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Our Lady of Quito prophesied that in the 60s there would be spiritual catastrophe in the Church; then, through the faith of the just, a ‘complete restoration’

But first, there would be a total corruption of morals in society; this would affect the Church, too

By on Thursday, 26 July 2012

I was leafing through the current issue of The Flock, the newsletter of Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, (available here) when I came across an article by the redoubtable Mrs Daphne McLeod about Our Lady of Quito—otherwise known as Our Lady of Good Success—who appeared several times to Mother Mariana, Abbess of the convent of the Immaculate Conception in Quito, Ecuador, at the end of the sixteenth and the beginning of the seventeenth centuries.

On one of these occasions, she made a particularly remarkable prophecy. You will see why—knowing Mrs McLeod’s passionate concern for the religious education of our children, and her repeated warnings over the years about the consequences of the denatured and insubstantial superficiality of what they are now fed as RE—she draws our attention in The Flock to this particular apparition of Our Lady.

My source for what follows is an admirable and extremely useful site, snappily entitled “Apparitions and Shrines of the Blessed Virgin Mary which have been approved by legitimate Church Authority”.

Early in the morning of January 21, 1610, the Archangels St. Michael, St. Gabriel and St. Raphael appeared to Mother Mariana. Then Our Lady appeared to her and predicted many things about our own times: this is part of what Mother Mariana afterwards related that she told her:

“…. I make it known to you that from the end of the 19th century and shortly after the middle of the 20th century…. the passions will erupt and there will be a total corruption of customs (morals)….

“They will focus principally on the children in order to sustain this general corruption. Woe to the children of these times! It will be difficult to receive the Sacrament of Baptism, and also that of Confirmation…

“As for the Sacrament of Matrimony… it will be attacked and deeply profaned… The Catholic spirit will rapidly decay; the precious light of the Faith will gradually be extinguished… Added to this will be the effects of secular education, which will be one reason for the dearth of priestly and religious vocations.

“The Sacrament of Holy Orders will be ridiculed, oppressed, and despised… The Devil will try to persecute the ministers of the Lord in every possible way; he will labor with cruel and subtle astuteness to deviate them from the spirit of their vocation and will corrupt many of them. These depraved priests, who will scandalize the Christian people, will make the hatred of bad Catholics and the enemies of the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church fall upon all priests…

“Further, in these unhappy times, there will be unbridled luxury, which will ensnare the rest into sin and conquer innumerable frivolous souls, who will be lost. Innocence will almost no longer be found in children, nor modesty in women. In this supreme moment of need of the Church, the one who should speak will fall silent.” In a subsequent apparition, Our Lady told Mother Mariana that these apparitions were not to become generally known until the twentieth century.

Now, it is true that Our Lady’s prophecies here are concerned particularly with what will happen more than three centuries in the future “in what is today the Colony and will then be the Republic of Ecuador”, where, she says, “Satan will reign almost completely by means of the Masonic sects”. All the same (though I can’t quite see the few harmless Masons I have known bringing in the sovereignty of Satan here) the relevance of these prophecies to English Society and the English Church (indeed to the whole modern world) in the twentieth century—and therefore now—is obvious enough. She even homes in on the sixties: she times this “eruption” of the passions to take place “shortly after the middle of the twentieth century”.

Particularly striking, you may think, are Our Lady’s words about how “the Sacrament of Matrimony …will be attacked and deeply profaned”, and that remarkable passage about some “depraved priests, who will scandalise the Christian people, [and who] will make the hatred of bad Catholics and the enemies of the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church fall upon all priests…”

Mrs McLeod sees particular relevance to her own concerns about the woeful state and dire consequences of what our children are taught in Catholic schools, and draws attention particularly to Our Lady’s prophecy that those who do Satan’s will “would ‘focus particularly on the children in order to achieve this general corruption. Woe to the children of these times!’ “. Mrs McLeod observes that “We can see only too clearly what she meant now that the inadequate, even false, religious teaching given to the children in so many Catholic schools and parishes leaves them highly vulnerable to the explicit classroom lessons on sex, not to mention the television programmes and computer games, which inevitably corrupt and deprave them.”

