cabinet that it would be a good idea to make civil partnerships legal. The devil went to the State of Oregon to tell legislators there that legalizing gay marriage would be a good idea?

    No, the truth is people just have different opinions to your own. They may be correct or incorrect judgments, but they have been made with societies best intentions in mind and with the support of the majority of the population.

  • Ratbag

    Like I say, paulsays – thank God and all that is holy you STILL know ROCK ALL about me!

    And, nope – I don’t live in Brighton. Too stony for my toes! I have been around my city of abode for a hell of a lot longer than the ‘gay’ culture which has grown over the years.

    No more clues, Magic Professor paulsays! You won’t even get tonight’s star prize of a ticket to last year’s World Cup for getting it … right or wrong!

  • marie

    Amen! That is the Catholic Church’s loving teaching in a nutshell.

  • Ratbag

    I agree with you, Peachesgeldorf. This is what the Catechism teaches us.

    I was told that there is a Catholic support group for gays and lesbians who carry this cross every day. The meetings they attend help them maintain the strength for bearing this cross. What is so tragic, annoying and sad is that members have to learn about meetings by word of mouth instead of via a notice boards. Why? It’s because their meetings kept being disrupted by those ‘bullies’ who want them to be sexually active, go against what their faith teaches and ‘come out of their closets’ etc. etc. etc.

    When I heard about this, it made – and still makes – me wonder exactly who is shoving whose opinions down our throats and, for that matter, their throats?

    Well, the next time it is said that the RC Church is ‘lecturing’ and shoving opinions down the gullet like French geese for foie gras, I’ll laugh… up my sleeve!

    I paraphrase what comedian Frankie Howerd said about his homosexuality: ‘if only there was a pill to make this go away’. I’m pretty certain many men and women today feel the same way. They do not conform nor want to conform to the media-saturated stereotypes.

    Another person told me that ‘gay culture is almost always to do with sex’.

    This person has got it spot on.

  • pat21

    That’s because sexual feelings for the opposite sex AREN’T disordered. Read:- http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html Also, in case you don’t like what you hear from the Holy See and are inclined to dismiss it, look what has been written by a homosexual – The Truth About the Homosexual Rights Movement by Ronald G Lee – an excellent piece:- http://www.christianorder.com/features.html There are other excellent articles regarding homosexuality in the last few issues of Christian Order. Read them. Try and effectively dispute them. You won’t be able to.

  • Julie

    The vatican seems to care very deeply Andrew. So much so, that homosexuals who do not subscribe to the Christian belief system & wish to live their lives in faith, love & fidelity, one to the other; are classified as residing within a “deplorable distortion of what should be a communion of love and life between a man and a woman”. Forgive me for not finding this a beautiful & sublime notion. Which begs the question, from where do the “moronic bigots” recieve their direction?
    (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/family/documents/rc_pc_family_doc_20001109_de-facto-unions_en.html. “…Making homosexual relations equivalent to marriage is much more grave…
    “…Marriage cannot be reduced to a condition similar to that of a homosexual relationship: this is contrary to common sense….Lastly, ‘de facto unions’ between homosexuals are a deplorable distortion of what should be a communion of love and life between a man and a woman in a reciprocal gift open to life”.
    From where exactly do the moronic bigots recieve their direction? An equally hateful legacy on the subject was left to us via Pope John Paul II.

  • Julie

    I agreed with Andrew, although I’m not sure the phrase “moronic bigots” is particularly helpful.
    Do you not find anything nasty & vindictive within Vatican statements on homosexual unions?
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/family/documents/rc_pc_family_doc_20001109_de-facto-unions_en.html
    “…Making homosexual relations equivalent to marriage is much more grave…”
    “…Lastly, ‘de facto unions’ between homosexuals are a deplorable distortion of what should be a communion of love and life between a man and a woman in a reciprocal gift open to life…”.
    “Deplorable?” How is this language in any way compassionate? Christianity is a belief SYSTEM. Not everyone subscribes to it, & sometimes I’m not at all surprised.

  • Dio

    no, I do NOT find it nasty OR vindictive. It´s TRUE. As was posted above – homosexual orientation is not in itself sinful – to ACT on it is. Marriage is and always has been between man and woman, and homosexual “unions” can never be marriages, however hard they try. I remember not so long ago, middle of the 1990ies – gays themselves mocked and ridiculed the idea, btw…

  • M.Burns

    Kikimarooni,

    You are writing in reply to a religious argument where there was no religious argument. There was, however, a scientific argument. Your confusion of the facts only calls into question the credibility of your argument/reasoning.

  • Julie

    You seem very confident Dio & I’m sure those who have taught you also appear authoritative. Please don’t forget “gays themselves” are also subject to conditioning, as are the rest of us, & are equally as fallible as the individuals running your institution. I’m not trying to pretend I know what’s best for everyone, as I would be playing God. (Within Christianity, isn’t this a grave sin?) However, there is increasing evidence to support the idea that supression & repression of our natural impulses, can create far deeper problems; as is evidenced within your own Catholic institution, as well as that of the wider world. Legitimising & accepting same-sex marriage is a healthy & viable proposal. We musn’t surely, due to our inertia, fear & lack of knowledge; stand in the way of research & legislation, whose primary aim is to increase health & understanding whilst minimising suffering & the causes of conflict & mental ill-health. Such studies are also beneficial to the protection of religious expression, don’t forget.

    Please type homosexuality into http://www.humiliationstudies.org/publications/cases.php if you wish to educate yourself further on the subject.