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Michael Voris is coming to London. Cafeteria Catholics watch out

His message is simple: we Catholics should be prepared to live our faith radically

By on Thursday, 4 August 2011

Michael Voris speaks at a bloggers' meeting at a bar in Rome (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

Michael Voris speaks at a bloggers' meeting at a bar in Rome (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

The good news first: Michael Voris, founder of The Vortex, RealCatholicTV.com and the Catholic Investigative Agency (CIA) is coming to London. Those who were not able to attend the Catholic bloggers’ conference in Rome earlier this year will now have the opportunity to meet him and listen to him. The talk will be on “Living the Catholic Faith Radically”, the date is August 24, the time is 7pm, the cost is £5, payable at the door or by Paypal, and the venue is Regent Hall, 275 Oxford Street, London W1C 2DJ. This initiative has been arranged by Paul Smeaton, son of John Smeaton of SPUC, and the email address for enquiries is: voristalklondon@gmail.com.

So what is the bad news? The bad news is what Michael Voris will talk about: the decline of the Church in the west and what we Catholics need to do to halt and reverse this decline. His message, as those who watch RealCatholicTV.com will know, is very simple: if we Catholics are not prepared to live our faith radically ie be 100 per cent faithful to all the Church’s teachings and not pick or choose the bits we are comfortable with – we cannot call ourselves Catholic.

Some of his critics would argue that Voris is too judgmental of his fellow Catholics, laity and hierarchy alike. He takes this on the chin, with the counter-punch that for too long there has not been enough serious talk by the Church’s pastors about the gravity of sin and the reality of judgment – and that is why the Church is in a mess today. He maintains that charity is truth and that it is not charitable to avoid the truth when others’ souls are imperilled by our silence. He has harsh words for those he calls “professional Catholics”, who accept the Church’s teaching without deeply believing them, and who have simply forgotten the mission of the Church.

By his own admission, Voris was once a lapsed Catholic. What brought him back were the prayers of his mother as she lay dying of cancer. They proved a powerful wake-up call and he has been trying to wake up his fellow Catholics ever since.

The themes of The Vortex, his short, punchy YouTube presentations, available for free, are not the sort to attract cafeteria Catholics: they often include a mention of Hell; they name indolent or heretical members of the hierarchy; they often discuss the evils of contraception – “evil in its intent and in its execution” – and the other moral disasters it has led to, such as widespread abortion, divorce and the acceptance of other forms of recreational sex, such as same-sex relationships. Indeed, whatever peaceable accommodation Catholics have made with the world you can be sure that Michael Voris has taken a crusading stand against it.

Some traditionalists don’t like him because he doesn’t make a wholesale return to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass his single issue. He is entirely respectful of the traditional Latin Mass, but follows the Church in maintaining there is one rite, under two forms; both are permitted and Catholics are free to choose. But he does emphasise that reverence needs to be recovered in the New Rite and that “kneeling and on the tongue is the preferred method of reception of the Host in the universal Church”.

Others don’t like Voris’s style, “the way he waves his pesky pencil” as a friend put it to me, or the confident way he declares that The Vortex is “where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed”. He is too brash, too American, too in your face, too preachy, too un-PC. For me he simply answers the question: why be a Catholic? His sturdy response is: “Because the Catholic Church is the only hope against evil – as that is its God-given mission.”

  • Anonymous

    In terms of the following quote from the above article.

    “He takes this on the chin, with the counter-punch that for too long
    there has not been enough serious talk by the Church’s pastors about the
    gravity of sin and the reality of judgement – and that is why the Church
    is in a mess today”. 

    When Michael Vorris is challenged about being radical he is absolutely spot on! They don’t mess about with this nonsense in the evangelical and pentecostal churches. They say it ‘as it is’. No wonder they are so successful!!!! Catholics only have to watch God TV for ten minutes to work that out.

    Pastors and evangelists such as John Hagee, John Kirkpatrick and Nathan Morris have no problem getting the message out there. No wonder their churches are full!

  • Liza Rafe

    Excellent!!  Shared on FB!

  • guest

    Sorry who is he and why does anyone care what he think? Is he a Priest? And what is the difference between him and fundermentalist preachers?  He has completely missed the point as to why the church is loosing people, what has he to say about the abuse scandal? I don’t see any mention of a loving God or about Jesus for that matter….Some of those “Cafeteria Catholics” are living their faith but feeding the homeless, raising money for CAFOD,…..This is just about controlling people and John Hagee is not someone to aspire to become…I am sure the Herald readers will like him though…. Bleech…

  • Anonymous

    I think the most important thing is that Catholics should have a living relationship with our Lord and Savior and should read and know their Bibles. With that will come respect for the church’s teaching and heartfelt reverence for the wonderful gifts of the Holy Spirit, the sacraments. I don’t think things like whether people receive the host standing up or kneeling, on the tongue or in the hand matter that much and Holy Church in its wisdom allows all those choices. What is important is that the Gospel is unashamedly proclaimed, taught and lived in Church – when that happens then people come to church again.