No doubt someone will throw doubt on that analysis, and say that the prophecy really isn’t about RE in rainy old England but about what’s supposed to be going on now in Ecuador (incidentally does anyone out there know anything about what IS going on in Ecuador?); but if anyone does say that, I think they will be quite wrong. Our Lady’s prophecies are usually universal in their application: and we live in what is sometimes ludicrously called a “globalised world”. These prophecies are just as much about about Europe and North America: there is surely no doubt that these extraordinary words are meant for us, too. A few translations to modern idioms and modern forms of collaboration with Satan may be necessary: I have just mentioned the mild and unthreatening nature of English masonry. But it hasn’t been like that everywhere. In 1952, for instance, the Grand Lodge of France passed a series of resolutions against the Catholic Church, including one “to unmask by every means the subtle scheming of the Vatican State Secretariat, which aims at imposing the shameful guardianship of religious and political-economic dictatorship on the whole of mankind . . . and to accept, in the relentless struggle against clericalism, every alliance compatible with the Masonic ideal.”

Well, there are plenty of anti-clerical cults today, consumed by a fanatical anti-clericalism of exactly the same sort, who wage a constant struggle to get God out of modern culture in any way they can think of, large and small; How about this example, reported approvingly by one of these anti-God cults, The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, in which an outfit called New York City Atheists is joining one Dr. Michael Newdow, a California-based Atheist “physician/lawyer”, in a suit to get the words “In God We Trust” removed from American coins and currency. That would be a small but significant victory in the unending culture wars of our times.

You can all think of a hundred other examples, emanating not just from hard-line cultists like Dawkins, but from soft-core and mostly low-key almost subconsciously anti-Christian organisations like the BBC. It all adds up to a cultural explosion, the effects of which have indeed erupted, as Our Lady prophesied, in “a total corruption” of our mores and many of our institutions, both within the Church and in the wider secular society of which we are part.

The most important thing to understand is that it would be just wrong to despair at all this. The fightback is underway. For, in the end, Our Lady of Quito’s prophecies do not end with spiritual catastrophe. In a later apparition she foretold that “In order to free men from bondage to these heresies, those whom the merciful love of My Most Holy Son will destine for that restoration will need great strength of will, constancy, valor and much confidence in God. To test this faith and confidence of the just, there will be occasions when everything will seem to be lost and paralyzed. This, then, will be the happy beginning of the complete restoration.”

I believe we have seen that faith and valour over the last half century, above all in the present Holy Father and his heroic predecessor; and that that complete restoration has indeed happily begun.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton

    Yes He did: during His Passion, He spoke to the daughters of Jerusalem, saying to them, “Weep not for Me but for you children and your children’s children.”  True to His Word, Jerusalem was laid waste 37 years thence, and many of the children and grandchildren of those in Jerusalem during the Lord’s Passion were massacred by the Romans, or killed by starvation and disease from the siege, or out of desperation were driven to suicide or cannibalism.  He promised those things would come to pass within a generation, and indeed they did, because they did not recognize their God and Savior when He came, leaving Him to ask, “Why was no one there when I came?”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton

    A great number of scholars, Catholic and Protestant alike, expected that our generation shall not pass away without seeing the return of Christ.  I use the past tense here because it is no surprise that many in our midst believe that our generation will see the Second Coming, for indeed there have been such people in every generation from the time of the Apostles to this day, but many scholars of prophecy anticipated that our generation would live to see the return of Christ while they themselves would die long before that time.  Furthermore, the nearness of the Second Coming would explain why such prophesies would for many centuries predict things that lie centuries in the future, while we have no such prophecies predicting events centuries hence, for what lies beyond the Second Coming is the Final Judgment, and “Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, nor has it entered into the hearts of men what God has ready for those who love Him.”  As for the damned, what prophet does not warn of Hell and abjure people to repent?

    Jesus said that no one would know the day or the hour of His Return, but He did say that one of the signs shortly preceding His Return is that the Gospel will be preached to all nations.  When the Church can say “Mission Accomplished,” then the Second Coming draws very near.  Let the reader consider how long it will take to fulfill the Great Commission now that we can transmit nearly anything nearly anywhere on the planet in seconds using the internet and satellite TV.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton

    Yes it does: “I was hungry and you gave Me no food,” vs. “I was hungry and you fed Me.”  Do you think this is limited to ignoring beggars vs. giving charity to beggars?  By no means!  For it is written, “If a man will not provide for his own, he has denied the Faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”  If then, we will be condemned for hardening our hearts toward strangers or being too lazy to provide for our families, how much more will those women who rip their children away from the nourishment of the uterine wall stand condemned alongside the men who approved of, encouraged and/or helped them do this terrible thing?

