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World Youth Days are not debauched rock festivals, but joyful encounters with Christ

Let’s cease the jeremiads

By on Wednesday, 10 August 2011

Pope Benedict XVI leads Benediction at World Youth Day in Sydney (CNS photo)

Pope Benedict XVI leads Benediction at World Youth Day in Sydney (CNS photo)

When I blogged a few months ago about the enduring legacy of Blessed John Paul II, in particular the World Youth Day (WYD) that he began to hold every three years around the world during his pontificate, several posts that followed were severely critical. Was I not aware that these were simply youth rock festivals with the Pope as the main celebrity, places where all sorts of dodgy liturgical experiments and wholesale immorality took place? Actually, no I wasn’t.

It is always easier to be negative rather than positive – especially when it comes to the Church. I have a tendency to be like this myself, so I know this cast of mind well. But having known personally of several young people who have attended WYDs in the past and whose faith has been shaped by the experience, I share the mindset of the late pope and now of his successor, Benedict XVI, who see these occasions as a joyful public celebration of faith, capable of inspiring young people with memories that last the rest of their lives.

Three of my children were at the WYD in Rome in the year 2000 and were very moved to listen to the aged John Paul II and to witness his own strong faith. Now my grandson, aged 16, has gone to Spain with a party from the Oxford Oratory, led by several Oratorian priests, to attend the WYD in Madrid. My hope is that he will make lasting friends there and come to know and love his faith better. What more could a grandmother want?

Those who hoped that Pope Benedict would quietly drop the WYDs as not being part of his more low-key pontifical “style”, compared to his predecessor, have been disappointed. The Holy Father, in a recent speech, addressed such critics head-on: referring to the WYD in Sydney in 2008, he said: “Although fears were expressed beforehand that this mass influx of young people might create some problems for public order – clogging traffic, disrupting daily life, sparking violence and drug abuse – all these fears proved unfounded. The event was a celebration of joy, a joy that in the end spread even to the doubtful…”

The Pope then asked: “What really happens at a World Youth Day?… Popular analyses tend to view these days as a variant of contemporary youth culture, a sort of rock festival in an ecclesial key, with the Pope as its main attraction. Such analyses presume that, with or without faith, these festivals would be basically the same… Even some Catholics would seem to agree, seeing the whole event as a huge spectacle… [which] would really change nothing, nor have any deeper effect on life”.

The Holy Father then spoke of the spiritual preparation that preceded this event; the WYD Cross, carried by relays of young people “which becomes an interior encounter with the One who died for us on the Cross”; his own position, not as the star attraction, but as “a Vicar [who] points beyond himself to the Other who is in our midst”. Finally, he emphasised the “solemn liturgy [which] is the centre of the whole event: “Christ is present. He comes into our midst. The heavens are rent and the earth filled with light.” The “joy” of experiencing a WYD “cannot be compared to the ecstasy of a rock festival,” he said. The Pope concluded with pointing out that at WYDs “friendships are formed which encourage a different way of life and which give it deep support”.

The Holy Father’s words are spot on. Let’s cease the jeremiads then, and trying to ferret out anecdotes of youthful debauchery, and pray to Our Lady – as the Pope requests – “to bring the expected fruits to this meeting”.

  • Jeannine

    Have you actually read the article you referenced? Did you then examine the website of Anteroom Pictures that was stated in the article, to watch a brief synopsis of the “pornographic” video? It is anti-pornography. They are not exposing the youngsters to XXX pictures or anything similar to it. It’s a teaching tool for these kids to stay away from anything remotely connected with the pornographic industry & the repercussions if they don’t.

    As for one Host being abused, I think that’s probably 1 of the reasons there will be 1000s upon 1000s of clerics present on the grounds where the WYD activities will take place.

    Instead of complaining about the Vatican wasting money on these WYDs, which it isn’t (The local bishops are footing most of the bill.) & addressing the collapse of Catholic education which they have, I hope you’re doing your bit by catechizing those around you. I know I am. And if everyone with your Catholic knowledge evangelized those around them, it might actually go viral & spread throughout the world. 

