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An 11-year-old girl with Down’s syndrome has fallen foul of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws. Should we really continue to support this anti-Christian country?

What will Mr Cameron say or do about this gross barbarity? Just carry on supporting Pakistan regardless?

By on Monday, 20 August 2012

David Cameron meeting President Zardari in Islamabad last year (Photo: PA)

David Cameron meeting President Zardari in Islamabad last year (Photo: PA)

The British Pakistani Christian Association has posted a report of what they, surely quite rightly, describe as “a new and appalling low in the ongoing abuse of blasphemy laws”. It is alleged that a copy of the Koran “was found with some of its pages burned by Muslims in a Christian area of Islamabad – in previous cases the burning has nearly always shown to have been done by Muslims, or by mentally unstable people – and worse, they have had an 11-year-old Christian girl with Down’s syndrome called Rimsha Masih arrested and charged with the crime. Rimsha was arrested on August 17 2012.

“Muslim extremists are threatening to burn down every Christian house in the community. Several thousand Christians have fled the suburb and are in hiding, along with the family of the victim. Mobs of over a thousand Muslims have surrounded the community and are burning tyres.”

Christian human rights workers have, it is reported, persuaded local mullahs not to authorise the threatened attacks after Friday prayers. But the police are simply assuming the guilt of this 11-year-old. Some Christians went to the local police station and say that the situation on the ground is very bad. It is quite evident, they say, that the police they talked to have already assumed her guilt. They refused to allow the human rights workers to see the FIR (the First Information Report, an important document because it sets the process of criminal justice in motion. It is only after the FIR is registered in the police station that the police take up investigation of the case).

The FIR was placed by a Muslim called Alsyed Muhammad Ummad. The police were aggressive and hostile when approached, and immediately called Muslim youths to the police station to harass the Christian workers. The police said: “She has burned our holy book and you are here to protect her.” It is quite clear that the police are hostile to the accused, presume her guilt and have no regard for her status as a minor or as one with Down’s syndrome. The Christian rights workers were planning to apply for bail for her immediately after the Muslim Eid celebrations. I suspect that they have little hope of success.

This case reminded me of a report last year of remarks by the Archbishop Lawrence Saldanha, formerly of Lahore, who has retired to Toronto (a fact which tells its own story). According to Archbishop Saldanha, in the more than 50 years since his priestly ordination, his country had slid from corrupt oligarchy to military rule to mob rule.

Fear, he says, has silenced the voice of Pakistani Christians since the political murder of Shahbaz Bhatti. “People,” he says, “are very sad, very bitter. They say: ‘If that happens to him what happens to us?’ ” Bhatti’s killers remain at large. The convicted murderer of Salman Taseer, the former governor of Punjab, however (his own security guard, who disagreed with Taseer’s opposition to Pakistan’s outrageous blasphemy laws), was greeted in court with rose petals and garlands.

In this atmosphere of impunity for anyone who kills a Christian, says Archbishop Saldanha, many educated Pakistani Christians are leaving the country, and those who remain are keeping their heads down and their mouths shut. “In such a situation,” he says, “minorities don’t have much place. There’s no tolerance for other religions. Either you convert or you leave. This is the choice.” So he left. Archbishop Saldanha made his comments to the Catholic Register, a Canadian Catholic weekly.

But what about those Pakistani Christians who can’t leave? Their situation is very serious. Among the cases reported by Aid to the Church in Need since the death of Shahbaz Bhatti are these (go to this link for more detail and many more cases, and also for details about how you can support Aid to the Church in Need’s vital work):

March 2011: Three churches near Islamabad and Hyderabad were attacked by armed men, with two killed. The violence came after US Pastor Wayne Sapp burned a copy of the Qur’an.

April 2011: Islamist group Tahreek-e-Ghazi Bin Shaheed ambushed a Protestant clergyman and his family, opening fire on his car and seriously wounding the minister’s 24-year-old son. The Rev Ashraf Paul had earlier received threats and demands for money but he refused to pay.

April 2011: Sehar Naz, a 24-year-old Christian woman, was abducted and raped by a man claiming to be a police officer.

May-July 2011: Farah Hatim, a Christian woman aged 24, from southern Punjab, was abducted by Zeehan Ilyas and his brothers Umran and Gulfam and was forced to convert and marry one of her kidnappers. The incident sparked international outrage but when the Catholic Church’s Justice and Peace Commission brought a case against her abductors, the Supreme Court ruled she should stay with her new family.