    As to contraception, is not the child who is yet to be a stranger to us?  Is it welcoming to this stranger then to contracept?  Of course not, nor will God allow the cries of the embryos condemned to starvation because of contraceptives that thin or disrupt the lining of the uterine wall, for “The Lord hears the cry of the poor.”

    Therefore, if you have had part in any of these abominations, repent, and do not delay, lest you perish.

  • JabbaPapa

    No I’m not, you’re simply avoiding understanding my answers.

    Organised atheism, and there is no meaningful doubt that Dawkins’ brand of it is organised, propagates a cohesive body of doctrine that these adherents of atheism cling to in a quasi-religious manner.

    I shall need to point out specifically, or you’re liable to miss the point, that this is not a description of all of atheism nor of all atheists — but then, nor are the descriptions found in the original article by Dr. Oddie either.

    Your difficulty is that you do not understand the word “doctrine”, and you probably don’t understand every meaning of the adjective “religious” either.

    As I said, from here onwards it’s straight back to the post objecting to Dr. Oddie’s (accurate) description of such groups as “anti-God cults”.

  • pat21

    OK.  The current Archbishop of Quito is:- Archbishop Fausto Gabriel Trávez Trávez O.F.M.  Mailing Address: Arzobispado, Apartado 17-01-00106, Calle Chile OE4-22 y Venezuela, Quito, Ecuador
    Telephone: (02)2284.429
    Fax: 2580.973
    http://www.arquidiocesisdequito.ec

  • karlf

    Can you give me an example of this doctrine which is clung to in a quasi-religious manner?
    “The mission of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science is to support scientific education, critical thinking and evidence-based understanding of the natural world in the quest to overcome religious fundamentalism, superstition, intolerance and suffering”
    How is Dawkins a “hardline cultist”, as Doctor Oddie puts it?

  • pat21

    The postulator of Mother Mariana’s Cause, Msgr Luis E Cadena y Almeida has written a book called ‘A Spanish Mystic in Quito – Sor Mariana de Torres’ which has now been translated into English.  The book covers the life of Mother Mariana and the apparitions of Our Lady of Good Success. 

  • Patrick_Hadley

    He will find it difficult to advance a cause based on blatantly fake prophecies.

  • Patrick_Hadley

     Can I help you? The answer to my question is: None. There has been no progress because the “prophecies” are obviously fake.

  • JabbaPapa

    Can you give me an example of this doctrine which is clung to in a quasi-religious manner?

    yes :

    “critical thinking and evidence-based understanding of the natural world in the quest to overcome religious fundamentalism, superstition, intolerance and suffering”

    a farrago of doctrine, sheer doctrine

    and seriously — overcome suffering ???? whatever.

    As for Dawkins being a hardline cultist or not, those are not my words, & not my job to defend the statement.

  • pat21

    Hi Patrick,
    I am trying to get in touch with a Spanish-speaking friend who I will ask to contact the Archbishop’s office for any recent news concerning Mother Mariana’s Cause.  If this thread is still open I’ll post any updates.  I know that they have found her body to be incorrupt.  I think the above official diocesan decrees, coming from the (then) Archbishop of Quito in 1991 show that the apparitions and prophecies of Our Lady of Good Success to Mother Mariana are genuine.  Let’s see (if he can be contacted) what his successor has to say on the matter.

  • Nicolas Bellord

    What grounds have you for saying the prophecies are obviously fake?

  • karlf

    “As for Dawkins being a hardline cultist or not, those are not my words, & not my job to defend the statement” – i.e. he’s not a hardline cultist, but you don’t want to concede.
    Critical thinking and evidence-based understanding are the antithesis of dogmatic doctrine. It’s the ‘Richard Dawkins Foundation for REASON and Science’ – they don’t approve of unreasonable behaviour.

  • Patrick_Hadley

    1) The earliest text of the “prophecies” is nearly 200 years after they were alleged to have been made. If either the community or diocese really believed that Our Lady had made genuine prophecies there would have been contemporary records kept in the archives, and references to them in letters and books.

    2) Freemasonry was not a threat to the Church for more than 100 years after the prophecies were alleged to have been made, but it was a very big issue in 1790 when the fakes were produced.

    3) The prophecies refer to “Republic of Ecuador”. The area around Quito was never referred to as Ecuador before 1735; the name simply did not exist.

    4) There was no local independence movement for freedom from the Spanish nor any concept of a local republic at that time, but there was in 1790 when the fakes were produced.

