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The battle to vindicate Pius XII is being won

The changes at Yad Vashem show that the black legend against the wartime pontiff is on the way out

By on Wednesday, 4 July 2012

Part of the display about Pope Pius XII at Yad Vashem, Israel's national Holocaust memorial (AP photo)

Part of the display about Pope Pius XII at Yad Vashem, Israel's national Holocaust memorial (AP photo)

There was an interesting little item on Rome Reports for 2 July. It seems that Holocaust museum at Yad Vashem in Israel has slightly modified its caption in a panel about Pope Pius XII, which was included in 2005 when the new museum was inaugurated.

Flanked by two photos of Pius XII, the caption then stated, “In 1933, when he was secretary of the Vatican state, he was active in obtaining a concordat with the German regime to preserve the Church’s rights in Germany, even if this meant recognizing the Nazi racist regime. When he was elected Pope in 1939, he shelved a letter against racism and anti-Semitism that his predecessor had prepared. Even when reports about the murder of Jews reached the Vatican, the Pope did not protest verbally or in writing. In December 1942, he abstained from signing the Allied declaration condemning the extermination of the Jews. When Jews were deported from Rome to Auschwitz, the Pope did not intervene. The Pope maintained his neutral position throughout the War, with the exception of appeals to the rulers of Hungary and Slovakia towards the end…”

Read as they stand, these are damning charges. But as of July 1, there is now a slight but significant modification to the caption. The revised text, although still including the point of view of his critics, now adds that according to his supporters the Holy Father’s neutrality “prevented harsher measures against the Vatican and the Church’s institutions throughout Europe, thus enabling a considerable number of secret rescue activities to take place at different levels in the Church.” The Holy See’s apostolic nuncio to Israel, Mgr Antonio Franco, described the change as a “positive evolution”; the text had moved from condemnation to “an evaluation.” The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, added that the new caption also states, “Until all relevant material is available to scholars, this topic will remain open to further inquiry.”

Significantly, the negative phrase “did not intervene” has also been changed to “did not publicly protest”. The Church has always maintained there was a good reason for this: if the Pope had been more outspoken and critical of the Nazis it would have led to more savage reprisals against the Jews – as happened when the Dutch bishops made their own protest. According to his defenders (who have always included a number of Jewish scholars and historians, as well as influential public figures such as the late Israeli prime minister, Golda Meir) Pius XII had to endure a “martyrdom of silence” while doing everything in his power behind the scenes to save thousands of Jewish lives in Europe through the work of papal nuncios and religious orders.

Although the Vatican archives of the Pius XII era are not due to be opened to outside historians until 2014, Fr Federico Lombardi SJ, the director of the Vatican press office, has made it clear that everything there is to know is already known. In other words, when further documentation comes to light it will simply provide more evidence of the Pope’s rescue work, rather than discover any lurking skeletons. According to a spokeswoman for Yad Vashem, the revisions to the caption followed new research, in part based on opening up the archive of Pope Pius XI.

What is noteworthy is Israel’s willingness to re-examine old positions in the light of new findings and then to make tentative steps to setting the record straight towards a Pope who has been unjustly maligned. I have blogged on this subject before and believe that history will eventually vindicate Pius XII.

  • teigitur

    I agree Ms Phillips, and thank you for this posting.

  • http://www.catholicyouthwork.com Catholic Youth Work

    Good article. The commonly accepted line about Pius XII certainly seems to be one of the most stupid stereotypes out there!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Wigmore/61311392 Stephen Wigmore

    I would certainly not say that Pius XII was blameless in his conduct relating to the Nazis.  On balance I believe that given the circumstances at the time he could have taken considerably more action, especially earlier on before War actually broke out.