May 2011: Bookshop owners Gulzar Masih and his son Suleman fled Sialkot they after they were accused of burning a copy of the Qur’an. Fr Naeem Taj suggested that the burnt pages were planted to frame the Christian businessman. “The blasphemy law is being used once more as a pretext to settle a personal score,” said the priest.

June 2011: Islamist extremists called for a ban on the Bible, claiming some passages were “blasphemous” and “pornographic”.

October 2011: Saqib Masih, a 22-year-old Christian man, was killed and 37 others were injured when a mob of around 60 extremists descended on the village of Mian Chiannu, Punjab, to claim a plot of land “sold” to two Muslims by a workman.

March 2012: Research by the Catholic bishops’ National Council for Justice and Peace showed that up to 30 per cent of Christian and Hindu women in employment have faced sexual harassment. The report also showed that 43 per cent faced religious discrimination in the workplace, schools and other educational establishments and in their local neighbourhoods.

In July, 2011 a petition with more than 6,000 signatures was presented at 10 Downing Street, calling for action to reform Pakistan’s notorious blasphemy laws. I wonder what Mr Cameron did about that? A year before that, in August 2010, almost exactly two years ago, President Asif Ali Zardari visited Mr Cameron. I find that on that occasion I commented in this column that “there is … one thing a British Prime Minister would at one time have said which I rather doubt that Mr Cameron even mentioned. I cannot imagine Mr Gladstone … failing to protest vigorously at the rampant persecution of Christianity in Pakistan.

“He would have gone into some detail. He would undoubtedly have mentioned the failure of the public authorities (a failure amounting to complicity) to protect the burning alive of eight people, including two children, in what Aid to the Church in Need describe as “one of the bloodiest attacks against Christians in the country’s history”. They died in August last year, when nearly 3,000 people rampaged through the Christian quarter of Gojra city in the Punjab province …. The blasphemy laws, in particular, are used to make it almost impossible for Christians to express themselves in public without appearing un-Islamic, a legal offence with the most deadly consequences. Did Mr Cameron, as Prime Minister of a Christian country, say anything (as Mr Gladstone would certainly have done) about the blasphemy laws?”

We never got an answer of course, nor, I suspect, did the petition presented last year. But there is surely one thing he ought actually to do rather than to say, which perhaps we ought to be urging on him: he should suspend all aid to Pakistan until that benighted country repeals its blasphemy laws, which have nothing at all to do with blasphemy, and everything to do with the legalised oppression of non-Muslims. Go to the link for the British Pakistani Christian Association (above), which is running a campaign to achieve this. It will be an uphill struggle, but at least it’s doing something – though it is increasingly clear that persuading Cameron to support any remotely Christian objective is probably a lost cause: something we ought perhaps to remember at the next general election.

  • Oconnord

    ‘m sorry, in hindsight, I see how that is a strawman. But which parts of a baby’s body are you willing to cut off for the sake of religion? I used ears as example, as the external parts seem non-functional. I’m sure the same logic applies to the penis as does ears. Which part of a baby’s body should be removed as a cultural and religious identifier?

  • Joe

    just another example of what religion is doing to our societies…

  • Acleron

    They stop my glasses falling off :)

  • Jonathan West

    There are two answers to that.

    1. They may consider this girl to be sane, and also there have been varying reports of her age.

    2. You know as well as I do that scripture is susceptible to many different interpretations, with different people holding conflicting opinions as to what is to be taken literally and what is meant metaphorically, what was a message for the time and what is eternally true. There is just as much disagreement within Islam as to the interpretation of Islamic scriptures as there is within Christianity concerning interpretation of the Bible. And as you have just done, people very frequently look up some cherry-picked passage of scripture and quote it as if it were a clinching argument.

    So the mere existence of a supporting passage in scripture can’t by itself be regarded as a sign of divine approval, otherwise the Catholic Church would still support slavery.

    So what can be taken as an unequivocal sign of divine approval?

  • JabbaPapa

    Holy generalisations, Batman !!!

  • JabbaPapa

    I’m sorry, in hindsight, I see how that is a strawman

    Oh !!!

    For this alone, I’ll “like” your post :-)

    (honestly cannot remember anyone else EVER admitting to having posted a strawman)

    But which parts of a baby’s body are you willing to cut off for the sake of religion?

    erm, nothing that they actually, y’know, NEED ??

