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Debate: Should Rupert Murdoch’s papal knighthood be rescinded?

Or does his financial support of the Church make him a worthy Knight of St Gregory?

By on Friday, 8 July 2011

Rupert Murdoch, left, and Cardinal Edward Egan at the Alfred E Smith fundraising dinner in New York (AP Photo/ Yana Paskova, POOL)

Rupert Murdoch, left, and Cardinal Edward Egan at the Alfred E Smith fundraising dinner in New York (AP Photo/ Yana Paskova, POOL)

In 1998 Rupert Murdoch was made a Knight Commander of St Gregory. He had apparently been recommended for the honour by Cardinal Roger Mahony, after giving money to a Church education fund. A year later he donated $10 million to help build Los Angeles Catholic cathedral.

Is it right that papal knighthoods should be awarded in this way? The honour is supposed to recognise a person’s service to the Church. Certainly, Murdoch’s money has helped the Church; but surely there are many, many faithful Catholics, whose tireless service to the Church goes unacknowledged, who deserve to be honoured much more.

And is Rupert Murdoch a person the Church should celebrate? He owns – or did own – a newspaper that lost its moral bearings; he ought to bear some responsibility for that.

On the other hand, rescinding his papal knighthood might be difficult to justify. Other papal knights may also have flaws. Where do you set the bar?

So, should Rupert Murdoch’s papal knighthood be rescinded? Or is it fair to honour someone who has helped the Church financially?

  • Anonymous

    There is one item about this government and some politicians and the royals and big business and the bankers and the police and the judiciary and the press that people do not seem to be aware of……. The thing that connects them all is the FREE MASONS.Each and every one of them is steeped in free masonry,all brothers under this vile cloak of secrecy.A point worth remembering during your musings.

  • Ardgowan

    Murdoch can’t be stripped of his knighthood, because, the last I’d heard (courtesy of Guy Stair Sainty), his purported creation as a Knight of Saint Gregory still has not been published in the Acts of the Apostolic See, and therefore legally never took place.  You can’t rescind a knighthood that the pope has never officially created.

  • Ardgowan

    You don’t like the politics of the Fox News cable network, yet you don’t say anything about his Fox cable network and movie-making company which produces things far, far worse than anything a pundit on Fox News might give you.  I think your priorities might be a little off kilter.

  • Dd

    I dont even think the issue should be brought to an open discussion like this. Were we consulted before he was awarded the knighthood? Also when you open such issues for public discussion , who gives you the right to do so? You just create room for unnecessary comments and insults…also are we not told that the catholic church is not a democracy? This kind of discussion is disrespectful to the Pope who also must have made an input to the decision. It is not an issue to be discussed in the public. Let us respect our church elders and their decisions and let us have the faith and confidence in them that the issue will be resolved and God will still be glorified. it is not our problem or business…

  • Anonymous

    Hello again Martin,

    Thank you for your kind words and
    expression of good will toward me. Thanks be to God, I am feeling
    considerably better today. I will begin by addressing your
    concluding remark . . . and I quote:

    “the other Gospel” the
    Apostle was referring too was the early Gnostics. They were teaching
    a different Gospel that denied the deity of Christ. That is
    definitely not what the RCC teaches. “

    *******

    With that I take exception. I see no
    mention of Gnostics in this passage. By the following
    pronouncements, the RCC makes they do indeed proclaim “another
    gospel”:

    “The Church affirms that for
    believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. ‘Sacramental
    grace’ is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament.”

    - Source:  R.C. Catechism Para 1129

    And . . .

    The Roman Catholic Church teaches as
    dogma that justification is conferred through her sacraments and that it consists of
    inner righteousness whereby a man, it is stated, becomes just within himself. The Church of Rome
    condemns the biblical doctrine of justification by faith alone. This was done at the Council of Trent.   The  RCC not only upholds the teaching of the Council of Trent
    but also declares that such Councils are infallible. The Council of Trent proclaims the
    following curses:

    “If anyone shall say that justifying
    faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ’s sake, or
    that it is this confidence alone by which we are justified: let him be anathema
    [cursed].”

    “If anyone shall say that by the said
    sacraments of the New Law, grace is not conferred from the work which has been worked [ex
    opere operato] but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices to obtain grace: let him be
    anathema.”

    - Source: #822, Canon 12 & #851 Canon 8

    **********

    Martin . . you have stated in a prior
    comment that . . .