    That said, the previous caption does seem to be vastly unnecessarily harsh.  Pius certainly did undertake a large amount of work to save thousands of people from the Nazis, and made considerable efforts behind the scenes to intervene in countries in occupied Europe. This large and extremely positive work should definitely be acknowledged as well as any criticisms, even if on balance you believe the Pope could and should have done more. 
    In the end Pius was a decent man trying to walk a terribly dangerous tightrope in extremely difficult circumstances.  You don’t have to think he always got it right to recognise his fundamental decency and the good he did do.  I also think that those of us who have been fortunate to not have to live through such terrible times should be cautious before we condemn the choices of those who did.  We don’t know how we would have acted because we have not been there.

  • http://twitter.com/Jeanabella Jeanabella

    The Catholic Church has proven over the centuries to be a conglomerate interested in self preservation & not in the real teachings of Jesus Christ!
     I’m disgusted with the present day hierarchy since Pope John 23rd.as they continue to coverup their criminal activity regarding criminal assault on minors & hiding truth from the law! The faithful deserve an honest church. Follow the scandal of the Vatican Bank for only one example of church and it’s egotistical mind set. 

  • Hughes196

     What action or actions do you think the pope could have taken? I rather doubt anyone in Europe could have anticipated the Holocaust. Has everyone forgotten that Golda Meir declared a national day of mourning the day Pius XII died? The Church and Catholics in general did more than anyone else to save Jews. Why does everyone prefer to believe in the infamous myth of “Hitler’s Pope”?

  • paulpriest

     Damning with faint praise and excusing equivocation eh?!

    Tell you what Sir – please don’t waste your time trying to defend His Holiness of blessed memory.

    He doesn’t need your help – and certainly wouldn’t want it.

    It might help if instead of commenting on the subject – you actually went off and discovered exactly what Pius XII did – instead of presuming you know from garnering snippets over the years – and then you can adjudicate with some clarity and discernment.

    I’ve been just as guilty – trying to defend what I thought was indefensible because of the awkwardness of the ‘nazi pope’ factor and terrified the more I read the less I’d be able to defend  the shadow on Church history….

    Well I took the leap and discovered that virtually everything I’d been told was a lie – it wasn’t true – and instead the diammetrically opposite was the truth…

    It’s how great deceptions work – convince everyone that they wouldn’t want to know the whole depraved truth behind the rumours and scandals…when in actual fact if we were brave enough to take a look behind the curtain we’d find that the allegations and indictments aren’t true in the first place! Most were invented after 1970!

  • Nesbyth

    What has this to do with this article?

  • theroadmaster

    If one was to chart on a graph the beginning of the catastrophic fall of the reputation of the war-time Pontiff, Pius X11, with regards to Church efforts(or supposed lack of them) to save members of the beleaguered Jewish populations in nazi-occupied countries, one can plot the linear descent from the time that the “black legend” was promulgated in the play “The Deputy” Rolf Hochhuth in 1963.  This infamous piece of work was heavily influenced by the propaganda that emanated from the Romanian communist secret service, who had infiltrated the inner sanctums of the Vatican.  Consequently they were able to spread their distortions to deliberately discredit Pius X11 in order to weaken Church efforts to resist the oppressive communist regimes that were present across Eastern Europe in the aftermath of the war years.   It is only within the last decade or more, that material unearthed in the Vatican archives, is coming through to a wider global audience, through the sterling work of such figures as Gary Krupp, the founder of the non-profit Pave Th Way Foundation in 2002.  He explained in recent interviews that as a Jewish kid, growing up in the US, he had a very negative and hostile view of the war-time pope.  But he radically revised his attitude after much patient research using first hand historical sources in the Vatican archives and elsewhere, which revealed to him that Pius X11 was the complete antithesis of the sullen, silent pope who left the Jewish people to their fate.  In fact, he was instrumental in a lot of initiatives behind the scenes to save Jewish lives and estimates put the number that he was involved in saving at around 860,000.  It could be argued reasonably that this Pontiff and his Church collaborators done more to save Jewish lives than the whole of the Allied leaders combined.  The tide is turning in favor of Pius X11 and even though his critics will argue that he could have done a lot more, he did achieve amazing things, even in his position as a virtual prisoner within the Vatican walls.