  • https://openid.org/locutus LocutusOP

    Let me start by pointing out that I’ll be attending WYD and although I signed up reluctantly, I am certainly hopeful that it will not be anything close to what you portray, and that I might leave Madrid having become a better follower of Christ. With that out of the way…

    EditorCT, I normally go to great pains to be compassionate with your point of view – mostly because you tell it as you see it. I also think it’s good that you report so passionately and so honestly about what’s wrong with many modern Catholics. However, I can’t bring myself to agreeing with you this time.

    I live in a country in which being a Catholic is as close as one gets to a taboo. I see this trip as a way of being in physical communion with a significant part of the Catholic community.

    Although we certainly can’t stop people travelling to Madrid to denigrate the event, I should think that the world offers much better venues and events for the depravity that interests these people, so at the very least I think these people will be at a minimum. It’s my honest opinion that most people there will be those who are trying to become better Catholics, and who perhaps want (even need) a large gathering of faithful Catholics to feel that they’re not fighting a losing battle.

    You’re right that it is a sad indictment of the Church that the Catholic community fares no better in homes, schools or moral attitudes than the rest. Indeed, many Catholics have abandoned the ideals which are required to make that claim in the first place. Time will tell whether these events will make an impact, but if it brings a few Catholic youths together, strengthens them in their orthodoxy, and empowers them to change the world in accordance with true apostolic deeds, then we might start reclaiming much of the moral ground that we’ve lost, and the denigrators will end up being a mere irrelevance in the final analysis.

    I am certainly not a blind optimist, but I do see the world with your untainted eyes and without taking a step back in reflection it’s difficult not to be a pessimist. But I am optimistic that true authentic apostolic orthodox Christianity – which is the only one I could sincerely call Catholic – can be the light in a very dark world, and I think a meeting of young enthusiastic (mainly) orthodox Catholics should be seen as a step in the right direction. Of course if we have pilgrims there who have no interest in the Gospel, we should rebuke and support them – our duty as Christians requires nothing less.

    You should consider travelling to a WYD event and try evangelising instead of posting with (justified) frustration. We could certainly do with all the honest and well-meaning Catholics we can find – but be warned, a lot of people think that Pope Benedict XVI is the right man in the right place, which is something about which you seem to have grave doubts.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

    LocutusOP,

    You  do not answer my question which is addressing the core of the topic of this blog.  Is, do  you think, viewing a film about pornography pleasing to God?

  • https://openid.org/locutus LocutusOP

    Let’s put it this way: Would you not want anyone who believes abortion is anything less than an evil to be shown the horror that goes on in abortion clinics? If it appeals to their humanity and gets them to oppose abortion will not the documentary have been a good thing?

    To defeat evil one must be willing to confront it, and we cannot confront what we do not know. As I wrote before, I haven’t seen the documentary, but if it presents pornography as an evil that ought to be stopped – which I hope it does – then there’s room for it. Naturally, I would also hope that it attacks the free sex culture, or at the very least does not endorse it.

    The fact that pornography is an evil should be obvious to any practising Christian, but those who are not might be won over by showing that pornography also has a human cost – which might even be wrapped up in feminist mumbo jumbo for all I care. Then it might become obvious that the Church opposes things on moral grounds because immoral actions have terrible consequences and quite often a large human cost, and we might actually win some converts.

  • https://openid.org/locutus LocutusOP

    Answered in another post…Short answer: If the documentary condemns pornography as the evil that it is, and shows that pornography has real human and mortal costs, then I do not see how it would be displeasing to God.

    In fact, one might even go as far as claiming that it might be a Christian duty to expose the evils of the pornography, just as it is a Christian duty to speak the truth about morality and God’s design for man.

  • Anonymous

    (In reply to Petrus1) And what’s wrong with Protestant style worship songs? (I presume you mean the type of songs written by Stuart Townend, Keith Getty, Matt Redman and Graham Kendrick) In fact some good ones have been written by Catholics.  Why do people have to nitpick about style of music and other details. C.S. Lewis’s fictional demon Screwtape would have been delighted at all the nitpicking (If you cannot stop them going to church, then at least make them a conniseur or taster of churches rather than a Christian”).

