Debate: Should Rupert Murdoch’s papal knighthood be rescinded?

There is one item about this government and some politicians and the royals and big business and the bankers and the police and the judiciary and the press that people do not seem to be aware of……. The thing that connects them all is the FREE MASONS.Each and every one of them is steeped in free masonry,all brothers under this vile cloak of secrecy.A point worth remembering during your musings.

You don’t like the politics of the Fox News cable network, yet you don’t say anything about his Fox cable network and movie-making company which produces things far, far worse than anything a pundit on Fox News might give you.  I think your priorities might be a little off kilter.

Hello again Martin,

Thank you for your kind words and
expression of good will toward me. Thanks be to God, I am feeling
considerably better today. I will begin by addressing your
concluding remark . . . and I quote:

“the other Gospel” the
Apostle was referring too was the early Gnostics. They were teaching
a different Gospel that denied the deity of Christ. That is
definitely not what the RCC teaches. “

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With that I take exception. I see no
mention of Gnostics in this passage. By the following
pronouncements, the RCC makes they do indeed proclaim “another
gospel”:

“The Church affirms that for
believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. ‘Sacramental
grace’ is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament.”

- Source:  R.C. Catechism Para 1129

And . . .

The Roman Catholic Church teaches as
dogma that justification is conferred through her sacraments and that it consists of
inner righteousness whereby a man, it is stated, becomes just within himself. The Church of Rome
condemns the biblical doctrine of justification by faith alone. This was done at the Council of Trent.   The  RCC not only upholds the teaching of the Council of Trent
but also declares that such Councils are infallible. The Council of Trent proclaims the
following curses:

“If anyone shall say that justifying
faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ’s sake, or
that it is this confidence alone by which we are justified: let him be anathema
[cursed].”

“If anyone shall say that by the said
sacraments of the New Law, grace is not conferred from the work which has been worked [ex
opere operato] but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices to obtain grace: let him be
anathema.”

- Source: #822, Canon 12 & #851 Canon 8

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Martin . . you have stated in a prior
comment that . . .

“So, the Church is defined by those
who are saved by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone, Baptised
into the death and resurrection of Christ and have received the Holy
Spirit. The people are born again.

That is what the RCC church believes in
its most basic creeds since the time of Christ.. . . .”

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Your church’s interpretation /
understanding of the “new birth” however, is not consistent with
the definition God provides in His own Word. “The people” are
not en masse “born again” This is a very personal matter and is
only known by those who have been brought under the influence of the
Holy Spirit, a vital work wrought in the inward man, namely when the
conscience . . the heart . . the will . . is brought under
conviction of sin which leads to repentance (a Godly sorrow over sin
(II Cor. 7:9) and culminates in a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ as
revealed in God’s Word who are brought by faith (the gift of God –
Eph. 2:8) to rest in the His finished work alone for the salvation of
their souls. The new birth is plainly set forth by Peter in his 1st
epistle, and elsewhere throughout Scripture. “Being born again,
not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God,
which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23)  Christ
Himself speaks of the necessity of being born again in the Word of
God as it is found in John 3:3-8. The “church” does not confer
the “new birth” . . God through the operation of His Holy Spirit
does. This is the plain teaching of Scripture
and that which the early church of the Apostolic era proclaimed as
Gospel Truth!

The veracity of God’s Word is known
only by those, who have come under the influence of the Holy Spirit
and have known for themselves its’ vital power to convict them of
their sin, bring them to repentance and impart faith to believe on
the Lord Jesus Christ to the saving of their souls.

The transformed lives of multitudes
who have felt and known the prickings of the conscience, and the
converting power of the Gospel in their own lives offer compelling
proof, and of this I can personally testify. When God by His Spirit
writes his word upon the fleshy tables of a sinner’s heart, so that
it leaves an indelible impression upon their souls. (Hebrews
8:10-11) Any vain thoughts that some entertain that  this Book was written by men will
give way to an implicit faith that it is in truth . . the very Word
of God!****“For
this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye
received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as
the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which
effectually worketh also in you that believe.”1 Thess. 2:13****In the
final analysis, a certain knowledge that the Bible is God’s Word
comes from the internal witness which is born of God himself to those
who read it. In other words . . the witness of the Word itself.

“If we
receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this
is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He
that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself;”

(1 John
5:9-10)********Thanks be to God .
. of these things I can speak experimentally!

This then is what it means then to be
“born again, not of corruptible seed, but
of incorruptible, by the Word of God which liveth and abideth
forever.” (1 Pet. 1:23)

As I have stated in a prior comment,
the following statement by “your church” is the height of
ecclesiastical tyranny and once again shows a complete contempt for
the Holy Bible, which nowhere tells us that a requirement and/or pre-requisite for our
salvation is to be “subject to the Roman Pontiff”.
***POPE
BONIFACE VIII (pope: 1294-1303) ***³We declare, affirm, and
define as a truth necessary for salvation that every human being is
subject to the Roman Pontiff[i.e., the Pope of Rome].´( 1302)

The Lord Jesus Christ alone is the head
of the ‘body of Christ´and the Christian Church, and not some
fallible human pretender to the throne!

As I have stated before on the vital
and solemn doctrine of salvation, “your church” contradicts the
Scriptures and offers more compelling evidence that “your church”
proclaims “another gospel”.