  • JabbaPapa

    1) The earliest text of the “prophecies” is nearly 200 years after they
    were alleged to have been made. If either the community or diocese
    really believed that Our Lady had made genuine prophecies there would
    have been contemporary records kept in the archives, and references to
    them in letters and books.

    This opinion is contaminated by multiple false assumptions.

    The words “would have” rarely introduce evidence.

    2) Freemasonry was not a threat to the Church for more than 100 years
    after the prophecies were alleged to have been made, but it was a very
    big issue in 1790 when the fakes were produced.

    Here is the text of the messages :

    http://www.miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/messages/quito_messages.html

    The word “Freemasonry” does NOT occur in the text.

    3) The prophecies refer to “Republic of Ecuador”. The area around Quito
    was never referred to as Ecuador before 1735; the name simply did not
    exist.

    Here is the text of the messages :

    http://www.miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/messages/quito_messages.html

    The word “Ecuador” does NOT occur in the text (except in the modern introduction).

    4) There was no local independence movement for freedom from the Spanish
    nor any concept of a local republic at that time, but there was in 1790
    when the fakes were produced.

    That comment is pointless and irrelevant.

  • JabbaPapa

    Moved :

    “As for Dawkins being a hardline cultist or not, those are not my words,
    & not my job to defend the statement”

     - i.e. he’s not a hardline
    cultist, but you don’t want to concede.

    No, in fact I have no personal opinion at all on the question of Dawkins’ alleged hard-line-ness.

    This is the second time you’ve used the phrase “you don’t want to concede” — whereas in fact, my personal experience is not subject to the results of debate with others.

    Not that I’ve noticed you conceding anything either.

    Please at least try and stop assuming that something said by Catholic A is automatically agreed with by Catholic B.

    I do NOT assume that all atheists are indoctrinated nitwits, which does not prevent me describing some groups of atheists as being quasi-religious in nature and in doctrine.

    Some individuals are desirous of indoctrination, and some of these will gravitate towards atheism.

    Critical thinking and
    evidence-based understanding are the antithesis of dogmatic doctrine.
    It’s the ‘Richard Dawkins Foundation for REASON and Science’ – they
    don’t approve of unreasonable behaviour.

    doctrine

    Quite apart from the fact that the RDFfRaS is utterly uncritical towards its own dogmata, it falsely perpetuates a Colonialist vision of intrinsic superiority of these over those, that’s rather vomitous.

    Oh, and : unreasonable behaviour = plastering messages of religious intolerance on public transport vehicles

  • Patrick_Hadley

    The link you give is to “excerpts” from the fakes. Look at the version in the link I gave below to find references to the Republic of Ecuador http://www.salvemariaregina.info/SalveMariaRegina/SMR-155/Our%20Lady%20of%20Good%20Success.html . I wonder why they made those cuts – they should be boasting about how Our Lady’s prophecy came true. If she really did tell the people of Quito that they would one day live in a republic called Ecuador, over a hundred years before the name had been coined, then you would imagine that the Ecuadorians would make a big thing about that.  .

    A 1790 text, allegedly a copy of a 1635 document, referring to threats from Masons and about the Republic of Ecuador, with no earlier provenance is an obvious fake.

  • JabbaPapa

    Actually no, that’s a theory about the text of the prophecies, and there’s nothing “obvious” about it.

    1) “Ecuador” did not exist in 1790 either, nor was it a Republic, and the name “Ecuador” was only used as the name of the country from 1830s onwards

    2) Even IF these particular contents are 18th century, you’re STILL neglecting the possibility that this could be a case of textual contamination of a text that were itself genuine

    3) And again, the fact that prophecies refer to things that do not exist at the time that they are made cannot, by definition, be sufficient cause in itself to denounce them. If you do not believe in the possibility of prophecies, then you will not believe the reality of these ones.

    4) Even so, that 18th century text refers to matters that became real in the 19th century, and others that uncannily resemble the state of the Church in 20th and 21st centuries.

    Besides, the earliest published volume I can find referring in its contents to prophecies made by Mariana de Jesus seems to have been published in 1702 (though my Spanish is not good enough to quickly see in this book if specific prophecies are alluded to — though it’s clear that it’s a life of the Saint, not a collection of her prophecies).http://www20.us.archive.org/details/laazucenadequito00morn

  • JabbaPapa

    you don’t want to concede

    You falsely imagine that your objections are “rational” and “evidence-based”.

    The basis of your thinking is as doctrinal as that of any other system of thought.

    Scientific methodolgy is evidence-based, and seeks to align itself with rationality, but your statements are not scientific in nature.