    One of my favorite images of the pope’s visit to the UK was a bunch of very young Catholics singing an impromptu performance of “We are marching in the light of God” while they were waiting in a queue.” I couldn’t help feeling the joy of the Holy Spirit. So I feel sad for the people who just want to nitpick.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

    You amaze me. You ignore the fact that this documentary will INTRODUCE youngsters to pornography and you ignore also the warning of St Paul to not even let these things be talked about among us.  Let alone filmed and discussed.

    As the young mother I mentioned in another post said,  “they (Catholic schools) are not going to get control of my children’s minds.  They are not going to sexualise MY children.”   She homeschools.

    Shame on the modern protestantised and secularised Catholics who defend the indefensible at every turn, this devious introduction of pornography through the guise of “education” being the latest manifestation.  

  • W Oddie

    Yes

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

    William,

    You are guilty of a most rash judgment, most uncharitable.  And of course, as usual, just plain wrong.

    You blacken the characters of Catholics who subscribe to a publication that is loyal to the Faith but which you, as a modern newcomer to the Church dislike.   I’m not going to dignify you with the title “convert” because I don’t believe you have converted at all – you’re still, at heart, an Anglican, William.  Even those who know and like you have said as much. No offence intended, but you haven’t converted to anything, certainly not the traditional Catholic Faith.

    You have taken it upon yourself to do what no bishop has done, pronounce, as outside the Church, Catholics who are attending Mass Sunday after Sunday and often, too, on weekdays. Every bishop in the UK and Ireland receives our newsletter, and has done for many years now. Copies are sent to every Vatican Congregation and to the Pope himself.  Included in every edition, is an invitation to the hierarchy to correct us (as is their duty under Canon Law # 823) if there is anything at all  in our newsletter that is contrary to the Faith.  We launched the newsletter in 1999.  Not ONE member of the episcopate has taken up our invitation, although we have published letters from bishops. Additionally, we have priests on our mailing list from all over the world, including England.  None of them have ever contacted us with concerns about errors.  On the contrary, many priests have contributed to  our newsletter, by writing for us and by contributing to our funds.  Notice though, that these priests are  terrified of being exposed as supporting us while the many openly schismatic priests (the Association of Catholic Priests in Ireland springs to mind) have no qualms about putting their names on their website and calling for a  national church independent of Rome.  When the Catholic Herald quoted them in recent reports about Enda Kenny calling for priests to break the seal of confession, there was no mention  that these priests are de facto schismatics. On the contrary, they were described in Catholic newspaper reports as “representing priests”.  So, it’s OK for “priests in good standing” (with their bishops – not with God) to defy  Rome, but laity like us who express concerns about such bad priests are “a sect” for doing so?  Really, William?  Every thought of applying for a brain transplant?  Yours would be great for someone in their teens since it’s hardly been used.

    Seriously, there is no point in asking for an apology from you, William.  You are seething with hatred for traditional Catholicism as opposed to the Modernist version of it which holds sway at the present time. 

    I have kept my word, given to you some time ago, not to post on your blogs when it became crystal clear that you harboured a real hatred for Catholic Truth. I did not want to provoke you to anger as my posts defending the Faith clearly did.  I would ask you, therefore, not to blacken the name of Catholic Truth in this forum, since that is calculated to draw a response from me and I truly do not want to annoy you.

    Of course, if you can cite anything in Catholic Truth, website or newsletter, that is opposed to the Faith, please feel free to come back and say so here. Possibly, quite possibly, you agree with the priest who told his congregation that anyone who contributes to or reads Catholic Truth will be going to Hell (see our homepage), so it may be that you do not wish  to risk that terrible fate.  However, if, as any  truly Catholic soul knows, it is a grave sin to make that definitive judgment, you ought to read our entire publication  and website thoroughly, and if you find nothing opposed to the Faith – well, apology obviously not even remotely a possibility, I suggest you say nothing.

    God bless.

  • Anonymous

    Catholic Truth is a group of self-appointed, arrogant moralists who have exploited the democracy of the internet to harass and intimidate fellow Catholics who do not agree with their narrow world view. Petrus1 and EditorCT are examples of the Catholic Truth mindset. They have been labelled ‘heresy hunters’. They scour the church in Scotland looking for the merest deviation from orthodoxy, and every word of every priest and prelate is analysed and exposed if it doesn’t fit in with their view. They couldn’t be more pharasaical if they tried. The are the very antithesis of Christianity.