It is by faith alone (Eph. 2:8) in the perfect
obedience Christ rendered to God’s holy law in life and through His
substitutionary sacrifice at Calvary, where He offered Himself once for
all for the sins of His people* thereby making payment of the demands
of God’s holy law . . for the “wages of sin is death” (Rom.
6:23) . . . that sinners are justified before God. That is the work
Christ came to do, of which He declared “It is finished.”! (John
19:30)

God-given faith is not to
be understood as sundered from knowledge . . that is a saving
knowledge of Jesus Christ which can only be found in the Holy
Scriptures. “So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the
word of God.” (Romans 10:17) It entails believing on the Christ
of God that is is set forth in His Word and all that God has revealed about His Person and His Saving
Work  (1 John 5:10-12)

*”So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of
many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time
without sin unto salvation.” (Heb. 9:28)

“By the which will we are sanctified through
the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for
sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made
his footstool.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them
that are sanctified.” (Heb. 10:10, 12, 13, 14)

“But by the grace of God I am what I am” (I Cor. 15:10a) . . a Christian and a “new creature in Christ”  (II Cor. 5:17)

No problem Martin . . . my e-mail address is:  june.ralph@gmx.com

You are right that all in the Church should be equal but a knighthood should never be something to prioritize a person over others; all it ever should be is something to recognise the services of a person to the Church and to God in accordance to the commandment (“with all your soul, with all your heart and with all your mind”) and as such should have nothing to do with Murdoch. Knighthoods for those who truly serve the Church in a way that merits being noted (such as in founding missions or speaking out for persecuted Christians) do not seem to show inequality but simply a recognition of the fact of a person’s devotion and courage as a knighthood used to be.

To those following this discussion,
this will be my final post in connection with this article. I wish
to share some of my own thoughts as well as the thoughts of others
regarding God’s Word . . the Bible. I would encourage those
who have never applied themselves to a serious
reading/consideration/study of the Scriptures to find out for
themselves if what I have affirmed in the comments I have made here are true. Be as the
“Bereans” of whom it was said by God. . . “These were more
noble than those in Thessalonica in that they received the word with
all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether
those things were so.” (Acts 17:11)

Use the mind and intellect God has
given to you in what I can assure you will be the most challenging
and rewarding undertaking you will pursue and one that will literally
transform your lives. As God Himself has said of His Word . . . “And
that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able
to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ
Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
in righteousness; That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly
furnished unto all good works.” (II Tim. 3:15-17)

Note in verse 17 . . God says . . the
“man of God”. This phrase can also be understood as the “godly
man” or the “God-fearing man”. Contrary to what some would
have you believe God has not written His word to a limited audience.
Some commenting here have intimated that the Bible can only be
understood by “scholars”. Allow me to share the thoughts of some
“biblical scholars” who commend the reading of God’s Word to all
men.

- David Field – Senior Tutor, Oak
Hill Theological College, London –

“The Bible is not written in a secret
spiritual code which must be cracked if its message is to be
understood. Provided it is read sensibly. . . it is clear enough for
the simplest Christian to live by, as well as being profound enough
to exercise the mind of the brightest scholar for a lifetime. The
decisive qualifications for profitable Bible study are spiritual
rather than intellectual. Among the qualities which the Bible itself
suggests, the following are particularly prominent: A will to obey:
(John 7:17); Concentration: (2 Tim. 2:15); Patience: (Heb. 6:12;
Heb. 11:17-19; Persistence: Luke 8:18; Submission to the Holy Spirit:
(Luke 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:9-16; 2 Tim. 3:15-17)”

- Kenneth Howkins – Senior Lecturer
in Religious Studies – Balls Park College of Education – Hertford
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“Clearly also the Christian must use
his own mind to receive the word of God. He must read carefully,
compare one passage with another and use all the aids he can.
Besides this he needs to seek the help of the Holy Spirit, through
whom Scripture was written, to illuminate its meaning. As with the
writers of Scripture, so with its readers, the mind and whole being
needs to be dedicated to God. It is one of the remarkable features
of the Bible that it contains enough to occupy the greatest
intellects for a lifetime, and yet the simplest soul can read and
understand, and in reading with an obedient heart find God himself.

“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.”  (Luke 24:25)

May God grant you discernment.

 Hi Jeannie,
I pity you if you  take any crap that you get out of google search as “Historical fatcs”.  Everybody knows that internet is filled with personal opinions and very very very badly rsearched articles and incomplete news etc….. I am in India and a Catholic, I have never heard that the Masses are ‘outsourced” to India. But it is true that priests here charge a maximum of 100  Rupees for a mass, and sometimes depending on the places it is only 50 ruppes or even less.

I am surprised is it true that you have to pay $100 for a mass ??? That is EXPENSIVE !!!

The Souls of all of the Children the Vatican was responsible for the deaths of have now been mobilized.

They are arranged for war.

And, as we Jews say: the revenge of children even HaSatan could not conceive.

JPII said that there is probably no one in Hell! But he has been beatified – let us not break the Fifth Commandment here by accusing someone who we a re not totally sure knew what was happening at that newspaper

Pardon me , whilst I throw up – where do you get all this crap from!

Yep, what does he get for his knighthood anyway?

 Will his $10+ million be returned as his Epaulets are ripped off ?? Ray Ryan

Not by the Inquisition, but it can be farmed out to the CIA or Brit Int. or whatwver.  There is always rendition!

Maybe what you write is true, but this man Goliath has certain morals when it comes to children/innocents.  As for all of the rest… There is nothing wrong in what two consenting adults do.  So sayeth the Good Lord!

Here in the US Murdoch is nothing but a holy terror.  His “Fox News” is an insidious propaganda machine, pandering to the worst in all of us: greed, the dominance of the ignorant opinion, and the empowerment of the “every man for himself let your neighbor die in the gutter” new conservative ethic. He feeds a gullible public with hideous lies, and laughs, of course, all the way to the bank.  The man is a classic narcissist and social predator.