  • theroadmaster

    Have you anything of interest to comment on this article?

  • Jeannine

    Thank you for mentioning Pave the Way Foundation. It is easiest accessing their database on the primary sources related to Pius XII than anywhere else.

  • Parasum

    “Although the Vatican archives of the Pius XII era are not due to be opened to outside historians until 2014, Fr Federico Lombardi SJ, the director of the Vatican press office, has made it clear that everything there is to know is already known.”

    ## Even bearing the next sentence in mind, this seems an illogical assertion: for if there is no ascertained knowledge of mammoths from prehistoric Surrey, how can one say for sure that mammoths from prehistoric Surrey did not exist ?

    “In other words, when further documentation comes to light it will simply provide more evidence of the Pope’s rescue work, rather than discover any lurking skeletons.”

    ## So although the knowledge is not yet known, its content can be known ? How ?  Evaluating the facts before they are all known is what prejudice consists in. Defending the good name of the Pope is less important that finding out the full and honest truth.

    “I have blogged on this subject before and believe that history will eventually vindicate Pius XII.”

    ## That is not what the study of history, or the facts it preserves or relates, is for. The study of history is – or it should be – concerned with finding out what happened and the details & inter-connections of this; not with vindicating, or with proving wrong, anything or anyone. If the facts should result in vindicating his good name, excellent; if not, so be it.

    *Presumably* “history” in the sentence quoted is short-hand for “the facts of history”; C. S. Lewis has a very good essay, “Historicism”, in which he distinguishes no fewer than six meanings of the word “history”.

  • Nat_ons

    Sadly Yad Vashem has all the proofs it needs of Pius XII’s genuine, sincere and active support in helping the Jews with more than self-satisfying and world-pleasing gestures at a time of greatest danger to himself (let alone Jews and Catholics among others). What it lacks is the political courage to face down an utterly irrational hostility to a hyped-up hate figure, much as many had not the courage to face down the Nazi hatreds toward the Jews .. unlike Eugenio Pacelli (apparently its own archives show he had appealed to the German Kaiser to ensure the welfare of the Jews in Ottoman Palestine in 1917 .. considering the fate of the Armenians). The Jerusalem Post had not the slightest doubt that Pius XII and the church in communion with him truly was involved in resisting Nazi horrors, condemning them where best able, and specifically ‘endeavoured constantly to assist in all these matters to the measure of its possibilities’ .. while the UN debated with distant sympathy on future retribution and the secure Government of the US of A was doing everything possible to make the world safe for Jews and all men (other than opening its borders to the mass migration of these horrifically brutalised souls): Tuesday, December 01, 1942, Palestine Post, ‘Appeal To Stay The Butcher’s Hand’.

    http://www.jpress.org.il/Default/Skins/TAUEn/Client.asp?Skin=TAUEn&enter=true&sPublication=VDC&Publication=VDC&Hs=advanced&AW=1341455653433&AppName=2

  • Lewispbuckingham

     Recently I saw posted in the blogsphere the allegation, or statement as fact, that the pope had supported the invasion of Iraq.This is a lie.
     Perhaps some unknown ‘celebrity’ playwright of the future will show ‘how’ this ‘happened’,and explain that, but for this, the Christians in Iraq would be still living in peace.

  • grandpaguam

    No!  Pope Pius XII could have saved six million Jews if he had threatened excommunication to Nazis who were practicing Catholics.  He did no such thing.  Many top Nazi Officials and large number of lower ranking Nazis were practicing Catholics.  They could and did attend mass and receive the sacraments even though they were participating in genocide.  Sure Pope Pius XII saved some Jewish lives here-and-there but this was to “hedge-his-bets” in a war whose outcome was far from certain.  After the war many Nazi war criminals eluded justice and escaped to South America through the Vatican-run “rat-line” that used monasteries as “safe-houses”.  All this information is available on the internet.  Google it yourself.

  • daclamat

    And many a Nazi reached save haven when it was all over.