  • Brian A. Cook

    I actually just mailed a letter to a cardinal, who supposedly blessed Voris’ studio, raising my concerns about Voris, which I won’t elaborate here.  I also just “liked” guest’s comment. 

  • Brian A. Cook

    I actually just mailed a letter to a cardinal, who supposedly blessed Voris’ studio, raising my concerns about Voris, which I won’t elaborate here.  I also just “liked” guest’s comment. 

  • Erplad

    Oh Dear. Another intolerant American hatefull “Christian”. He’s about as plausable as Glenn Beck and other Fox-ish right-wing TV demagogues. .except this one looks like an all american frat-boy but sometimes dresses in a monk’s habit. Yes! this fella should have folk flocking back to the church. Honestly, what universe to you inhabit? If this joker is the future then we really are in a sorry state.

  • Brian A. Cook

    Come to think of it, I should have added that I don’t compltely agree with “guest”.  I wouldn’t’ say that it’s all about control.  I would conceded that Voris is well-intenioned.  However, let me offer this food for thought.   When young people see Voris as the face of Mother Church, can they really see a merciful Prince of Peace who reaches out to reconcile them to God? 

  • Brian A. Cook

    Come to think of it, I should have added that I don’t compltely agree with “guest”.  I wouldn’t’ say that it’s all about control.  I would conceded that Voris is well-intenioned.  However, let me offer this food for thought.   When young people see Voris as the face of Mother Church, can they really see a merciful Prince of Peace who reaches out to reconcile them to God? 

  • Erplad

    John Hagee is a dangerous idiot who would have nuclear armageddon given half the chance.

  • Anonymous

    I have listened to several of Mr Voris’ talks and while he’s right about the importance of living our faith, there is precious little mention of the mercy of God in anything he says.  I would like to hear his thoughts on the reaction of the father and older son to the younger boy in the story of the Prodigal (Luke 15), the conditions for entry into Heaven (Matthew 25), the refusal of Jesus to condemn (John 8), Christ’s excoriation of the Pharisees (Matthew 23) or His comment “It is mercy I desire, not sacrifice” (Matthew 9:13) to list but five passages.
     
    If I am correct, the only ones Christ lashed out at were: those making profit in the Temple, those leading children astray and those pointing the finger at people they considered to have fallen short. Mr.Voris says we need to speak the truth, and I completely agree. However, Christ drew people to Himself by His example and by His love rather than by harsh words. Christ took people where they were and beckoned them to grow rather than made them feel terrible. Mr Voris, for all his zeal and sincerity does not seem to have much consideration for those who struggle; for him, it’s 100% Catholic or not a Catholic; so much for we who are sinners.
     
    My real fear- and I pray to God I am wrong – is this: whenever I have encountered someone who seems to focus on the sins of people, it usually means they are hiding a big one of their own.
    Father Corapi, Father Ken Roberts and Rev Jimmy Swaggart are three well known examples.
     
    I don’t deny that our Catholic faith is rich, beautiful and life-giving; nor do I deny that there is much wrong in the world. However, as someone once told me “You catch more with honey than with vinegar.”  When we die there is not one of us will ask for justice; we will all hope for the blessing of mercy.
     

  • Anonymous

    Any sensible Cafeteria Catholics will rightly dismiss Voris as a loon.

  • Honeybadger

    Cafeteria Catholics are not sensible.

  • Concerned Catholic

    So what you’re saying is that it is ok for people to attend Mass every Sunday and receive Communion even though they are using contraception, want the Church to begin ordaining women, and feel that abortion is a women’s right.  These are the the so-called Catholics that Michael Voris speaks against.  

    Remember, two Spiritual Works of Mercy are to Admonish Sinners and Instruct the Ignorant.  This is what Michael Voris does.  Some may call him judgemental; I say he a man in love with Christ who wants to help bring sinners to repentance.

    Furthermore, your post gives the impression that it is ok to pick and choose Church doctrines as long as you “feed the homeless” and “raise money for CAFOD.”  I’m sorry but this is wrong.  Sin is sin.  And the wages of sin is death.  

    I’m all for social justice, but I’m more concerned with the universal call to holiness.  If we want to be holy, we must accept with docility ALL that Mother Church teaches. 