    You can demonstrate none of them by reference to any objectively neutral data.

  • karlf

    Dawkins is not a hard-line cultist. We both know that to be true, and however much waffle you try to use as a smokescreen, the facts remain.

  • Patrick_Hadley

    Thank you for the link to the life of St Mariana de Jesus (1618-1645, canonised 1950), but she is not the one who is alleged to have made the prophecies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_de_Jes%C3%BAs_de_Paredes

  • tjk52

    Wow, some of you really go past deep and all the way into oblivion with your over thinking and writing and with all the fancy words and long writings you forget the simplicity of Jesus…

    Matthew 6:34 – Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

    And to make things even more simple and pleasant in society just do these two things…

    Matthew 22:37 – Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. &  matthew 22:39 – Love your neighbor as yourself.

    All the rest is just plain old human commentary! 

    Have a good one….

  • Mrsotterstetter

    Please don’t refer to any masonic entity as benign.  That is simply not true and very dangerous.  Remember, Satan doesn’t appear with horns and a pitchfork – evil comes in gradually – so you are vaguely aware that it might be present.  Just a thought….

  • Uriels_fire

    If I understand you correctly in believing the Masons to be harmless then I strongly disagree. Whether you believe it or not is one thing, but to ignore the mounds of evidence saying the contrary is irresponsible. And more important still is that you can not take the messages given in an approved apparition from Mary and pick what parts are true and what parts are not. You believe or you do not. There is no middle ground here.
     

  • JabbaPapa

    Indeed.

    The Virgin Mary is alleged to have made the prophecies.

    But you’re being disingenuous —
    Mary Anne is just an anglicised rendering of Mariana …

    (the online Catholic Encyclopedia is BTW horrendously out of date, its text is several decades older than the canonisation of St Mariana in 1950)

  • JabbaPapa

    Moved :

    Dawkins is not a hard-line cultist. We both know that to be true, and
    however much waffle you try to use as a smokescreen, the facts remain.

    ???

    What “waffle” ???

    It’s not my statement, and there is therefore no reason at all why I should be required to defend it as if I had made it (I haven’t).

    Dr Oddie has described him so, you disagree with the characterisation, I am willing to be convinced by either position because I view each of them as having its own merits and flaws.

    Attacking me personally for something that someone else has said does not OTOH convince in the slightest.

  • John

    Do not cast pearls before swine .  This winterperson is a bitter, hate-filled bigot who will face judgement.  On that occasion will be present holy Mother Teresasa and all of the good and saintly people winterperson defiled and they will look on with sadness as he/she shrieks at the eternal sentence imposed upon him/her

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adrian-Johnson/100002117620278 Adrian Johnson

    The politicians and lawmakers engineering the terrible Mexican anti-Catholic bloodbath in the 1920′s ( and the ultimate and ongoing cause of the murderous narcocracy of modern Mexico) were all Masons.  Like England’s recusants, Mexico’s countless martyrs including harmless nuns were shot in cold blood, and nobody in America or Europe wanted to know.   

      If you want a quick historical overview of the whole horror, look up a quick biography of one of the gallant martyrs of the Mexican revolution; he was bold and brave, wise and witty; and a Mexican personality as attractive as England’s St Thomas More, Blessed Miguel Pro, SJ. It is a crying shame that Blessed Miguel has not yet been canonized; he has enough miracles if Rome would just move more quickly to pronounce on them.   

  • Patrick_Hadley

    In reply to JabbaPapa below.

    St Mariana de Jesus, the Lily of Quito who was born in 1618 and died in 1645 was beatified by Pius IX in 1853 and canonised by Pius XII in 1950. She is not the same person as Mother Mariana of Quito, (1563- 1634) who has not been beatified or canonised, and in whose name some fake prophesies have been promulgated.

    We can draw our own conclusions about why, unlike her near contemporary namesake in another convent in Quito, someone who claimed so many visions and quoted so many prophetic words of Our Lady did not have her life recorded for 156 years after her death, and her path for sainthood did not begin until 1991 and has not made any progress since then. Would not Pius IX have been pleased to announce that he was fulfilling the prophecies of Our Lady when he dogmatically declared her to be the Immaculate Conception and himself to be infallible?

  • Sara123123

    It is not odd at all that attention and struggle is falling on liberalism’s ideology of sex.  Marriage and family is the foundation of Catholic society.  Liberals have worked dillegently to divide men and women, separate sex from reproduction, love and commitment, grant amoral government officials authority over other people’s children, and the latest – to socially re-engineer the meaning of marriage out of existence.