    Most people in the Church in Scotland now see them for what they are and treat them with the contempt they deserve.

  • https://openid.org/locutus LocutusOP

    As I wrote previously, most of today’s (Western) youth have already been introduced to pornography, sadly, so your point is misplaced, and (if I may be so bold) bordering on the irrelevant. What the documentary aims to do (I gather) is introduce people to the social and human costs of pornography, and that is most likely a good thing (although I can’t claim that for sure until I see it myself).

    I would agree with your point if we were dealing with 12-13 year-olds, but I don’t think these will be in the majority at WYD. In any case, even 12-13 year-olds are more than likely to already have been introduced not only to pornography, but also sexual activities.

    If my assumptions are correct, the documentary aims to desexualise and not sexualise people, and is very different from the ‘sex education’ mandated by Western governments in that regard. I have a hard time seeing why you claim this to be an “indefensible” act.

    Might I suggest that you withhold judgement until you have actually seen the documentary? Or at the very least give it (and the organisers) the benefit of the doubt?

    On a different note, I am very much in favour of home-schooling and I consider it to be an act of great love by the parents (if it’s done for the right reasons), and I very much understand the frustration of that young mother you mentioned. Unfortunately, many of us live in countries where home-schooling is outlawed – despite this being a clear breach of parental rights (and even the UN declaration of human rights – for those allude to that document).

  • Anonymous

    Jeannine

    Petrus and EditorCT will see evil in everything. It is a terrible way to see the world. You waste your time if you try to reason with them.

  • Anonymous

    Jeannine

    Petrus and EditorCT will see evil in everything. It is a terrible way to see the world. You waste your time if you try to reason with them.

  • http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/ Joan

    CathedralMan –
     

    I wonder why you say that?  I have scoured the Catholic
    Truth website and I honestly cannot see the  problem. I  was shocked
    at the priest who said they were going to Hell, that’s reported on their website news column but surely you can’t agree with him?  What is it about Catholic Truth that causes this hatred? Also, I’ve
    just read EditorCT’s reply to W Oddie below and it seems very reasonable to be, so you are wrong to say you cannot reason with them. I
    think if W Oddie accused any other group of being a sect, there wouldn’t be such
    polite reply.

  • http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/ Joan

    You’ve said this kind of stuff before but when I have asked you and others have asked you to spell out what you mean, like giving actual examples, you don’t do it and you disappear off the face of the earth. Who have Catholic Truth “harassed and intimidated” and how did they  use “the democracy of the internet” to do it? Also, what is their “narrow mindset” because from their website, I would describe them as orthodox Catholics.

    I remember someone calling on you to debate openly with EditorCT and you refused, so I think since you won’t put up, you should shut up.  Your becoming a bore. Your also becoming a laughing stock because how can you possibly know what “most people in the Church in Scotland” think?  Anytime I’ve mentioned Catholic Truth to people I’ve got a positive response. If you look at the August newsletter you’ll see that EditorCT has been invited to speak at a conference in Ireland, so you ought to stick to speaking for yourself, it’s you that has a bigotry  towards Catholic Truth not “most people in Scotland”.

  • Anonymous

    It was widely reported at the time and I have produced links several times.  I have stated ad nasueum that unless you helped with the clear up operation, you wouldn’t have seen it.

  • Anonymous

    We are not “self appointed”.  Every Catholic, by virtue of their Baptism and Confirmation are called to defend the Faith.  This is elementary. 

     “They scour the church in Scotland looking for the merest deviation from orthodoxy”  We do not need to look far!  However, are you saying that Catholics should ignore deviation from orthodoxy?  Surely not!

    ” every word of every priest and prelate is analysed and exposed if it doesn’t fit in with their view” Nonsense.  There is no “Catholic Truth View”, only the view of the Church. 

    “They couldn’t be more pharasaical if they tried.”

    You’ve hurled this nasty insult before.  The problem with the pharisees was their hypocracy.  I’d be interested in hearing how this relates to anyone connected with Catholic Truth…

    “The are the very antithesis of Christianity.”