    “So, the Church is defined by those
    who are saved by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone, Baptised
    into the death and resurrection of Christ and have received the Holy
    Spirit. The people are born again.

    That is what the RCC church believes in
    its most basic creeds since the time of Christ.. . . .”

    *******

    Your church’s interpretation /
    understanding of the “new birth” however, is not consistent with
    the definition God provides in His own Word. “The people” are
    not en masse “born again” This is a very personal matter and is
    only known by those who have been brought under the influence of the
    Holy Spirit, a vital work wrought in the inward man, namely when the
    conscience . . the heart . . the will . . is brought under
    conviction of sin which leads to repentance (a Godly sorrow over sin
    (II Cor. 7:9) and culminates in a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ as
    revealed in God’s Word who are brought by faith (the gift of God –
    Eph. 2:8) to rest in the His finished work alone for the salvation of
    their souls. The new birth is plainly set forth by Peter in his 1st
    epistle, and elsewhere throughout Scripture. “Being born again,
    not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God,
    which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23)  Christ
    Himself speaks of the necessity of being born again in the Word of
    God as it is found in John 3:3-8. The “church” does not confer
    the “new birth” . . God through the operation of His Holy Spirit
    does. This is the plain teaching of Scripture
    and that which the early church of the Apostolic era proclaimed as
    Gospel Truth!

    The veracity of God’s Word is known
    only by those, who have come under the influence of the Holy Spirit
    and have known for themselves its’ vital power to convict them of
    their sin, bring them to repentance and impart faith to believe on
    the Lord Jesus Christ to the saving of their souls.

    The transformed lives of multitudes
    who have felt and known the prickings of the conscience, and the
    converting power of the Gospel in their own lives offer compelling
    proof, and of this I can personally testify. When God by His Spirit
    writes his word upon the fleshy tables of a sinner’s heart, so that
    it leaves an indelible impression upon their souls. (Hebrews
    8:10-11) Any vain thoughts that some entertain that  this Book was written by men will
    give way to an implicit faith that it is in truth . . the very Word
    of God!****“For
    this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye
    received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as
    the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which
    effectually worketh also in you that believe.”1 Thess. 2:13****In the
    final analysis, a certain knowledge that the Bible is God’s Word
    comes from the internal witness which is born of God himself to those
    who read it. In other words . . the witness of the Word itself.

    “If we
    receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this
    is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He
    that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself;”

    (1 John
    5:9-10)********Thanks be to God .
    . of these things I can speak experimentally!

    This then is what it means then to be
    “born again, not of corruptible seed, but
    of incorruptible, by the Word of God which liveth and abideth
    forever.” (1 Pet. 1:23)

    As I have stated in a prior comment,
    the following statement by “your church” is the height of
    ecclesiastical tyranny and once again shows a complete contempt for
    the Holy Bible, which nowhere tells us that a requirement and/or pre-requisite for our
    salvation is to be “subject to the Roman Pontiff”.
    ***POPE
    BONIFACE VIII (pope: 1294-1303) ***³We declare, affirm, and
    define as a truth necessary for salvation that every human being is
    subject to the Roman Pontiff[i.e., the Pope of Rome].´( 1302)

    The Lord Jesus Christ alone is the head
    of the ‘body of Christ´and the Christian Church, and not some
    fallible human pretender to the throne!

    As I have stated before on the vital
    and solemn doctrine of salvation, “your church” contradicts the
    Scriptures and offers more compelling evidence that “your church”
    proclaims “another gospel”.

    It is by faith alone (Eph. 2:8) in the perfect
    obedience Christ rendered to God’s holy law in life and through His
    substitutionary sacrifice at Calvary, where He offered Himself once for
    all for the sins of His people* thereby making payment of the demands
    of God’s holy law . . for the “wages of sin is death” (Rom.
    6:23) . . . that sinners are justified before God. That is the work
    Christ came to do, of which He declared “It is finished.”! (John
    19:30)

    God-given faith is not to
    be understood as sundered from knowledge . . that is a saving
    knowledge of Jesus Christ which can only be found in the Holy
    Scriptures. “So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the
    word of God.” (Romans 10:17) It entails believing on the Christ
    of God that is is set forth in His Word and all that God has revealed about His Person and His Saving
    Work  (1 John 5:10-12)

    *”So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of
    many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time
    without sin unto salvation.” (Heb. 9:28)

    “By the which will we are sanctified through
    the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for
    sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

    From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made
    his footstool.