    The Leftists who hate Christians and who hate freedom are the ones who focused their efforts on undoing love, marriage and family.  They know it is the lynchpin to undoing a society.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adrian-Johnson/100002117620278 Adrian Johnson

    The crucial test of the credibility of a prophecy is if it comes true.  What was not said in Mr Oddie’s summary is that Our Lady of Quito accurately prophecied the 19th century rise and martyrdom of a saintly Catholic president of Equador: fulfilled in Gabriel Garcia Moreno assassinated (seemingly by Masons)  for his Faith and christian charity. OK, so you never heard of him– it’s easy enough to google his biography; it’s uncannily interesting.  
    The principle is that if Our Lady makes an early and fulfilled prophecy, –then logically the as-yet unfulfilled ones will also come to pass.

  • John_Seven

    But, this is private revelation, surely?

  • hennery

    you people read this and you still accept vad2? this to me is a great mystery. you removed the holy mass and our lord removed the grace its all quite simple and quite horrifying…..

  • hennery

    didnt think you would let me post that cowards 

  • Fides_et_Ratio

    > “The church is only where it is today because of all these activities.”

    Absolutely false.

    > “It is built on them. It can no longer torture or kill because of secular laws”

    Not just that; the Church condemns torture. See the Second Vatican Council.

    > “You should disown your church in shame.”

    If it was not for the Church, Europe would still be barbaric.

    By the way, you conveniently forgot about the 100,000,000 people killed by ATHEIST Marxism.

  • Fides_et_Ratio

    > “The church built itself up on them”

    False.

    > “Today it’s as nasty as the law will allow.”

    False. The Church is better than secular law. Secular law wants to censor all politically incorrect views, and the Church fights that.

  • Fides_et_Ratio

    Dawkins’ website has atheist t-shirts, “tips for atheist living”, etc.
    Even other atheists have criticized that.

  • Fides_et_Ratio

     Demanding that everyone thinks like him, or else be branded “irrational” and be deprived of essential human rights (such as the right to free expression, and of freedom of religion, and of political participation)

  • Fides_et_Ratio

    > I think to odd also that the catholics
    themselves, except for recruiting purposes, ignore the real present day
    evils in the world and instead focus on sex”

    Do you even know what you are talking about? During the Mass’ homily, it is quite rare for the priest to talk about sex.

    And the Pope talks more about poverty, greed, war, oppression, environmental destruction than he talks about sex.

  • Fides_et_Ratio

     Do you even try to tell the truth?

    If you read the Pope’s encyclicals, or pay attention to the priest’s homily during Mass, you will see that the Church is 5% about sex and 95% about love, forgiveness, commitment, mercy, sacrifice, and denouncing greed, corruption, oppression, environmental destruction, etc.

  • Fides_et_Ratio

    Cheap  sarcasm is the mark of superficiality.

  • Fides_et_Ratio

    blessed John Paul the Great is heroic for having endured Nazism and its worse sibling, Marxism. He had a rock-solid faith and will, and guided the Church to orthodoxy and evangelicalism.

  • Fides_et_Ratio

     Atheists have higher rates of depression, so atheism is beneficial to the mental profession.

  • Joseph

    Did not Vatican 2 also occur in the mid 20th Century ? 

  • Fides_et_Ratio

     Yes, but Vatican II was an awesome Council.
    The bad thing were the “spirit of Vatican II” fraudsters.

  • Fides_et_Ratio

    There is superstition among members of the Church, just as there is superstition among atheists.

    Astrology, homeopathy, “natural living”, etc.

  • edd333

    What you dont understand is the depth of her holiness, there are levels of holiness that God brings certain people too that you will never understand or experience because your not at that level.  The saints have undergone great trials and tribulations, the greater they become on earth, the more He humbles them, purifies them.   One day I pray, you may see her in the spendor of glory that God bestows on His saints.

  • JabbaPapa

    St Mariana de Jesus, the Lily of Quito who was born in 1618 and died in
    1645 … is not the same person as Mother Mariana of Quito, (1563- 1634)

    Ah !!!!

    Thank you for clearing up the confusion fostered by this homonymy !!!

  • karlf

    Having T-shirts for sale on a website makes him a hard-line cultist?

  • karlf

    He asks people to think for themselves and hold beliefs based on evidence and rational thinking. The people he call irrational are those who hold irrational views – fair enough I’d say, and hardly a “hard-line cultist”