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Why do Catholics become Anglicans?

We must take a leaf out of the evangelicals’ book in trying to attract people back to Catholic churches

By on Wednesday, 30 November 2011

My last posting about those Catholics who attend Anglican services thinking that they are Catholic services generated rather a lot of comments, one of which gave me pause. I am unable to find this comment in the plethora of contributions, but it was from an Anglican vicar who said that up to half of the congregation in one of his churches consisted of former Roman Catholics.

Indeed this is a recognised phenomenon and I too have come across it: people who swim the Tiber in reverse. We are not talking here of those tourists in London who go to a service in an Anglo-Catholic Anglican Church which they assume is High Mass, but rather those Catholics who live here and who have joined Anglican parishes, effectively becoming ex-Catholics.

Some, I think, would rather like to ignore this trend, or claim that the numbers are too few to be worth talking about; but I think it would make sense to ask ourselves why this happens, and see if there is anything we can do to improve our own parishes, if indeed people are leaving because of dissatisfaction with their parishes.

Here are a few reasons why Catholics become Anglicans, in my experience:

Firstly, marriage, and in recent times, civil partnerships: Because the Anglican church will often bless unions the Catholic Church does not recognise, some people have gone to the vicar for weddings or services of blessing and then stayed with the vicar’s community.

Secondly, aesthetic reasons: I know of some who have decided that their pretty village church with its warm-hearted community is the place where they want to be. Many of these people, in my experience, have not been particularly religious. While they may consider themselves parishioners, they would but infrequently go to the Anglican Church.

Thirdly, church politics: usually when people have a blazing row with the parish priest over the positioning of the hymn board or some other cutting edge matter, they vamoose to another parish. Sometimes, though I have heard of only one case, they storm off “to join the other lot”, as they put it.

Fourthly, female ordination: some Catholic women have left the Church to join the Anglicans so that they can be ordained. Some lay people may have joined the Anglicans because they support female ordination.

The above would all be significant but relatively small groups of people. The single largest phalanx of ex-Catholics, as far as I can gather, as those lukewarm Catholics who have been evangelised by Anglicans and have joined a thriving and lively evangelical congregation. My evidence for this is anecdotal, but my guess is that a place like Holy Trinity Brompton contains a significant number of people who were baptised Catholics, but who have now come to Jesus through the Alpha course. So, what should we do?

Instead of getting hot under the collar, I think we should all agree that there is no substitute for good liturgy and good pastoral practice; and that we should try and make our parishes as welcoming and as friendly as possible. And we should not turn our noses up and providing a good aesthetic experience for the glory of God.

But it must go further. We also need to realise that there has to be sound teaching and sound learning of the doctrine of the faith. And we need to take a leaf out of the book of churches like Holy Trinity Brompton. We have got to be more evangelical. And as I write this, I am conscious of just how much I fail to be sufficiently evangelical. Catholics, and especially Catholic clergy, who scoff at the evangelicals make a huge mistake. We have got a lot to learn from them: their dedication, their sound adherence to the Creeds and the Bible, their strong moral positions, their pastoral planning and methodology, their deep personal faith, all these have much to recommend them.

So, I think we can learn from the Rev Nicky Gumbel; and from St Charles Borromeo too, come to think of it, and the Curé of Ars, and all the other great pastoral saints in our tradition.

  • Adam

    As the great Fr. Hugh Thwaites, SJ said: “he’s never met a person who left the Catholic Church for genuine theological reasons”.

  • Emma

    We need to provide more coffee and tea after Mass and welcome everyone! One of the reasons why Catholics flock to other denominational churches is because of the warm community and fellowship.Also we need to evangelise and explain the faith, as so many Catholics are ignorant of our faith. We need better cathechesis, we need to provide not only RCIA but cathechesis and apologetics’ groups at each parish to invite people to learn more about what we believe in and why. They can learn the Church’s teachings on issues such as sexuality, marriage, chastity and priesthood. We need the Catholic equivalent of Alpha!

    If people truly believed and understood that Jesus Christ is present in the Holy Eucharist physically, body, blood, soul and divinity, would they still flock to evangelical churches that do not have Jesus physically present in person? I wonder if that would convince their hearts to stay with the Catholic church! How much better it is to not only be in the presence of Christ, but to receive Him so intimately into our bodies and souls! To realise that our hearts become one with His! This is the closest thing to heaven on earth. Nothing on earth can compare to this great sacrament of love.