    For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them
    that are sanctified.” (Heb. 10:10, 12, 13, 14)

    “But by the grace of God I am what I am” (I Cor. 15:10a) . . a Christian and a “new creature in Christ”  (II Cor. 5:17)

     

  • Martin

    June, do you have an email address that i can take this this conversation off line with you? We are using a lot of space up here.

    Its fine if you dont want to.

    GOD Bless

    Martin

  • Anonymous

    No problem Martin . . . my e-mail address is:  june.ralph@gmx.com

     

  • Rich

    I agree, there was a story that went around a few years ago about a widow who put her last penny into the church collection … it was pondered upon by one of the priests at the time. I guess there’s a better honour than an earthly knighthood.

  • Anonymous

    You are right that all in the Church should be equal but a knighthood should never be something to prioritize a person over others; all it ever should be is something to recognise the services of a person to the Church and to God in accordance to the commandment (“with all your soul, with all your heart and with all your mind”) and as such should have nothing to do with Murdoch. Knighthoods for those who truly serve the Church in a way that merits being noted (such as in founding missions or speaking out for persecuted Christians) do not seem to show inequality but simply a recognition of the fact of a person’s devotion and courage as a knighthood used to be.

  • Anonymous

    Actually there has been one recognised by the Pope and the Church. Rather ironically he was exiled from birth as the son of King James II (who, owing to his dedication to the Catholic Church, we may also consider legitimate.) The actual last British King as recognised by the Church was James VIII of Scotland and James III of England and Ireland; as such his heir, and not the current “Queen” is the true British Monarch.

  • Anonymous

    To those following this discussion,
    this will be my final post in connection with this article. I wish
    to share some of my own thoughts as well as the thoughts of others
    regarding God’s Word . . the Bible. I would encourage those
    who have never applied themselves to a serious
    reading/consideration/study of the Scriptures to find out for
    themselves if what I have affirmed in the comments I have made here are true. Be as the
    “Bereans” of whom it was said by God. . . “These were more
    noble than those in Thessalonica in that they received the word with
    all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether
    those things were so.” (Acts 17:11)

    Use the mind and intellect God has
    given to you in what I can assure you will be the most challenging
    and rewarding undertaking you will pursue and one that will literally
    transform your lives. As God Himself has said of His Word . . . “And
    that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able
    to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ
    Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
    profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
    in righteousness; That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly
    furnished unto all good works.” (II Tim. 3:15-17)

    Note in verse 17 . . God says . . the
    “man of God”. This phrase can also be understood as the “godly
    man” or the “God-fearing man”. Contrary to what some would
    have you believe God has not written His word to a limited audience.
    Some commenting here have intimated that the Bible can only be
    understood by “scholars”. Allow me to share the thoughts of some
    “biblical scholars” who commend the reading of God’s Word to all
    men.

    - David Field – Senior Tutor, Oak
    Hill Theological College, London –

    “The Bible is not written in a secret
    spiritual code which must be cracked if its message is to be
    understood. Provided it is read sensibly. . . it is clear enough for
    the simplest Christian to live by, as well as being profound enough
    to exercise the mind of the brightest scholar for a lifetime. The
    decisive qualifications for profitable Bible study are spiritual
    rather than intellectual. Among the qualities which the Bible itself
    suggests, the following are particularly prominent: A will to obey:
    (John 7:17); Concentration: (2 Tim. 2:15); Patience: (Heb. 6:12;
    Heb. 11:17-19; Persistence: Luke 8:18; Submission to the Holy Spirit:
    (Luke 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:9-16; 2 Tim. 3:15-17)”

    - Kenneth Howkins – Senior Lecturer
    in Religious Studies – Balls Park College of Education – Hertford
    -

    “Clearly also the Christian must use
    his own mind to receive the word of God. He must read carefully,
    compare one passage with another and use all the aids he can.
    Besides this he needs to seek the help of the Holy Spirit, through
    whom Scripture was written, to illuminate its meaning. As with the
    writers of Scripture, so with its readers, the mind and whole being
    needs to be dedicated to God. It is one of the remarkable features
    of the Bible that it contains enough to occupy the greatest
    intellects for a lifetime, and yet the simplest soul can read and
    understand, and in reading with an obedient heart find God himself.

    “Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.”  (Luke 24:25)

    May God grant you discernment.