    I assume you mean “they are”.  You have been quick to point out in the past that no one should judge “your Catholicism” so isn’t it hypocritical and, dare I say it, pharasaical, for you to say this?

    “Most people in the Church in Scotland now see them for what they are and treat them with the contempt they deserve.” 

    An interesting statement coming from someone who claims to be an “ordinary guy in the pew”.  Maybe you would like to expand on this…

  • https://openid.org/locutus LocutusOP

    Certainly not.

    They’re just abrasive orthodox Catholics prone to the odd bout of exaggeration (and possibly paranoia)….But their heart is in the right place, which is more than we can say for most.

  • Anonymous

    Dr Oddie was an odd habit of making scurrilous, uncharitable and just downright incorrect statements and then vanishing into the night.  Such arrogance!

    It would be more helpful, Doctor, if you pointed out the ways in which you think Catholic Truth is a sect.  Which doctrines of the Church are denied or distorted?  When has the Holy See, or any Bishop of the Church, denounced Catholic Truth as a sect?  They haven’t.  I understand you are a newcomer to the Church, but you should be aware that it is pure protestantism to make oneself the authority on such matters. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m always tempted to change the “n” to a “t”. 

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Is that the fanatical Fatima Gruner Site?

  • Anonymous

    Do you think you are a bit obsessed with sexual matters? I find it uncomfortable you talking frequently about the sexual habits of a few young people. You ask somewhere else if you could have a photo of my daughter’s wedding dress..I felt very uncomfortable with that request.. are you by any chance male??

  • Anonymous

    Thought so!

  • Anonymous

    I find your tone very uncharitable to Mr Oddie & quite unchristian…you seem to call a lot of ordinary Catholics “modern” as an insult…we are simply Catholic..not liberal orthodox traditionalist neo con charismatic hippie ….simply Catholic!

  • Anonymous

    Oh dear!!

  • Anonymous

    I think you are ignoring the elephant in your own room dear. We are fully aware of any difficulties in the Church without having continuous diatribes..you seem to misunderstand the World Youth Days & their purpose..I don’t think there is much point in trying to persuade you about all that is good in the Church..but I will re-iterate that you are very blinkered..I rather think you have created an “alternative” religion..that only follows the Holy Father when he agrees with what you say..the Fatima obsession is way off beam..I don’t think little Bl Jacinta would like you quoting her at various points..she would refer you to the teaching authority of the Church which has pronounced on Fatima & the secrets fully revealed..the Catholic Truth organisation/sect/cult you have invented is extremely worrying…& to be avoided at all costs as dangerous to our beloved Faith..

  • Anonymous

    Yes..particularly when it’s so true! Do I detect envy??

  • Anonymous

    As I said earlier this obsession with sexual matters is very unhealthy..the Vatican have issued a warning not to get too obsessed with sexual matters..

  • Anonymous

    Vatican City, Aug 12, 2011 / 11:50 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Benedict XVI is eager to meet the vast crowds of young people who are gathering in Madrid and is looking forward to the “wonderfully spiritual” moments that will occur during the four-day international event.

    Wonderful.. “The Pope is very happy and very much looking forward to meeting a million young people next week,” said papal spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi, S.J., in Aug. 12 remarks to CNA.

  • Anonymous

    My comments seemed to have come out in a long list! I was replying to various questions CT Editor asked me…one was about my daughter’s wedding dress..& a few other things..q a cutting one about my saying how well Francis’s & my children were doing..usually on blog comments I get heartfelt praise & congratualtions re raising a Catholic family..these type of comments from I think they are Catholics?? are q strange..

  • Anonymous

    Ah the priest is wrong is he?? Must tell him & his confreres! lol

  • Joan

     What priest are you talking about?

  • Joan

     I think the Vatican did not mean not to be obsessed with purity though! 

  • Joan

     I can’t see anything objectionable at all on the Catholic Truth website. I read it often and I know priests who read it and like it. What don’t you like, in particular?

  • Joan

     I think the tone of Editor’s reply to Mr Oddie calling Catholic Truth “a sect” when it is no such thing, very charitable indeed. 