  • Apostolic

    Doubtless most of these apostasise through ignorance of the Faith and a lack of understanding of authority, for Anglicanism was originally contrived to underpin the Elizabethan settlement. It maintained some coherence until the nineteenth century, when its doctrinal elastic was strained to the limits, with Protestant Rome-hating evangelicals at one end and Rome-aping Anglo-Catholics at the other. In between there were those who believed, in the recent words of General Synod representative in York, that Anglicanism meant that you could hold any opinion you liked but not too strongly. The women priests and homosexuality issues have pulled it yet further apart. On key issues, such as how many sacraments there are, not to mention sexuality and marriage, there is no coherence.

    There will nonetheless be those who apostasise for the reasons you mention – women priests etc. Any loss to the Faith is regretable, but on the other hand, they will be happier in a community which conforms to the secular world’s “teaching”, and those remaining behind in the Church founded by Christ will be happier to be allowed to conform to its Founder’s teachings. Everyone will be happier, for sometimes ideologues will never be satisfied. When they realise that on certain issues the Church, including popes, is unable to change the fundamentals of what she has received, some will still leave, as they abandoned Christ when he preached about being the Bread of Life. Betrayal has been built into the life of the Church from the beginning and the evening that Judas left the Last Supper. The Lollards left. The “reformers” left. Now these will leave. Others will leave in the future. A good many will always return, especially when they come to realise that the barque of Peter has a divine guarantee which transcends the frail humanity of her members, and is not dependent on the latest trends in secular opinion.

  • Jeannine

    Those people who leave the Catholic Church for the Anglican one do it for 1 reason. They do not like the Catholic Church’s teachings on 1 or more of the following beliefs: abortion, contraception, marriage, female ordination. I am sure at least 1 of these beliefs affects them personally. 

    One can catechize these people until hell freezes over but if they still believe that sometimes bad acts can be considered good, what’s the point? Anyone familiar with the terms consequentialism or moral relativism, ideas that are embedded in western society?  Yet, these ex-Catholics still like the liturgical practice of the bells, smells & music or else they would gravitate to the other churches w/simpler Sunday liturgies. Ultimately, faithful Catholics need to do 2 things to bring the ex-Catholics back: live their lives faithfully & joyfully & pray, pray, pray as St Monica & St Jean Vianney did & continue to do so.

  • ruidh

    I left the Roman Catholic church because I was excommunicated for marrying a divorced woman. I was forced out and this is the reason for more than a few of the converions I personally know about. That I had more in common with Anglicans theologically was not known to me at the time.

    I also find the “apostate” characterization offensive. I didn’t change my beliefs or my theology. I changed the address I went to on Sunday morning.

  • Anonymous

    Anglicans get their Christianity lite but good fellowship

    Catholics get the Truth but lousy fellowship.

    By the way could the Anglicans please take bishop Nichols
    and a few like him. He seems to have gone off message
    (read William Oddie)
    The swap for some nice Anglican bishop could be made on Tiber Island.

  • Apostolic

    I have know wish to be offensive and only you and God know fully why you have done this, but you would say that you didn’t change you beliefs, wouldn’t you. How else could you justify such a move, which probably your ancestors refused to make even in much more trying circumstances?. Which end of Anglicanism do you identify with, for one end totally contradicts the other? Are there seven sacraments as defined by the Council of Trent, or two as defined by Luther, Cramner et.al.? And who, within the Anglican Communion, has authority to decide when there are disputes about doctrine, for as you must know there are plenty of these on the most fundamental teachings?

  • Apostolic

    PS That should be “no wish” – touch typing..

  • Anonymous

    Now before any one starts complaining I am only specifically speaking in this instance about proclaiming the Word of God (nothing else).

    I don’t think that you would get many converts to Catholicism from the Evangelical Churches and Pentecostal Churches. They would not stand for the sugar coated, watered down message of the gospel presently given in the Catholic Church. The real teaching is in the Catholic Church but you’d never know it was there and this is a disgrace.

    Even the ever knowledgeable and reliable paulpriest has said – if only Joyce Meyer was a Catholic.

    I would go as far to say, if only…..

    Joyce Meyer
    John Kirkpatrick
    John Hagee (yes, I know he’s far from fond of Catholic’s before anyone says it)
    Nathan Morris

    ……were Catholic.

    It would send a massive shock wave through the Church and make people sit up in their pews. Our Church seeems to be scared of speaking the truth. These people speak the truth and their Churches are bulging at the seams.