  • Douglasburnett

    I had no idea that he had been awarded this in the first place.  This looks like an instance of the church selling out in a very real sense.  Rupert Murdoch should be held to account for the appalling behaviour of his newspapers and be stripped of his knighthood!

  • Joeantony

     Hi Jeannie,
    I pity you if you  take any crap that you get out of google search as “Historical fatcs”.  Everybody knows that internet is filled with personal opinions and very very very badly rsearched articles and incomplete news etc….. I am in India and a Catholic, I have never heard that the Masses are ‘outsourced” to India. But it is true that priests here charge a maximum of 100  Rupees for a mass, and sometimes depending on the places it is only 50 ruppes or even less.

    I am surprised is it true that you have to pay $100 for a mass ??? That is EXPENSIVE !!!

  • DoreenDotan

    We are now so close to breaching the fortress surrounding the Vatican.

    Soon all of its horrors will be laid bare and the world will be purged of this 2000 year old scourge.

    Blessed is the Name of the God of Yisra’el forever and forever.

  • DoreenDotan

    The Souls of all of the Children the Vatican was responsible for the deaths of have now been mobilized.

    They are arranged for war.

    And, as we Jews say: the revenge of children even HaSatan could not conceive.

  • DoreenDotan

    This link will make the inner meaning and truth of the destruction of Rupert Murdoch’s empire clear. The
    God of Yisra’el is cleansing the world of the last vestiges of the
    influence of the worship of Mardukh, the inner core of Babylonian idol
    worship upon which all subsequent idol worship is based – including
    Christianity.Babylon is falling – for good this time.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M​arduk#The_fifty_names_of_Mardu​k

  • Poverello37

    JPII said that there is probably no one in Hell! But he has been beatified – let us not break the Fifth Commandment here by accusing someone who we a re not totally sure knew what was happening at that newspaper

  • Poverello37

    do not believe everything you read on Google, a lot is put there to make you believe what the writewr wants you to read – the True Facts of the Inquisition can be obtained in the true history books etc etc

  • Poverello37

    Pardon me , whilst I throw up – where do you get all this crap from!

  • Andrew Galea

    So it’s all a question of money.
    Is Mr. Murdoch a Catholic?
    It does not really matter.
    Papal Honours?
    A money making machine.
    How far we have strayed…………………………………….

  • Rich

    Yep, what does he get for his knighthood anyway?

  • Andrew Galea

    I would still like to know if Mr. Murdoch is a Catholic.
    His mother was Jewish.
    Something strange here.

  • Ray Ryan

     Will his $10+ million be returned as his Epaulets are ripped off ?? Ray Ryan

  • Michael H Grant

    Well as Jesus would have said to his disciples, “he has had his reward”.

  • Apgalea

    Not by the Inquisition, but it can be farmed out to the CIA or Brit Int. or whatwver.  There is always rendition!

  • Genius-d

    Rupert Murdock, you are the dearest sweetheart and you have tried your
    very best to protect our children. You do not need a false knighthood.
     You are the knight in shining armour against the abominations of children
    and that can only be God given.  

    The Queen and her free-mason leaches are the minions of a
    lower God.  They can only revoke a tin & brass knighthood.  But,
    they cannot revoke a spiritual knighthood.  

    Well done Rupert for being the only human being in all of England who
    has the guts to take on the British paedophile ring high up in the echelons of
    our so called decent society.  

    Ignore the minions, their time is the nigh!
     

  • Genius-d

    Maybe what you write is true, but this man Goliath has certain morals when it comes to children/innocents.  As for all of the rest… There is nothing wrong in what two consenting adults do.  So sayeth the Good Lord!

  • Genius-d

    You poor deluded child, anonymous!  
    Knighthoods are made by seedy little people in their seedy little false man made churches.  Knighthoods really do not have any bearing in Heaven…WOW!  My next door neighbour just gave me a knighthood!  Big Deal!Since when did the Good lord/ lordess say that it was okay to cover up for paedos as do the freemasons?  Adam was thrown out of Eden for lying and enticing an unripe child called Eve and not for snooping in order to get to the truth which is Good! 

  • MichaelDelucca

    Here in the US Murdoch is nothing but a holy terror.  His “Fox News” is an insidious propaganda machine, pandering to the worst in all of us: greed, the dominance of the ignorant opinion, and the empowerment of the “every man for himself let your neighbor die in the gutter” new conservative ethic. He feeds a gullible public with hideous lies, and laughs, of course, all the way to the bank.  The man is a classic narcissist and social predator.