  • daclamat

    Did you by any chance read the article and blogs in this most catholic of news papers saying that Christians would be in for it if al Bashir got the heave-ho? The much condemned Amnesty International, anathemtised by our bishops, has revealed the scale of torture going on in Syria. No mention in these columns, content with the usual parish pump gushings, flavoured with vitriol.

  • srdc

    It’s speculation without actual documentation. The actual excommunication documents have been posted on Pave the Way Foundation.

    http://ptwf.org/vatican_docs_register.aspx

  • schmenz

    There is no battle to be won.  The accusations against him regarding the Jewish situation are ridiculous on their face and unworthy of serious comment. 

    If you want to accuse Pius of anything in that regard it is that he worked far harder to save Jews than he did to save his fellow Christians.  I will leave it to competent historians to figure that one out, because I cannot.

  • Newie1975

         Folks its a scary world, especially when its the Vatican that was behing the whole dam thing, behind most of the wost thing that have ever been done to any one human being..They have been corrupted now now since days of old. God says this this very clearly..
       
          Whom do you folks think found their perfect little soldier to do the deed they wanted done. I meen the Catholic Church can not massacre with their own hands, no no no.. Hittler can take the blame. Simply put, Hittler was nothing more than a pon their nasty weapon, that they put into play on the chess board. Project Vatican,

         Paying attention to the priest from then, fallow the time table to the present day…Absolute not a doubt, Evil has corrupted and infiltrated its way into every level of every Gov, Religion, Society, ect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

  • wildjew

    I think the initial statement is fine. Apologists for the Vatican are ruthless (many Church leaders were complicit with the Nazis in their unspeakable crimes; in the Final Solution, so what do you expect?) in destroying their critics and intimidating them into backing down. They did it with Catholic author / journalist, John Cornwell, author of “Hitler’s Pope.” The following is how the Yad Vashem statement read before it was apparently altered slightly: 

    “In 1933, when he was Secretary of the Vatican State, he was active in obtaining a Concordat with the German regime to preserve the Church’s rights in Germany, even if this meant recognizing the Nazi racist regime. When he was elected Pope in 1939, he shelved a letter against racism and anti-Semitism that his predecessor had prepared. Even when reports about the murder of Jews reached the Vatican, the Pope did not protest either verbally or in writing. In December 1942, he abstained from signing the Allied declaration condemning the extermination of the Jews. When Jews were deported from Rome to Auschwitz, the Pope did not intervene. The Pope maintained his neutral position throughout the war, with the exception of appeals to the rulers of Hungary and Slovakia towards its end. His silence and the absence of guidelines obliged Churchmen throughout Europe to decide on their own how to react.” 

    The fact that Pius XI signed the Concordat does not mitigate the fact that Eugenio Pacelli as Vatican Secretary negotiated the agreement with Nazi Germany, nor the fact that Pacelli as pope minimized the atrocities the Nazis were committing and refused mention either the Nazis or Hitler or the Jews. He was a moral coward!

  • wildjew

    Phillips (C.H.) wrote: “now (the statement) adds that according to his supporters the Holy Father’s neutrality “prevented harsher measures against the Vatican and the Church’s institutions throughout Europe, thus enabling a considerable number of secret rescue activities to take place at different levels in the Church.”

    The point is, this religious leader fell virtually silent in the face of a great moral evil.  Neutrality and silence in the face of evil is a great evil.  It is moral cowardice.  It is appalling.

  • srdc

    Pave the way foundation has actual historical documents. You simply choose to buy lies and ignore the evidence. Speculation is not fact.

  • wildjew

    Actual historic documents asserting what?  There are lots of great authors, historians and scholars that have exhaustively studied the record of this failed man.  I have several of them.  Pius’ record of silence and moral cowardice is clear and it speaks volumes except to partisans and apologists.

  • No More NO!

    Not only can Satan NOT compose a decent tune –  he obviously can’t spell either!

    However, – it appears he can TYPE  - to a degree…………

    Satan!  Remove yourself from this Blog.  You are lowering the tone of the place.