    However, we do have some notable exceptions in the Catholic Church – David Payne, John Vaughan Neil and Michelle Moran. These are evangelical Catholics who are not scared to speak the truth.

  • Jeannine

    You should not have been excommunicated. Did you receive or go through a formal process?  I advise you to visit your diocesan canon lawyer (most likely works in the diocesan tribunal)  & talk to him/her about the circumstances. He should tell you that you can not receive the Holy Eucharist until your wife’s prior marriage was annulled, assuming she married in a religious ceremony. (If it was a civil ceremony, a little paperwork shuffling & then you can marry in the Catholic Church.) The annulment process is quite humane & compassionate if it is properly explained to the participating individuals.  Once this is done, she is free to marry you in the Catholic Church & all will be right! ———My husband went through 2 annulment processes for me. While waiting for it to conclude, I did not receive Communion for 2 yrs & I was not officially excommunicated although I was not in full communion w/the Church.

    The Catholic Church needs to work on clearing up the annulment misconceptions perceived by the laity & the clerics.

  • Peter Bolton

    And is that an excuse for not caring?

  • Edwards-j18

    I  agree completely. None of the objections which are cited by Father Lucie-Smith have a rational basis; nor do people who hold them appear to have any real grasp of the basic principles of Catholicism. As other correspondents have pointed out,this is the result of inadequate catechesis in home,school and parish.

  • Alexander Lucie-Smith

    People who marry people who have been divorced do not incur the penalty of excommunication. Excommunication is a very serious canonical penalty, and is imposed in certain circumstances – but not with regard to marriage. It is important that people should only use the term in its strict canonical sense.

  • Alexander Lucie-Smith

    This should have been posted in reply to someone below – sorry.

  • Anonymous

    Brilliant article. 

    As a youth worker, I find from time to time that young people are brought deeper into faith by the efforts of myself and my colleagues, only to find a real home for that faith in an evangelical Anglican Church or, more likely, a just-plain-evangelical Church.

    It used to annoy me, but now not so much. For one thing, I reckon that – though clearly not ideal – the fact that these young people are practicing their faith is a great thing. And what’s more, it might actually make the Church look at why we are losing so many young people and raise our game. 

    Maybe.

  • Anonymous

    “We must take a leaf out of the evangelicals’ book in trying to attract people back to Catholic churches”.

    We have an army of evangelical Catholics in the Catholic Church already. They are called charismatics. The trouble is all church hierarchy want ritual and order and I am afraid that when the holy spirit is released the clergy and most Catholics can not deal with what happens i.e. speaking in tongues, going out in the spirit, healings and deliverance.

    Charismatics/Evangelical Catholics, call them what you like – These are the only large group of people in the English Catholic Church today who have fully embraced Church teaching, taken evangelisation seriously and fully understood that there is a holocaust of souls going to hell everyday, whilst most of the Catholic church stands watching gormlessly in a state of paralysis.

    It is quite literally incredible and laughable that most Catholics don’t accept speaking in tongues, going out in the spirit, and healings considering that these are the things that happened at the day of Pentecost i.e. the very first day of the Catholic Church.

  • Apostolic

    On this issue I agree with Jeannine, except that if she found the annulment proceedings humane and compassionate she was fortunate to be living in a particular diocese. If there is one area where drastic reform is urgently needed it is the annulment “process”. For too many it is a diocesan lottery, both within countries and across the English-speaking world in particular. In too many cases, casuistic canon lawyers obstruct legitimate annulments even when, in the Church’s own strict terms, there is a serious case for an annulment  to be granted, which is a profound scandal to many faithful Catholics. I know and, like Jeannine, I speak from experience.Unlike her, as already indicated, I did not have a humane and compassionate canon lawyer in the Tribunal, but found the process legalistic and obstructionist. Indeed, by most standards of alienation, I had every reason to leave the Church. However, I was fortunate enough to have a sympathetic, conservative but not inhumane parish priest who put me in contact with a good canon lawyer. In so far as you may have been alienated for these reasons you have my fullest empathy.

  • Poppy Tupper

    ‘evangelical’ Anglicans are not authentic Anglicans. Let’s forget about them for a minute and consider why a typical higher than middle Anglican parish church tends to have a few ex RCs in it’s congregation. To be honest, it’s because they find the SAME catholic faith not something different. It comes as a pleasant surprise.

  • Alexander Lucie-Smith

    ‘evangelical’ Anglicans are not authentic Anglicans….
    That strikes me as just plain wrong.