    I mean it’s not as if I approve of circumcision, whether for medical or religious reasons — then again I’m in no particular hurry to have my tonsils nor appendix removed either !!!

    Accidents happen — I’m sure it’s possible to choke and die from a Communion wafer, just as it’s possible to die from being struck on the head by a copy of Dawkins’ God Delusion book.

    If circumcision were so definitionally harmful, then why on Earth have the Hebrews been thriving for the past 4000 years or so ?

    Which part of a baby’s body should be removed as a cultural and religious identifier?

    “should” ?? seriously ??

    As a Catholic and ex-agnostic British national living in the South of France, my answer to this overly aggressive question is of course : none.

    Then again, I think there are still some blades of straw messing up this discussion …

  • JabbaPapa

    Bah, mine fell off and broke anyway :-(

  • JabbaPapa

    They may consider this girl to be sane

    ???????

    Down’s Syndrome is a harmful genetic mutation typically leading to profound cognitive handicap.

    It is completely unrelated to questions of mental health, given that it is a condition with a physical origin.

  • scary goat

     I thought they catch the sound waves and send them down to the ear drum.

  • Acleron

    And as he is not being prosecuted with inciting religious hatred then your made up comment is rather irrelevant. The charge actually is :-
    ‘Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs. The offence is cognizable and non-bailable.’

    That is a blasphemy law and no amount of cod metaphysics will excuse it.

    He is being persecuted by the catholics for upsetting them. Poor darlings.

    In the meantime, the charge of hypocrisy by you in particular stands. Both cases are wrong and both are a result of religion’s intolerance to others.

  • Jonathan West

    (Response to JabbaPapa)

    Down’s Syndrome is a harmful genetic mutation typically leading to profound cognitive handicap.It is completely unrelated to questions of mental health, given that it is a condition with a physical origin.You know that, and I know that, but Mohamed certainly didn’t. Scary goat’s point is that they ought not to be punishing the girl for blasphemy because the Quran treats the mentally disordered as not being criminally responsible. William Oddie is saying they ought not to be punishing the girl because she is a Christian.I say they ought not to be punishing her because blasphemy ought not to be a crime in the first place. Do you agree with me? If not, why not?

  • JabbaPapa

    I agree with all of these reasons.

  • Jonathan West

    Those three reasons are mutually contradictory.

    William Oddie’s position appears to be is that blasphemy ought to be a crime, and that Pakistan should be free to treat it as such and punish people for it (including killing people), but that Christians should be exempted.

    Scary goat’s position is that blasphemy ought to be a crime, and that Pakistan should be free to treat it as such and punish people for it (including killing people), but that the mentally incompetent should be exempted.

    My position is that blasphemy should not be treated as a crime.

    Which of those three positions do you support?

  • JabbaPapa

    Those three reasons are mutually contradictory.

    No they’re not !!!

    It is wrong to pursue Christians for blasphemy on the basis of their Christianity ; it is wrong for Muslims to accuse a mentally handicapped 11-year old for blasphemy ; and blasphemy ought not be a crime in the first place.

    I have no idea why you assume that these other people might think that blasphemy should be criminalised, I’m sure that they are pure and simply aware that such a crime does in fact exist in that country’s legal system.

  • http://twitter.com/persecutionbd William Gomes

     http://www.facebook.com/notes/william-nicholas-gomes/pakistan-disabled-girl-charged-with-blasphemy/393755674024304

  • http://twitter.com/persecutionbd William Gomes
  • http://twitter.com/persecutionbd William Gomes

     http://www.facebook.com/notes/william-nicholas-gomes/pakistan-jails-christian-teenager-over-blasphemy/393082147424990

  • Jonathan West

    The outcome in this particular case would be the same, but the three justifications are very different.

    1. If you think that this particular girl ought not to be prosecuted because she is a Christian then you accept in principle the validity of prosecuting for blasphemy, and merely want an exception for Christians with regard to blasphemy against Islam.

    2. If you think that this particular girl ought not to be prosecuted because she is mentally incompetent then you accept in principle the validity of prosecuting for blasphemy, and merely want an exception for the mentally incompetent with regard to blasphemy against Islam.

    3. If you think that blasphemy ought not to be a crime in the first place, then you deny even in principle the validity of prosecuting for blasphemy.

    The three reasons are very different from each other. Which do you support?