  • srdc

     John Cornwell, is not a historian or scholar.  He’s a failed Jesuit with an axe to grind.  You might want to try Sir Gilbert Martin, Rabbi Dalin, The Palestine Post archives,  and many other eye-witness accounts.

    Take a look at this.

    http://www.ptwf.org/Projects/Education/Pope%20Pius%20XII%20Videos.htm

  • wildjew

    I don’t care what you think of Cornwell or whether he has an agenda.  Who doesn’t have an agenda?  No question Cornwell’s work is more polemical than others I have on my book shelf.  Properly so.  Sir Martin Giblert (I have some of his books on Israel, WWII, righteous gentiles, etc.) I consider a lefty / an apologist for leftist causes.  I would not trust Gilbert when it comes exercising critical judgment, especially with respect to the Jews and Israel.  I’ve got his book, “Israel, a History.”  

    Gilbert is a close friend of Shimon Peres.  Peres has much innocent Jewish blood on his hands by means of his reckless efforts to make peace with mass-murderers, racists, anti-Semites.  This is Gilbert’s friend who helps him with his work.  “Rabbi” David Dalin is an apologist for the Vatican plain and simple.  He 
    a professor of history and politics at Ave Maria University, in Florida; enough said.  

    I’ve got several accomplished historians on Pope Pius X!!.  The record is clear except to idolaters.

  • No More NO!

    By your leave I will direct you elsewhere for the vocalisation of your propaganda.  Try peddling your own particular brand of anti-Catholic bigotry to those misguided souls who are gullible and  likely to be hoodwinked -.  perhaps to the online comments section of the Times? – or maybe add your voice to those who usually write for the Tabloids - Either, are likely to welcome you with open arms.

    Seriously,  the only support you are likely to muster HERE is from ill-informed souls who Satan has directed here to throw more Sulphur at Pope Pius XII.  It is NOT working – Please go away – to accuse a person you do not know (John XXIII) is pretty unwise, and slandering a Holy person’s reputation – when you can not POSSIBLY know for sure that such condemnation is justifiable is even MORE perilous.  You are committing serious sin and leaving yourself open to Divine Judgement.Even if he WAS guilty, Christ urges us to forgive.  But he is NOT, – so the crime you are partaking in is likely to be considered far worse in Christ’s eyes. HE is our Judge – you are just  unwise enough to view yourself as above His law.

  • srdc

    Everybody you disagree with is an apologist for the Vatican.  I don’t care if you think I am an idolator or not. Just take a look at the link with eye-witness accounts.

    http://www.ptwf.org/Projects/Education/PPXII%20Articles%20and%20Interveiws.htm

    Gold Mier, the then chief Rabbi of Palestine, The World Jewish Congress, Albert Einstein and tons of more people alive at that time.

  • srdc

    The Professor who was appointed by the Argentine government to study it’s post war sheltering of wart criminals had this to say.

    In Spanish
    http://www.ptwf.org/Downloads/Sanfilippopaperceana.pdf

    In English

    http://dspace.unitus.it/bitstream/2067/24/1/sanfilippo_ratlines.htm

  • srdc

    The Professor who was appointed by the Argentine government to study it’s post war sheltering of wart criminals had this to say.In Spanish
    http://www.ptwf.org/Downloads/…In Englishhttp://dspace.unitus.it/bitstr…

  • wildjew

    Yes, I know about those commended Pius after the war.  We Jews have our share of great politicians, scientists, rabbis, etc., but when it comes to exercising good judgement we have Jewish leaders who can be very foolish. 

    For a few years, I was active in our local pro-life movement.  Most of the activists were Catholic for obvious reasons.  Our local priest is very outspoken pro-life.  When I would go out to the abortion mill to stand side by side my Catholic neighbors, often one would hand me some pamphlet or a paper written by a Pope Pius XII apologist.  I went to the pro-life meetings in the Church library.  I saw where they had a book on the shelf written by an author critical of Church history, especially the pope’s historic treatment of the Jews.  I give the priest credit for having such a book in the library but there was a warning inside the dust jacket about the author and his motives.