  • Honeybadger

    We desperately need our bishops and priests to be like Voris in kicking butt for the Roman Catholic Church in the public and media spheres. I don’t mean for them (or us) to come across as aggressive but have the ability to skilfully and assertively put forward the truth instead of skulking away from the likes of those who think kicking the Roman Catholic Church should be an Olympic sport.

    Voris is not advocating we do harm to others, which is what extremist preachers do. We need to examine ourselves as to why we are Catholic.

    The Cafeteria has been closed for a long time… yet people still think they can queue up outside the building which already has the shutters down.
     

  • http://twitter.com/holysmoke Damian Thompson

    Was Voris’s magnificent rug also God-given?

  • crouchback

    Not so much given….more like “Fallen from on high”…..by the looks of it.

    We know a waiter who looks fine and handsome since he ditched his wig…..this thing, I kid you not had a leather strap, which could be seen every time he inclined his head.

  • Parasum

    He is a layman, who has awarded himself the status of judge & assessor of the Catholicism of others. Even though his “apostolate” has no official standing. IOW, he has as much authority as you or I – perhaps less, since a foreigner is unlikely to understand why the problems of  the English Church are what they are. England and Wales are not the US. 

    His approach suffers from the same one-sided orthodoxism as EWTN does. US Catholic orthodoxy of that kind is very abrasive. Asserting belief in the Catholic distinctives is more important than practical love of neighbour; and more important than understanding the meaning of dogmas: a great many “orthodox Catholics” are most unorthodox in their understanding of the meaning the Church gives to the dogma of the Eucharistic Presence.

    IOW, there is no place in this brand of Catholicism for theology & its complexities, nor for dialogue: if people don’t tick the boxes, they are  wrong & can be ignored. This is a Catholicism that is strongly Fundamentalist, for all these features are found in Protestant Evangelical Fundamentalism: including the position of the Great Teacher, who is not a bishop, minister, or other official in the Church, but the charismatic individual who unlike any of those, knows the True Faith – this is a Catholicism which is, on proinciple profoundly suspicious of Church authority. It is Protestant Fundamentalism, masquerading as Catholicism. Catholicism is far from simple: but it can seem so, if it is reduced to a body of required propositions, to be believed on pain of not being Catholic.

    He may be highly intelligent – many Fundmentalists are – but that is not enough to make him a good teacher. Not if what he offers is one-sided.
    —–
    “While the Diocese of Scranton’s decision to cancel an appearance by Michael Voris has made headlines, his standing in his own diocese is meriting a closer look….

    The Archdiocese of Detroit recently issued the following statement regarding St. Michaels’ Media and Real Catholic TV:

        “In 2006, St. Michael’s Media of Ferndale, Michigan, through its chief executive, Michael Voris, and his associates, requested approval of its apostolate and programming from the Archdiocese of Detroit…..At issue was, and is, compliance with our basic archdiocesan media protocols and those of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB). While there have been some discussions, the matter with St. Michael’s Media remains unresolved; it is not an approved apostolate.

    http://www.patheos.com/community/deaconsbench/2011/04/11/on-michael-voris-it-is-not-an-approved-apostolate/

    Some information on his intellectual attainments:

    http://www.theonetruefaith.tv/index.php?nav=01&content=18

    http://www.cmgbooking.com/speakers/michael-vorhis.html

  • Anonymous

    Catholicism is not about being nice to each other and smiling through.  It is not about emotionalism.  Catholics are on this earth to know God, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, in order to be happy with Him in the next, and we can achieve those aims by prayer and penance, backed up by good works.

    Penance includes, for example, not using contraceptives for gratuitous sexual pleasure little though that may appeal to the majority of people who claim to be Catholics today.

    It sounds as if Michael Voris intends to remind Catholics of what is expected of them if they want to gain eternal life.  More power to his elbow, but how come it has fallen to Michael Voris to deliver this message?  Ought it not to be the top priority of every Bishop and every priest in the Church to remind the faithful of the very issues which Michael Voris proposes to address?

    I wish him every success and very good support in giving his talk, and would point out that details can be found here .

  • Parasum

    “For me he simply answers the question: why be a Catholic? His sturdy
    response is: “Because the Catholic Church is the only hope against evil –
    as that is its God-given mission.””

    ## Given its recent shenanigans, the CC badly needs a Saviour itself, & from itself. Happily for us & for its victims, it has one. If it’s all-sufficient (as is implied), why bother with Jesus ? I don’t recall the Church’s being crucified for us. 

    Voris is too full of Voris; he doesn’t mediate the grace of the One Who is greater than he. For a would-be teacher & corrector of others, who sets himself up as their judge, that is a serious weakness.