    I accept that in order to get this particular girl off the hook, I might tactically argue point 1 or 2 even though I believe 3 to be true – you do what good you can at the time. But an argument from expediency is not the same as a matter of principle, and as a matter of principle I argue that blasphemy ought not to be crime, and that therefore there should be no need to argue exceptions to it.

  • BTyler

    I posted on the Dawkins site once and was emailed within minutes and had my comment removed. Incidentally, it was a harmless comment about the almost unanimous, fawning agreement on that site which got me into ‘trouble’…

  • BTyler

    Er, people like me? Brainwashed by atheism but, happily, baptised this year at the age of 40?

  • JabbaPapa

    Which do you support?

    Why do you ask a question that I’ve already answered for you twice ?

    Do you expect that if you keep on repeating the question, you might eventually receive a different answer ?

    I agree with all three of those reasons.

    It’s really NOT complicated !!!

    Oh, and BTW :

    If you think that this particular girl ought not to be prosecuted because she is a Christian then you accept in principle the validity of prosecuting for blasphemy, and merely want an exception for Christians with regard to blasphemy against Islam

    What a load of >b-word< — in fact I think nothing even vaguely resembling this pure fabrication of your own.

    HINT : not everybody thinks in the sort of deterministic fashion that you seem to expect them to.

  • Asherbhatti79
  • scary goat

     No, that is not my position at all.  I was responding to this:

    So how are you able to determine in which of those two conflicting versions of Islam is the belief in God’s approval mistaken?

    By referring to accepted Islamic teachings…and I posted the accepted Islamic teaching.

    I do not agree that blasphemy should be a crime. By the way, Islamic teachings themselves severely limit “wiggle room” through interpretation.  Interpretation is much less of an issue in the Islam than in Christianity.  There is some room for interpretation, but not much.  There are both advantages and disadvantages to this. 

    I also think it is a valid point to refer to the accepted Islamic teaching because the best way to communicate with people is in their own “language”.  Barging into a situation from an “outside” perspective is unlikely to convince anyone.  If, however, you can use their own accepted point of reference to make a point, you have a better chance of success. 

  • Khalid Shahzad

         Urgent Appeal.

    The convention was adopted in 2006 and came into force in
    May 2008. It was signed by Pakistan
    less than four months later, in September 2008. Judging by Islamabad`s record
    of tardiness in taking notice of international human rights instruments, except
    for the Convention on the Rights of the Child, it displayed unusual speed in
    signing the convention on the disabled.

    But there is nothing unusual in the government’s lack of interest in
    follow-up measures, and this attitude is the main factor in the denial of the
    benefits of the international human rights system to the people of Pakistan.

    Violence against children is huge
    problem world wide an estimated 53000 children aged 0 -17 were murdered in 2002
    and about 150 million girls and 73 million boys thought to have been sexually
    abused.

     

    Globally at least 93 million
    children have moderate or severe disabilities. Children with

    Are through to have a substantially
    greater risk of being victims of violence then non disable peers. Establishment
    of reliable of scale the problem is an essential first step in the development of
    effective prevention of the person with disabilities.

     

    Violence against children with
    disabilities world wide 5% of children about 93 million aged 0-14 have moderate
    or severe disabilities.

     

     

     11 year old Christian girl with Down
    syndrome(Mentally Disable) named Rimsha daughter of Misrak Masih, resident of
    Umara Jaffar, sector G12/0 Islamabad, has been falsely accused of burning 10 pages of the Quran.
    She was arrested on August 17 by the women police station with the FIR no as
    303/12 at 6:45
    pm. The complainants name is Alsyed
    Muhammd Ummad.

     

    The reason for this differences including societal stigma,
    religious discrimination, negative traditional beliefs and ignorance of
    minorities rights made Rismisha  as
    religious victim in the History of the world.

     

    Appeal.

    Govt should realize Remisha as soon as possible without any trial and
    condition.

     Should act according to The
    Declaration on the rights of disable person, proclaimed  By U N General assembly on 9th December 1975.

    To respect for their human dignity

    [to] the same fundamental rights as their fellow-citizens …
    [to] the same civil and political rights as other human beings …
    [to] measures designed to enable them to become as self-reliant as possible …

    to medical, psychological and functional treatment [and]
    to develop their capabilities and skills to the maximum [and]
    hasten the processes of their social integration or reintegration …

    to economic and social security and to a decent level of living …

    according to their capabilities, to secure and retain employment
    or to engage in a useful, productive and remunerative occupation
    and to join trade unions [and] to have their special needs taken into
    consideration at all stages of economic and social planning …

    to live with their families or with foster parents and to
    participate in all
    social, creative or recreational activities [and not to] be subjected, as far
    as his or her residence is concerned, to differential treatment other than
    that required by his or her condition

     

     

    Thank you very much.