    Look srdc, this thing might not be a major issue with me if the Vatican and the popes (I am not talking about  Pope John XXIII, Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli) were not on the side of Israel’s and the God of Israel’s enemies to this day; on the side of Jesus’ enemies.  

    Did you read about the 2010 Vatican Synod on largely Muslim persecution of Christians in the Middle East?

    Archbishop Cyril Bustros: “The theme of the Promised Land cannot be used as a basis to justify the return of the Jews to Israel and the expatriation of the Palestinian (Muslims).”We Christians cannot speak of the ‘Promised Land’ as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. THIS PROMISE WAS NULLIFIED BY CHRIST (emphasis mine). There is no longer a chosen people — all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.”

    Here take a look at this. Why is Pope Benedict on the side of God’s enemies, against God’s people? Why is he against Jesus?http://frontpagemag.com/2012/giulio-meotti/exposing-the-vatican-islam-alliance/

  • srdc

    We Catholics have Bishops who cannot agree with each other!

    Everybody’s political and personal views are not official church teaching.  A good question would be is why is this Eastern Bishop quoting bad theology, when the official view is obvious in the Catechism?

    You have to remember that Catholicism has official teachings. 

    You can’t just read your personal or political views into any religious text.

  • wildjew

    This Archbishop Bustros was one of the leading Bishops at the Synod srdc.  Maybe you are right, Bustros was only expressing his personal theological point of view.  But with the pope preding, here is one of the official statements of the Synod:

    “The second challenge comes from the outside, namely, political conditions, security in our countries and religious pluralism.
    “We have evaluated the social situation and the public security in all our countries in the Middle East.  We have taken account of the impact of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on the whole region…..

    “Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable.”

    In other words the children of Israel are in our God-given Holy Land according to all the prophets in the Bible (do you think Pope Benedict has ever read the ancient prophets?) and the Vatican / the pope takes the side of jihadists (God’s enemies) that want to obliterate Israel.Have you read the second Psalm?  I might ask Benedict why he is taking counsel against the LORD and against His anointed?” The Jerusalem Post and others urged the pope to “Speak Up.” 

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=192753

    Pope Benedict did not speak up.  

    He stood by the anti-Israel, anti-Semitic Synod as well as its leaders.

  • srdc

    The Vatican did speak up.”

    In a message aired by Vatican Radio Oct. 25, the Vatican spokesman aimed to deflate the controversy.
    He said the final message is “the only common written text approved by the synod,” and that the “great richness and variety of contributions given” by those participating in the synod  “must not be considered on their own as the voice of the synod as a whole

    .”http://catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=38883

  • wildjew

    Here, from the piece you sent:

    “The Vatican drew fire from the Israeli government for allegedly turning the recent Synod for the Middle East into a “forum for political attacks.” Vatican spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, downplayed the criticism, which was lodged by Israel’s deputy foreign minister. Father Lombardi said the Synod was “largely positive” and that the statements of individual participants did not reflect the overall consensus of the synod.”

    But I quoted from the text of the Synod itself whereby Vatican said (Israel’s, i.e., the Almighty God’s) .Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable.”

    Who is this Pope Benedict that he spits in the face of God’s anointed?

  • srdc

    Did you read the article.

    “Tensions flared in response to a statement from one synod participant, Melkite Archbishop Cyrille Salim Bustros of Newton, Mass.”

    It was NOT the Pope who said this. The Vatican clarified that the Bishop’s views were not the general consensus of the Synod.

    Relax, Dude. It’s like you are out on a witch hunt.

  • wildjew

    The following is the voice of one who was around then.  Will you take her voice seriously?