  • Concerned Catholic

    “Asserting belief in the Catholic distinctives is more important than practical love of neighbour; and more important than understanding the meaning of dogmas: a great many “orthodox Catholics” are most unorthodox in their understanding of the meaning the Church gives to the dogma of the Eucharistic Presence.”
    Where is your proof for these allegations?  Michael Voris may be an extremely charitable man for all we know.  You have no right to say that Voris simply asserts his Catholic faith without living it fully. Furthermore, which “orthodox Catholics” are most unorthodox in their understanding of the Eucharist?  This is nothing but stereotyping.  If you make such sweeping comments, please be prepared to back them up with evidence.

    “there is no place in this brand of Catholicism for theology & its complexities, nor for dialogue: if people don’t tick the boxes, they are  wrong & can be ignored”

    I strongly disagree with this statement.  This “brand of Catholicism” is exactly what we need.  You label this “brand of Catholicism” as fundamentalism; I describe this “brand of Catholicism” using two words: humble obedience.

    We should not dialogue with heretics.  Yes, I said heretics.  Heretic is an unpopular word nowadays, but it perfectly describes those who openly dissent from the divinely revealed dogmas of the Catholic faith.  You call us Fundamentalists.  I wonder if you would call St. Dominic the same?  Like Voris and other Orthodox Catholics, he publicly proclaimed his faith and worked to bring the heretics of his day to repentance.

  • Erplad

    All the signs are there that point to ‘ ludicrous buffoon’

  • Mgannome

    There is great commentary on Catholic issues at catholicurrent.com.

  • George Kadlec

    From all the posts it appears that Voris is making a significant impact. How people hate to be told the truth. I believe some quotes are appropriate:

    G.K. Chesterton:

    “There are an infinite number of ways to fall, but there
    is only one way to stand.”

    “Is one religion as good as another? Is one horse in the
    Derby as good as another?”

    “I believe in getting into hot water; it keeps you
    clean.”

    “Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they
    become fashions.”

    “Be
    careful not to be so open-minded that your brains fall out.”

    “Take away the
    supernatural and what remains is the unnatural”

     “When men cease to believe in God they do not
    thereafter believe in nothing; they believe in anything!”

    “Today, having a clear
    faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism.
    Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried
    about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that
    can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that
    does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists
    solely of one’s ego and desires.” — Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became
    pope)

    And finally, a LifeSiteNews reader sent us this excerpt
    from an address by Archbishop Fulton Sheen to the Supreme Convention of the
    Knights of Columbus in June 1972,

    “Who is going
    to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to
    you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
    Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops act
    like bishops, and your religious act like religious.”

    George Orwell stated “During times of
    universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” 

    (Matt 13:27-30). How would we be sifted?

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the
    earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a
    man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
    against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
    (Matt 10:34-36)

    St. Athanasius is
    the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.”  The following quote has been attributed to
    him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”

     
    Hillaire Belloc
    stated “It is a nice question whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater
    part in human affairs.”

    “Today, having a clear
    faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism.
    Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried
    about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that
    can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that
    does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists
    solely of one’s ego and desires.” — Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became
    pope)

    And finally, a LifeSiteNews reader sent us this excerpt
    from an address by Archbishop Fulton Sheen to the Supreme Convention of the
    Knights of Columbus in June 1972,

    “Who is going
    to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to
    you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
    Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops act
    like bishops, and your religious act like religious.”

    George Orwell stated “During times of
    universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” 

    (Matt 13:27-30). How would we be sifted?

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the
    earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a
    man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
    against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
    (Matt 10:34-36)

    St. Athanasius is
    the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.”  The following quote has been attributed to
    him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”

     Hillaire Belloc
    stated “It is a nice question whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater
    part in human affairs.”

    “Take away the
    supernatural and what remains is the unnatural”

     “When men cease to believe in God they do not
    thereafter believe in nothing; they believe in anything!”

    “Today, having a clear
    faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism.
    Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried
    about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that
    can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that
    does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists
    solely of one’s ego and desires.” — Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became
    pope)

    And finally, a LifeSiteNews reader sent us this excerpt
    from an address by Archbishop Fulton Sheen to the Supreme Convention of the
    Knights of Columbus in June 1972,

    “Who is going
    to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to
    you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
    Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops act
    like bishops, and your religious act like religious.”

    George Orwell stated “During times of
    universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” 

    (Matt 13:27-30). How would we be sifted?

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the
    earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a
    man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
    against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
    (Matt 10:34-36)

    St. Athanasius is
    the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.”  The following quote has been attributed to
    him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”

     
    Hillaire Belloc
    stated “It is a nice question whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater
    part in human affairs.”