  • Mikethelionheart

    When I became a Christian (in an Evangelical church), within 3 Sundays I had about 20 new names and numbers entered into my mobile phone and had started going to a weekly home study group (also known as Bile, cell or network groups), social outings and church courses.
    The faith was made relevant.

    It is possible to go the same Catholic church for years on end and not know a single person there.

    Fortunately for me, my decision to go to the Catholic Church was based on a year’s study of the Early Church and not on how I was made to feel by others during (or after) mass.
    I joined a Catholic church and formed my own fortnightly cell-group and got to meet other Catholics.

    An enormous portion of people who attend the 2 Catholic churches in Chester city centre are Catholics who have left the church for Evangelical style churches (which is a far bigger problem than those leaving for Anglicanism)  and have then come back to the true church.

    These people are bringing with them a huge amount of energy and experience that are helping to transform God’s church.

  • Joe

    All due respect, that is a ridiculous statement.
    Sure, some people swim to satisfy shallow consumerist tendencies, but
    many of us have real, deeply held theological issues with the teachings of the
    church of our Baptism and have sacrificed much to follow our consciences.

    In fact, this whole article seems to ignore the
    possibility that many well informed, earnest Christians see in the RCC an organization
    that has turned the great sign posts of the faith into hitching posts. Many of
    us simply believe that the RCC has a number of things wrong, and since there is
    no way in their theology to ever even consider this possibility, we have
    chosen…not happened…but CHOSEN to journey in another company.

  • Mikethelionheart

    Should be Bible-group, not Bile-group.
    Although there was a lot of ignorant, anti-Catholic bile spouted during them.

  • Apostolic

    It is indeed “plain wrong”. Evangelical Anglicans would be recognisable doctrinally if not liturgically to Cramner, Latimer and Ridley. Anglo-Catholics would have horrified them and they would have wondered why they bothered.

    PS Note misuse (twice) of the possessive suffix – “it’s”= “it is”, “its”= “belonging to it”.

  • Rosie

    Anchor and Echoes are marvellous parish resources from the Maryvale Institute, and CTS has a wealth of affordable reading. It may be that those individual parishioners have to be encouraged to devote time for researching areas of particular interest/difficulty.

  • Alexander Lucie-Smith

    It is possible to go the same Catholic church for years on end and not know a single person there.

    I have heard that so often….. and Nicky Gumbel rightly says that Christian friends will keep you Christian.

  • https://openid.org/locutus LocutusOP

    “Those people who leave the Catholic Church for the Anglican one do it
    for 1 reason. They do not like the Catholic Church’s teachings on 1 or
    more of the following beliefs: abortion, contraception, marriage, female
    ordination. I am sure at least 1 of these beliefs affects them
    personally. ”

    Is it really a bad thing that people who are not prepared to follow the decrees of the Church, or that those who would wish to invent their own Gospel leave the church?

    The way I see it, there are 2 options: Either they stay and corrupt the church from within (as many are trying to do, including, it seems, at least a certain archbishop) or leave and allow us to fight the spiritual battles as a united church. That way at least we have a chance of being “the light of the world.”

    Anyone is free to reject God or leave the church at any time. In fact,
    if we have reached out to them and they have still rejected the word of
    God, I am of the mind that we should encourage (dare I write, push?)
    them to leave, while praying for their return, naturally.

    It’s sad that people are willing to turn their back on God, but there is only room in the Church for those who wish to seek out holiness. 

  • Anonymous

    Thats an easy one. The true, narrow ,road is too hard for them. Understandable I suppose. But as Our Lord says the road to eternal life is a narrow one.

  • chiaramonti

    One is reminded of the comment of the Parish Priest (played by Ward Bond) in “The Quiet Man” (played by John Wayne) to the Squire (Victor Mclaglen) following a bit of a barny in the pub between John Wayne and himself.  The priest threatened to “read his name in the Mass on Sunday,” if he refused to shake Wayne’s hand. ‘I’ll join the Church of Ireland first,’ responded the Squire. ‘As if they’d have you,’ said the priest! Of course the Anglicans will have us if we want to go there but all I know who have taken that path have done so because in their personal lives they have declined to follow (usually because of marrying a dvorced person) a particular requirement of the Church and cannot accept that they are in the ‘wrong’ not the Church.