  • Joan

    I’m amazed that you are not uncomfortable with kids being show pornography at World Youth Day but you are uncomfortable with the observation that modern wedding dresses are not modest.  A Church of England vicar sent a bride home a year or so ago to cover her shoulders. Was he obsessed with sex or just conscious of the importance of modesty  in a church building?  What does it matter if Editor is male or female?  We should all be concerned about lack of modesty.  Why are you not?  With 10 children you ought to be.

  • Anonymous

    What’s wrong with Protestant worship songs?  Oh my goodness things are indeed worse than we thought!

    Who would have thought we would see the day when Catholics felt the need to borrow from heretical false religions?  What is so lacking in Catholicism that you feel the need to poison it with protestantism?  It’s probably because undiluted Catholicism is too much like hard work for modern, liberal Catholics, so the more like easy going protestantism the better.  Catholicism Lite!  No thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who is “simply Catholic” must be orthodox and traditional.  Anyone who is unorthodox or modern, well, they need to examine their conscience!

  • Anonymous

    Instead of making scurrilous, unfounded, uncharitable, arrogant and just plain wrong statements, why don’t you point out exactly what you object to on the Catholic Truth website.  That will be very telling. 

  • Anonymous

    This is a very silly and scurrilous post.  It was more than obvious the point the editor was trying to make when she referred to wedding dresses.  Your inversion of this is very, very worrying. 

    I think you’ll find that of the thousands of reports Catholic truth have published only a small minority have related to sexual matters.  It does help to get your facts right beofre you open your mouth and let your belly rumble!

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you point out what exactly you find fanatical about the Fatima Network….  As I said, if you are going to make bold statements then you really need to have done your research.  Most uncharitable simply call a priest in good standing by his surname.  THAT is something Catholic Truth has never done.  Priests and Bishops have always been given their proper title.

  • Anonymous

    Joan
     
    I am tired of repeating my gripe with CT. You ask for examples. I will give you some:
     
    They ‘suspected’ a priest in Edinburgh of being homosexual. EditorCT harassed the priest with emails, and eventually threatened to ‘doorstep’ him if he didn’t respond. Is this rational, Christian behaviour?
     
    Is it Christian to constantly expose the faults of others in public? Is there not a biblical decree against this? Did Jesus himself not say, ‘Let he is without sin cast the first stone?’
     
    Petrus repeatedly mocks other Christian religions, as can be seen on this blog. He was once an elder in the Church of Scotland. Is this not hypocrisy at its worst?
     
    They have threatened to ‘out’ priests they suspect of being homosexual.
     
    The conference in Ireland is for like-minded people. Note the pedigree of other speakers at the conference.
     
    When the CT blog was active, they demonised anyone who argued against their narrow worldview. I was labelled a communist because I objected to Franco’s murderous, evil regime in Spain. Their tactics were puerile and predictable.
     
    I mentioned that they exploit the democracy of the internet to publish their views. The internet allows people like EditorCT to expound their crazy views in a way that was not possible before the advent of the internet. No self-respecting publication would have entertained such views prior to the internet.
     
    The profile of the typical internet blogger of extreme views is well known: lonely, single, bitter and still staying in the parental home well into adulthood. The internet is the only way that these pathetic people can make their mark on the world. Go figure.

  • Anonymous

    Joan
     
    I am tired of repeating my gripe with CT. You ask for examples. I will give you some:
     
    They ‘suspected’ a priest in Edinburgh of being homosexual. EditorCT harassed the priest with emails, and eventually threatened to ‘doorstep’ him if he didn’t respond. Is this rational, Christian behaviour?
     
    Is it Christian to constantly expose the faults of others in public? Is there not a biblical decree against this? Did Jesus himself not say, ‘Let he is without sin cast the first stone?’
     
    Petrus repeatedly mocks other Christian religions, as can be seen on this blog. He was once an elder in the Church of Scotland. Is this not hypocrasy at its worst?
     
    They have threatened to ‘out’ priests they suspect of being homosexual.
     
    The conference in Ireland is for like-minded people. Note the other speakers at the conference.
     