    “Today, having a clear
    faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism.
    Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried
    about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that
    can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that
    does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists
    solely of one’s ego and desires.” — Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became
    pope)

    And finally, a LifeSiteNews reader sent us this excerpt
    from an address by Archbishop Fulton Sheen to the Supreme Convention of the
    Knights of Columbus in June 1972,

    “Who is going
    to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to
    you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
    Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops act
    like bishops, and your religious act like religious.”

    George Orwell stated “During times of
    universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” 

    (Matt 13:27-30). How would we be sifted?

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the
    earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a
    man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
    against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
    (Matt 10:34-36)

    St. Athanasius is
    the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.”  The following quote has been attributed to
    him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”

     Hillaire Belloc
    stated “It is a nice question whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater
    part in human affairs.”

    “Be
    careful not to be so open-minded that your brains fall out.”

    “Take away the
    supernatural and what remains is the unnatural”

     “When men cease to believe in God they do not
    thereafter believe in nothing; they believe in anything!”

    “Today, having a clear
    faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism.
    Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried
    about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that
    can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that
    does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists
    solely of one’s ego and desires.” — Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became
    pope)

    And finally, a LifeSiteNews reader sent us this excerpt
    from an address by Archbishop Fulton Sheen to the Supreme Convention of the
    Knights of Columbus in June 1972,

    “Who is going
    to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to
    you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
    Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops act
    like bishops, and your religious act like religious.”

    George Orwell stated “During times of
    universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” 

    (Matt 13:27-30). How would we be sifted?

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the
    earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a
    man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
    against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
    (Matt 10:34-36)

    St. Athanasius is
    the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.”  The following quote has been attributed to
    him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”

     
    Hillaire Belloc
    stated “It is a nice question whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater
    part in human affairs.”

    “Today, having a clear
    faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism.
    Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried
    about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that
    can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that
    does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists
    solely of one’s ego and desires.” — Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became
    pope)

    And finally, a LifeSiteNews reader sent us this excerpt
    from an address by Archbishop Fulton Sheen to the Supreme Convention of the
    Knights of Columbus in June 1972,

    “Who is going
    to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to
    you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
    Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops act
    like bishops, and your religious act like religious.”

    George Orwell stated “During times of
    universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” 

    (Matt 13:27-30). How would we be sifted?

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the
    earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a
    man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
    against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
    (Matt 10:34-36)

    St. Athanasius is
    the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.”  The following quote has been attributed to
    him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”

     Hillaire Belloc
    stated “It is a nice question whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater
    part in human affairs.”

    “Take away the
    supernatural and what remains is the unnatural”

     “When men cease to believe in God they do not
    thereafter believe in nothing; they believe in anything!”

    “Today, having a clear
    faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism.
    Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried
    about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that
    can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that
    does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists
    solely of one’s ego and desires.” — Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became
    pope)

    And finally, a LifeSiteNews reader sent us this excerpt
    from an address by Archbishop Fulton Sheen to the Supreme Convention of the
    Knights of Columbus in June 1972,

    “Who is going
    to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to
    you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
    Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops act
    like bishops, and your religious act like religious.”

    George Orwell stated “During times of
    universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” 

    (Matt 13:27-30). How would we be sifted?

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the
    earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a
    man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
    against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
    (Matt 10:34-36)

    St. Athanasius is
    the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.”  The following quote has been attributed to
    him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”

     
    Hillaire Belloc
    stated “It is a nice question whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater
    part in human affairs.”

    “Today, having a clear
    faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism.
    Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried
    about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that
    can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that
    does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists
    solely of one’s ego and desires.” — Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became
    pope)

    And finally, a LifeSiteNews reader sent us this excerpt
    from an address by Archbishop Fulton Sheen to the Supreme Convention of the
    Knights of Columbus in June 1972,

    “Who is going
    to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to
    you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
    Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops act
    like bishops, and your religious act like religious.”

    George Orwell stated “During times of
    universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” 

    (Matt 13:27-30). How would we be sifted?

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the
    earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a
    man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law
    against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
    (Matt 10:34-36)

    St. Athanasius is
    the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.”  The following quote has been attributed to
    him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”

     
    Hillaire Belloc
    stated “It is a nice question whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater
    part in human affairs.”

     

  • Anonymous

    Just like faithful Catholics will dismiss your comment, rightfully, as pathetic.

  • Anonymous

    Of all the things you could make a point on regarding Mr Voris and his message, you choose the most shallow and vacuous…..