  • Noel

    As a Catholic, a group of our local Catholic Parishioners joined with the Anglican and Uniting Church congregations here in Australia to undertake the ALPHA Course.  This was a turning point for many in that it showed how much in common we had with one another.  We did, however, compliment this with an additional segment called “Catholic Alpha” and for many was a renewal of our Catholicity.  It also brought the different communties together in a spirit of friendship and oneness that is so desperately needed between our churches yet at the same time maintaining our separatedness.  We have to cross the bridge and see and yet be able to cross back again.

  • Poppy Tupper

    Well you could have had Hind, Langrish and Nazir Ali if the whole Ordinariate thing had been played properly. Instead you got the comedy club of Burnham, Broadhurst and Barnes – to whom you are very welcome!

  • Anonymous

    Would agree that we can learn a great deal from the Rev Nicky Gumbel, especially about how to evangelize and teach the Christian faith. Wonder if there’s any chance of him becoming a Catholic?

  • Poppy Tupper

    That’s because it was sent from an i-phone, Mr Creepy Weirdo.
    ‘Evangelicalism’ is not ‘evangelical’ and is a distortion of the faith handed down from the apostles.

  • Poppy Tupper

    Those ‘Evangelical’ churches are usually extremely manipulative and result often in destroying peoples’ faith altogether unless they can be rescued by proper Christianity. So don’t you be so complacent. Look at where they are – the affluent suburbs. Look at their demographic make-up – young middle-class youths, and well-off professionals, who, as soon as they lose their income or health, lose their ‘faith’ as well.

  • Poppy Tupper

    He was one – a Maronite – but lapsed.

  • Inquisator

    One could argue that this is exactly the same demographic make-up which constitutes the vast number of attendees at Latin Mass Society and other traditional ;atin-based liturgies. 

  • Alexander Lucie-Smith

    That is not the case…..he was baptised Anglican; his father was of Jewish origin. So he says in the Alpha course videos.

  • Apostolic

    As regards evangelicalism, Cramner, Latimer and Ridley
    would certainly not agree, but there is no need to be so rude and angry. If you
    have tight shoes or ingrowing toenails, as seems likely, you should find a good
    chiropodist and you should feel much better.

     

    You seem so ungrateful. In pointing out these errors I
    was trying to do you a favour and spare you further humiliation. I had noticed
    quite a number of grammatical errors in the past and out of charity I thought that readers
    might well make the obvious connection between these and your manifest lack of knowledge of the history of the CofE, never mind
    Catholicism. Moreover, these errors seemed particularly embarrassing for you in this year
    of commemoration of the King James Bible and it impact on evolution the English
    language. I thought it might be helpful to point these out because
    you had been so ready to use throw about terms such as “thicko” and “weirdo”
    and to mock people who have asperger syndrome, as well as those who eat spaghetti. We
    know it is difficult for you. Hardly anyone seems to visit your ornately sad “Apologia pro..”
    website, even though you must have used a good proof reader this time and it is a marked improvement on
    its scurrilous predecessor. Still, you should not use the Catholic Herald as an
    outlet for those tendencies. It must get lonely indeed when you are hunched over your
    computer and I can understand why you might want to find some company at the
    Catholic Herald. Still, that is no excuse for bad manners. Do please try to be more courteous. 

  • Anonymous

    The institutional CC dreads anything it thinks it cannot control. That is one of its basic problems. To be able to control things may be all-important if one is a consul commanding legions against enemies of the Roman state or Empire, but it is woefully inadequate for governing a Church, or any part of it. The Church may be Roman – but how Christian is it in its thinking & conduct ? AFAICS, evangelisation is never ended, but ever-continuing, everywhere.

  • ruidh

    I don’t find these as urgent questions. Salvation is not found in believing correct doctrine.

  • Anonymous

    “‘evangelical’ Anglicans are not authentic Anglicans.”

    ## Charles Simeon, William Wilberforce, and many others, would disagree. Bishop J. C. Ryle of Liverpool was an Anglican & bishop & an Evangelical. The late, great, John Stott – another  evangelical Anglican. James Packer – ditto. George Carey is another: Archbishops of Canterbury have to be Anglican. His predecessor J. B. Sumner was another ‘evangelical’ Anglican. The list goes on…and on…and on. And evangelical Anglicanism has been around for at least 200 years – it’s a development of the Protestant/Reformed strain in Anglicanism. As Reformed Protestantism is evangelical, very concerned with Christian holiness, true doctrine, the Bible, godly worship, & with what the Puritans called “experimental [= experiential] religion”, these concerns eventually came to the fore in Anglicanism.