    Settimia Spizzichino, the sole Roman Jewish woman survivor from the death camps. Speaking in a BBC interview in 1995 she said.”1 came back from Auschwitz on my own. . I lost my mother, two sisters and one brother. Pius XII could have warned us about what was going to happen. We might have escaped from Rome and joined the partisans. He played right into the Germans’ hands. It all happened right under his nose. But he was an anti-Semitic pope, a pro-German pope. He didn’t take a single risk. And when they say the Pope is like Jesus Christ, it is not true. He did not save a single child.”

  • wildjew

    I quoteddirectly from the Synodabout Israel (in the Vatican’s view) not being able to justify defending herselfbased on the Bible. This is anti-Semitism.  Don’t tell me to relax.  You are an apologist for evil doers, are you not?

  • srdc

    You quoted the views of one of the participants. I am sorry if you just cannot tell the difference.

  • srdc

    In that case, why did the then chief Rabbi of Rome hold a different view?

  • wildjew

    I quoted directly from the Synod text. Why are you so dishonest?

    “We have taken account of the impact of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on the whole region…..Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable….”

     
    » 10/23/2010 12:55VATICAN – MIDDLE EASTSynod for the Middle East: a Message to the People of God Approved at the end of the synod assemblies, the text (presented here in full) is rich in ideas: the sad political situation in the Middle East, and the fatigue of Churches, emigration and the Diaspora, the desire to build a society with Jews and Muslims based on full equality of citizens, condemnation of anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and anti-Christianity, the appeal to the UN and the international community to ensure peace in the conflict between Israel and Palestine, in Lebanon, in Iraq. 

  • wildjew

    He was an apostate Jew.  What can I say?  We’ve had our share of traitors, Kapos, self-hating Jews.

  • srdc

    Very convieniant reply.

  • wildjew

    The chief Rabbi of Rome did not apostatize to Catholicism?

  • srdc

    Find out the reason why. It was because he was so impressed by how the church stood up to the Nazis. 

    If you don’t like self-hating Jews, I don’t like self-hating Catholics like Cornwall.

  • srdc

    To wildjew,

    I don’t want to continue playing ping-pong with you. The reason why the Rabbi Zolli converted to Catholicism, was because he was so impressed by how the church stood up to the Nazis. 

    If you don’t like self-hating Jews. I don’t like self-hating Catholics like Cornwall.

    Have a nice day.

  • srdc

    Dishonest?

    I am sorry you cannot tell the difference between an individual’s views and official views, that even the Vatican clarified.

  • wildjew

    Was it because Rome’s Chief Rabbi was so impressed by how
    the church stood up to the Nazis or was it because Rome’s Jewish community condemned him for hiding in the Vatican in order to save his own skin?.  

    You say, If I don’t like self-hating Jews, you  don’t like self-hating Catholics like Cornwall. 

    Fair enough.  

    British (Catholic) historian Paul Johnson wrote (“A History of the Jews”): “….the evidence against the Jews was all there in the Bible, which they had written themselves. Therein of course, lay a terrible problem for the Jews. One of their greatest gifts was the critical faculty. They had always had it….But they were not only critical; they were, perhaps above all, self-critical….They saw the truth, sometimes the ugly truth, about themselves, and they told it in the Bible. Whereas other peoples produced their national EPICS to endorse and bolster their self-esteem (Christian defenders of Pius XII), the Jews wanted to discover what had gone wrong with their history, as well as what had gone right. That is why the the Bible is littered with passages with which the Jews are presented as a sinful people, often too wicked or obstinate to accept God’s law, though they know it. The Jews, in fact, produced the evidence for their own prosecution….” (page 206)

    What happened to your church?

  • srdc

    I understand your point, but I don’t want to fight over what he said, she said. 

    We will just have to wait until the research on this has been done and the archives fully studied to come to a verdict.

  • Jeannine

    The Catholic Herald posted an article about Pius XII about a yr ago with excellent factual comments from Gary Krupp, a Jew who founded of Pave The Way Foundation. I suggest that you read the article & Gary’s comments to educate yourself & stop believing everything the MSM feeds you.

    The article is found here: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2011/05/20/allied-diplomats-urged-pius-xii-to-stay-silent-about-nazi-deportations/