  • Anonymous

    Oh great, another finger pointer sitting on the sidelines criticising Mr Voris who is actually trying to do something to restore the Faith and the Church to it’s former glories.
    What have you done lately Parasum except happily blast someone you know nothing little about.
    ‘since a foreigner is unlikely to understand why the problems of  the English Church are what they are’
    How do you know that? He has not even spoken in this country before, and here you are blasting him…… at least let the guy talk first before you publically condemn him.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, lets listen to you instead and follow your example. As soon as someone mentions sin has consequences lets label them a ‘hateful Christian’ and lambaste them. Thats the way forward isn’t it……..?

  • Anonymous

    What a contradictory post. On one hand you say ‘heartfelt reverence for the wonderful gifts of the Holy Spirit, the sacraments’. Then in the very next sentence you say ‘I don’t think things like whether people receive the host standing up or kneeling matter’. Er, yeah, that’s a heartfelt attitude isn’t it?!
    Of course in matters. Are you for real? At Mass when you approach the altar you are not only about to meet Jesus, but to receive him. OF COURSE YOU SHOULD KNEEL BEFORE THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE!
    You do believe in the Real Presence don’t you? Then when wouldn’t you kneel before your God?

  • Anonymous

    In order for people to be reconciled to God they first have to be informed of their current sinful ways and urged to reform, as the Church and the world is in a dire state morally. That is exactly what Mr Voris does. It’s a difficult job at the best of times but made all the more challenging when there are so many lukewarm/cafeteria Catholics running around with a fluffy/hippy view of Jesus, contradicting the need for reform of very sinful world and atonement for our sins.

    “I know thy works,
    that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot. But
    because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to
    vomit thee out of my mouth.” – Apocalypse 3:16

  • Wee Jock

    The Church is Christ’s Mystical Body. Have you ever read the New Testament?

  • Wee Jock

    Are you trying to say that it is a ‘syrup’?

  • Anonymous

    I thought that he was trying to encourage Catholics to go back to the Magisterium of the Church. Far from a loon. This is exactly what should be happening.

  • Anonymous

    I know what you are saying and I am well aware that John Hagee is no friend of the Catholic church. I was merely making the point that when it comes down to telling people that sin does exist and that going to hell is a reality, these people do not shy away from the facts. Unlike the present hierarchy in the Catholic Church.

  • Anonymous

    You see the Bishops of England and Wales believe that if they tell Catholics that they are going to hell then all the people will leave the churches and there will be no more collection money because they will have offended people’s sensibilities. The truth is that some would leave the church. The one’s remaining would start living the gospel more effectively. If the message was strong enough to go out to wider society then the pews would soon start to fill up again.

    However, in terms of getting out a national message it isn’t just about telling people they are going to hell. Public witnesses such as the Franciscan monk who recently exposed the blessed sacrement in a town, more walks of witness, and outdoor masses would draw people into the mysteries of the body of Christ.

  • http://twitter.com/perezDeFernando PerezDeSanFernando

    Oh dear. Erplad sounds like a typical intolerant socialist “Katholic”, who
    preaches tolerance and non-judgementalism, yet makes rash and incorrect
    assessments about people (s)he doesn’t actually watch/listen to. I bet
    Erplad hasn’t even watched Fox News or Glenn Beck, except for a few
    selected clips edited by its political opponents, designed so that
    people like Erplad would make such comments about the network.

  • Torquemada

    I hope you are joking. There is no such thing as a “sensible” cafeteria Catholic.

  • Torquemada

    I hope you are joking. There is no such thing as a “sensible” cafeteria Catholic.

  • Torquemada

    Nice article, Miss Phillips. I would like to add one thing about Voris’ organization. Michael rails on against “progressives” in the modern Church and the damage they have done and continue to do. However, RealCatholicTV refuses to acknowledge that the Novus Ordo is itself the work of progressives (as anyone can discover for himself by reading a little history) and that it has severely damaged the faith, just as Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci predicted. Therefore, Michael’s so-called radical defense of the faith is not quite as radical as you might think. He is still hiding behind the false obedience of “two forms of the same rite,” which is ludicrous nonsense and a palpable lie, but which was apparently necessary in order to get the corrupt bishops to accept Summorum. Nevertheless, his mission is a start.

    BTW, I hope Regent Hall doesn’t cancel this booking because Robert Ian Williams will claim that Michael Voris is anti-Semitic…..:-)

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

    Got  it in one, Torequemada. We had two blogs on Voris before the CT blog closed to comments and it became clear that there is a wee bit of cafeteria Catholicism on offer at RealCatholicTV itself.