    When the CT blog was active, they demonised anyone who argued against their narrow worldview. I was labelled a communist because I objected to Franco’s murderous, evil regime in Spain. Their tactics were puerile and predictable.
     
    I mentioned that they exploit the democracy of the internet to publish their views. The internet allows people like EditorCT to expound their crazy views in a way that was not possible before the advent of the internet. No self-respecting publication would have entertained such views prior tom the internet.
     
    The profile of the typical internet blogger of extreme views is well known: lonely, single, bitter and still staying in the parental home well into adulthood. Go figure.

  • Joan

    I am wondering why you say that about Blessed Jacinta because I think it is true to say that we know what she said through the memoirs of her cousin Sister Lucia.  Blessed Jacinta spoke of purity because she said Our Lady said that “more souls go to hell through sins of impurity than any other sin.”  Jacinta was very much affected by the vision of hell and sacrificed an awful lot so that souls would not go there. The teaching authority of  the Church hasn’t said anything about Fatima. All we have are the opinions of some cardinals and even those have changed, for example when the Pope said at Fatima on his last visit recently that people who say the message of Fatima belongs to the past are deceived.  That turned his previous comment on its head when he said as Cardinal Ratzinger that the message of Fatima referred to the past. Also, you are very wrong to say the secrets of Fatima have been fully revealed – that’s some people’s personal view but no statement about that has ever been made by the teaching authority of the Church and the scholars who have studied all the documents and interviewed top cardinals etc. say the opposite. 

  • Torquemada

    “Was I not aware that these were simply youth rock festivals with the
    Pope as the main celebrity, places where all sorts of dodgy liturgical
    experiments and wholesale immorality took place? Actually, no I wasn’t.”

    Well, Miss Phillips, please allow me to disabuse you of your alleged ignorance. Here is some footage of WYD 2002, with commentary by John Vennari:

    And here is a montage from 2005:

    Note the prevailing atmosphere: rock concert. And what happens when you try to adapt Catholicism to the paganism of a rock concert? You get the charismatic movement. Sadly, there is nothing Catholic about either that movement, or about the atmosphere of WYD.

    Exactly what sort of “faith” is shaped by this, do you suppose?

  • Anonymous

    I’ve just read the Zenit piece and it sounds like an excellent film. Anything that helps us to realise that the people involved in pornography are real people - somebody’s mother, somebody’s daughter – and not just objects for our gratfiication has got to be helpful.

    I was pleased (and would hope Editor CT would be too) to see this line in the interview:

    “Most audience members are also grateful for the fact that we produced a documentary on pornography that is not voyeuristic, sensational or risqué in any way. By focusing on the personal stories of those involved in or affected by pornography, we avoided the need for objectionable material. Instead, we introduced a human element to pornography that gets audience members to emotionally engage and respond to the film.”

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

     CampionsBrag,

    With respect, you are missing the point.  Catholics are supposed to avoid all occasions of sin, and to deal with such  a subject at a supposed spiritual event, when there are young Catholics of all  ages and from all sorts of backgrounds, it is seriously wrong to do anything  that might arouse curiosity in this area.

    I personally know of marriages destroyed by the husband’s addiction to porn  – his curiosity about porn had to have come from somewhere.

    Do you not believe that if young people are taught properly  about purity and chastity (that even in marriage, not everything is allowed) then  “all these things”will take care of themselves?  Nobody EVER spoke to me about porn but I knew enough about purity taught to my in my youth,   to know that – in my adulthood – it would be gravely sinful to look at pornographic images.

    Anyone would think the Church only began in 1962 and was still  in the making. Let’s following the example and wisdom of the saints down the centuries not to mention the teaching (on purity) of Holy  Mother Church/

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     Thanks for these, Torquemada – will view later.

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    Thanks for posting these, especially John Vennari’s video of the Toronto WYD in 2002.  Things are bound to have improved since then, given the much more wholesome moral climate in the world. Right? Yeah, right.

    To repeat the words of the 35 year old mother I quoted earlier, when asked if her children would attend WYD – ” yes, on the day after Hell freezes over.”  I’m sending her the Toronto link to see if it might change her mind.  Even IF Hell freezes over, I doubt very much if she’d send one of her precious children to one of these pagan events.