  • ruidh

    I was told in no uncertain terms by a priest that I should not present myself for communion or confession. It’s been almost 30 years now. there’s no going back. At the time, as a recently graduated college student, the expense of an annulment was not affordable.

    Jesus said to Peter “Feed my sheep.” I was not fed, so I found somewhere I was fed.

  • Alcuin

    Again, a decent article that refuses to look at the elephant in the room, which is that Christianity in its Catholic, Anglican, and Protestant forms emasculates men. Effective evangelization must see masculinity and men as good things, rather than as obstacles. The slow, constant Islamification of Western countries is largely due to the fact that Islam respects male-female complementarity. Islam respects masculinity, in other words.

  • WSquared

    Yep.  “Theological differences” arise in short order because every single one of those beliefs will affect the way they view the Body and Blood of Christ.

  • WSquared

    Agreed up to a point.  Catholic orthodoxy does not emasculate men in the slightest. 

  • Apostolic

    In that case either you have changed your beliefs and your theology, or you were not instructed correctly as a Catholic in the first place. Having had a priest so lacking in compassion and pastoral care must not have helped either.

  • Guest

    My historical guess is that modern Evangelicals are much like 18nth Century Methodists–who were Anglicans after all. Anglo-catholics are a mid 19nth Century phenomenon who tried to imagine a Via Media based upon a few writings of the Caroline divines whose own policies were shortlived and more theoretical than ever realized. The Romantic movement helped too. The people who have really disappeared in the C of E, apart from HMQ, are the old fashioned mattins going low church crowd. I feel sorriest for them because they have nowhere to go.  

    I can’t speak with great authority or experience, but almost every single Catholic to Anglican I have met has said that he or she made the shift because of some marital difficulty or sexual issue. One or two did switch because their local A/C Church had preserved a more Catholic style of worship than their Catholic parish, and they missed the kneeling communion and eastward position. And,especially among the post V2 generation there have been some who are unaware of the theological differences.  But I don’t think one should exaggerate the point. It’s more likely that a Catholic will give up religion altogether than become an Anglican, and we mustn’t forget that the Evangelicals have a very high turnover rate. 

  • Apostolic

    Well summarised. Anglo-Catholics have never been more than a party in the CofE, and a comparatively recent one at that. The CofE has always defined itself primarily as a Protestant body, from the Coronation Oath of its Supreme Governor downwards, and even the Monarch doubles as a Presbyterian when s/he is in Scotland, whose established church s/he also swears to uphold, even though s/he is not head of it, but s/he is represented by a Lord High Commissioner. This CofE-Presbyterian anything-but-Roman fudge has been at the heart of the Protestant Constitution for centuries. To ignore the historic Protestant self-definition of the CofE is simply a matter of self-delusion.

  • Sue

    I was an extremely committed Roman Catholic,not a fringe Catholic and I didn’t take the decision I made 27 years ago lightly. I became an Anglican after coming back from the missionary church abroad where community was strong and people meant the prayers they were saying, to a church where there was no community, people frowned upon you if you actually looked like you meant what you were saying, and then everyone rushed out before the last hymn. My friend invited me to her church to hear her choir, and there I found everything that was missing from the several RC churches I had tried to find a home amongst .The presence of God could be felt extremely strongly in that place as people really meant the words they said and sang, prayers were answered, and Jesus made it perfectly clear to me that He was truly present in the Eucharist. Years later God called me to the priesthood, but that wasn’t why I became an Anglican, although I suspect it was part of God’s plan all along. But I still very much value my Catholic school upbringing, which helped me deepen my faith in so many ways. 

  • Anonymous

    David Payne is the Catholic equivalent of Nicky Gumbel. He is now the leader of Cafe – Catholic Faith Exploration. It is obviously a bit more low key than the Alpha Course but they provided about 15 courses that run over 6 weeks with DVD’s and other resources. The quality is as good as Alpha (but obviously Caters for the Catholic Church), but just not as widely known about. 

    David is also an excellent and inspirational speaker and writer who normally speaks at Charismatic Conferences such as Celebrate.

  • Anonymous

    David Payne is the Catholic equivalent of Nicky Gumbel. He is now the
    leader of Cafe – Catholic Faith Exploration. It is obviously a bit more
    low key than the Alpha Course but they provided about 15 courses that
    run over 6 weeks with DVD’s and other resources. The quality is as good
    as Alpha (but obviously Caters for the Catholic Church), but just not as
    widely known about. 

    David is also an excellent and
    inspirational speaker and writer who normally speaks at Catholic
    Conferences such as Celebrate.