    Still, as you say, his “mission” is a start.  Whatever is good about it, we support.  Just wish he could see the whole picture. He’s an excellent speaker and correct about so much.  I do hope his visit to London is a success insofar as it goes but his message is still a mixture of truth and error so it can only ever be of limited success.  Maybe a first step towards the full truth for souls at the awakening stage.

    Spot on about Williams – anybody who thinks the Jews need Christ to be saved is anti-Semitic now, St Paul included.  Gimme strength.

  • Liza Rafe

    “… whenever I have encountered someone who seems to focus on the sins of people, it usually means they are hiding a big one of their own.”

    And Michael Voris will be the FIRST one to agree with you on this!!  We are ALL horrible sinners!  Are you so perfect as to remove yourself from this list?  He has never claimed to be perfect – only to be totally in love with the Faith, and with a great desire to help in getting as many souls to heaven as possible.

  • Anonymous

    If you follow Michael Voris you will find that he is completely orthodox.  He says it like it is which is rare in todays Church.  I think he is great.

  • Parasum

    If you’re being dogmatically precise, then yes. The rug, its magnificence, its belonging to Voris, & Voris himself, are all contingent realities; so is the relation between them. The relation between them is also God’s gift.

  • Parasum

    “Asserting belief in the Catholic distinctives is more important than practical love of neighbour; and more important than understanding the meaning of dogmas: a great many “orthodox Catholics” are most unorthodox in their understanding of the meaning the Church gives to the dogma of the Eucharistic Presence.”Where is your proof for these allegations?”

    ## Four years at the Catholic Answers site, and comparison of the remarks on the Eucharistic Presence by many “orthodox” people there,is my *evidence* – but it won’t be *proof*, to anyone not convinced by it; that, is up to them. I’m only comparing what people have said, with what the Church teaches. And what people tend to do, is to make two mistakes:

    1. To confuse the *reality* of the Presence, with its *substantiality*  – the former is made to carry all the load of the latter. As well as being a confusion in thought of two different things, this overlooks the very careful, perfectly explicit, & precise teaching of the Council of Trent.

    2. The second mistake, is to confuse the actuality of the Eucharistic Presence with the idea that it is material. It is one thing to say that the Presence of Christ, is, by the power of the Holy Spirit working through the human instrumentality of the human priest, made present on the altars of the Church – it is something else, to understand this as a *material* Presence. The Body of Christ is indeed Present, but not as matter.  The Reality is one thing – the material appearances, & their matter, that make the Presence of Christ available as our Food, are different from it entirely.

    The Eucharistic Presence is where the Consecrated Host is – it is one form of the Presence of Christ, and not the only one. If it were the only one, Christ would not be Present in the Christian, nor in the Church, nor in the height of Heaven with His Angels & His Saints.  

    Sorry to waffle.

    “You have no right to say that Voris simply asserts his Catholic faith without living it fully.” Did I avail myself of any such right ?

    “Furthermore, which “orthodox Catholics” are most unorthodox in their understanding of the Eucharist?”  

    ## All one is pointing out is that some who “put down” others as not “true Catholics”, or as (to use a word used by Voris in a video) “traitors”, are themselves not always orthodox. That they are not, doesn’t makje them bad or evil or anything like that; it means only that they, rather than being qualified to deplore or to savage the errors of others, are no different from those whom they castigate; they just make different mistakes.  

    This is not *mere* point-scoring. It is unhealthy for people who think they are faithful or orthodox, & show by their severity to those whom they consider to be neither, what opinion they have of them,  to take to themselves a right no one has conferred on them of saying who is or is not a Catholic. Mr. Voris is not a bishop, he is not the Pope, he has no authority over other Catholics, & AFAIK he does not have the gift of knowledge of souls. He is equipped neither by nature, nor by grace, nor by ecclesiastical law, nor by an extra-ordinary endowment from God, to judge who is or is not a Catholic. Some are equipped in that way. But he is just one layman, like you, me, or millions more. Judging who is Catholic is not the job of the laity – regardless of their moral or doctrinal purity.

    Another reason it is dangerous to act like that is that if we think we are better than those we find fault with, we are in serious danger of being humbled; perhaps by falling into the very sin or sins which we object to in them. And if we play judge like that – this is worlds away from the love which results in fraternal correction & the humility that accepts it, BTW – we may very well do far worse than those we criticise. So if we forget that both wheat & tares are left by God to grow until the harvest, and try instead to anticipate where God is long-suffering & kind, our zeal is going to do more harm than good. If people in communion with the Church fall short in certain ways - who does not ? If God does not cast them out – by what right do His servants ?  The tendency to do so, ignores the possibility of, and the need for, conversion – something all Christians stand in need of.      

    Fundamentalism is not compatible with Catholicism, and if the Church allows itself to try mending Catholic problems with Fundamentalist remedies, it may succeed in being healthy again, but only at the cost of giving the parts of Fundamentalism it does not want access into it. The results for theology & for pastoral practice will be disastrous. The Catholic Church has a truly universal vision of creation; Fundamentalism has a very restricted one. That alone is reason enough not to Fundamentalise the Catholic Church. If OTOH one wants the Church to have the mentality of an American Protestant sect, go ahead, by all means. If Catholic orthodoxy is what is wanted, that comes from a combination of such things as God’s grace, a strong interior life, the means of grace available in the Church, & our own encounter with the Risen Christ. Not from trying to adopt the ways of Fundamentalism.  

    As for my saying this:

    “Asserting belief in the Catholic distinctives is more important than practical love of neighbour”

    - Matthew 25.31-46 is my source for that. Not that passage only, but the others like it that emphasise that what we do to one another, we do to Christ. There are no “Catholic distinctives” in those passages; believing the mystery of transubstantiation, or any other, however fervently, won’t be any good if we treat one another like dirt.  We would be making the sort of mistake for which Jesus so severely rebukes the Pharisees in Matthew 23. Doctrines have their place, but belief in them, and treating others in an unChristian way, is not exactly unusual.

    This is far too long. Sorry.

  • Parasum

    @Wee Jock: 1. Did I say, or imply, or even suggest, it was not ?

    2. Yes.

    3. That it is the MBoC, does not make it into Christ Himself. If the two were identical – rather than intimately related -  all statements about Him, would be equally applicable to the Church. The Church was not crucified for us, nor did the Church ascend to the Father, nor is the Church appointed to be the Judge of all mankind at the Last Day, nor is the Church the Source of all grace in the Church. Nor is the Church the One Who gave His Life for the Church. And so on.

    Those notions are true of Jesus Christ – and only of Him. The Church is a beneficiary of His life & work, but that is not identity with Him.  He is not *reducible to* His Mystical Body: if He were, He could not be gracious outside it. Nor is He is not *limited to* His Church, any more than God was limited to the Chosen People in the OT. To be present among men is not a limitation of God, but a sign of His kindness to those who are members of His People; not a rejection of others, but a responsibility for His Church in OT & NT alike.

    I hope that clears things up.  

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

     And you’re surprised at this because?????

  • Nat_ons

    I trust The Vortex has/ has had a wonderful stay; it is about time the church catholic outside the US of A resounded to orthodoxy fired straight from the hip, and without the all too common UK response of ‘mindless traditionalist’ to hide behind .. Voris, like all true prophetic witness may appear odd, of course, because a ‘prophet’ is so, and blessed in this oddity = seeing things ‘differently’ while setting the truth of Faith above the success of worldly likeability.

    As with that home-grown marvel of the Church in England (and Wales) Daphne McLeod, of PEeP, a stony-faced smile may well be the only expected welcome from the snake-pit mindset of the present established way (in accommodation to the secular world); yet, as with Daphne, I doubt that this vortex swirl will be too easily dismissed even if it can be dispersed in its passing.

    With PEeP, nonetheless, another distraction can be introduced to minimise the powerful effect of truth told where truth needs to be told; that of an eclectic fidelity or worse mote-eyed blindness toward faults. I have the greatest respect for Daphne McLeod and Michael Voris in their own individual ways, and their human foibles cannot distract me from seeing the sanity and sanctity of their stance. That is not how others may see them - whether for good or ill reason - and in particular their interference as self-appointed laity defending the Faith .. which without doubt they are (but chiefly because the oversight under whose care our souls has actually been put could not be trusted to do us this service).

    May God bless Mr Voris, and his facing up to the often dirty work committed to his fallible hands!

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

    The answer, of course, to the mindless charge of interfering as  “self-appointed laity” – it seems that the vast majority of Catholics have forgotten that every member of the laity has been appointed – and anointed – by God to “interfere” when anyone, from the pontiff down, departs from Catholic doctrine and morals.

    At both our Baptism and Confirmation we were set apart precisely for this  task of being Soldiers of Christ, a leaven in the community.

    So, let’s now give an ounce of credence to the ignorant attacks on lay people who do their duty as Confirmed Catholics.  It is the Lazy Laity who are just targets of criticism, not those, like Daphne McLeod and Michael Voris, who speak out.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

     Correction:  in my previous post, “let’s now” should, of course, read “let’s not”.  Apologies for any confusion caused.

  • Anonymous

    Who said i was surprised…….. ?