     

    Khalid Shahzad

     

    Director

     

    Dorothea center for special children

     

    4/G, New G T Road Farukhabad Ghati Shahdara Lahore.

     

     

    Phone:0092 0423 7917854

     

    Cell No: 0092.0321 4263793

  • Acleron

    That surprises me. You should advertise the actual comment you made and the response. If you are polite about your point you shouldn’t have had a problem. Of course, that doesn’t mean that you won’t be criticised on your point, but you should certainly have the freedom to make it.

  • Jonathan West

    If she had not been a Christian, would you have been in any way concerned about the matter?

  • grahamcombs

    If you want to see just how futile our efforts are in Afhanistan and Pakistan, see the BBC’s documentary THE BATTLE FOR MARJA about a US Marine regiment retaking the town.  A good companion film is Sebastian Junger’s RESTREPO.   Time to leave and not because I agree with Pres. Obama’s policies such as they are.   We owe these two countries what we owe all — Christian charity when needed.   But we can’t change this part of the world through nation building or anything like it.  People forget the US poured billions into Haitii and to no positive effect.   The Afghans are perfectly willing to submit to the  Taliban.  We have an obligation to make sure  Pakistan never uses its nuclear weapons.   Our only friend — and yours – in that region is India.   Paradoxically this is no time for disarming ourselves as Obama and Cameron seem to believe.

    In the 1980s American Jews worked had to free Soviet Jews. Not to mention Israel’s airlifting of Ethiopian Jews.   Perhaps our real obligation is to rescue as many Christians of any kind from the middle east and far east.   After aborting 45 million innocent and powerless American unborn, we certainly have the room despite the millions of undocmented immigrants.    I do wonder why the American Bishops’ Conference has not made saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of Christians a priority as critical as immigration  reform.    Then again our own Constitutional liberties are now at stake in this election as never before in our history. We can no longer afford to be negligent about our liberties and those of Christians around the world.

    Graham Combs/USA

  • JabbaPapa

    It has nothing to do with our shared Christianity, and you are utterly odious to suggest any such thing.

    You’ve just dropped several rungs in the already extremely low esteem that I held you in prior to this loathesome comment.

    You actually DON’T care about the physical reality that this poor child might face a violently motivated horrible death, do you ?

    No, it’s 900% more important to trot out your bolloxed intellectualised rubbish and to instrumentalise this poor girl’s suffering as a topic and means whereby to assault your personal bogeyman.

    Can you possibly imagine any reaction more childish ???

    Fie ! Fie !! Fie !!!

    You disgust me.

  • JabbaPapa

    It is fascinating to see that the ONLY person in here trying to impose his dogmatic views for the interpretation of this ugly story is a radical atheist.

  • Jonathan West

    I notice you didn’t actually answer the question.

    Just recall the headline to this artile “An 11-year-old girl with Down’s syndrome has fallen foul of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws. Should we really continue to support this anti-Christian country?”

    William Oddie’s concerns were with the fact that the country is anti-Christian, and with what he felt were the misuse of the blasphemy laws to attack Christians, with with their existence in the first place.

    Ad you have the effrontery to attack me for spouting “bolloxed intellectual rubbish” when I point this out.

  • JabbaPapa

    notice you didn’t actually answer the question

    That is because your question is so violently insulting that it doesn’t deserve even *this* sort of response.

    Do you or do you noy understand the meaning of the phrase “blinkered bigotry” as it might possibly be applied to your personal views ?

    Your characterisations of other people’s motivatons as you appear to fantasise them do not appear to be based on reality.

  • Jonathan West

    It is in order to avoid fantasising about your or other people’s motivations that I am asking questions about them, so that instead of fantasising I can find out.

    I notice that you don’t attempt to ask me about my motivations but instead you tell me what they are.

  • scary goat

     Sorry, I do not believe that you are asking questions in order to find out.  It is called “baiting”. You make false assumptions about what other people think and what their motivations are, and to be honest I think it is deliberate,  because I am sure from your many postings that you do not really misunderstand.You appear to just enjoy arguing. There is a whole world wide web out there. If you really want to find out things, why not make use of it instead of winding people up in here.  

  • scary goat

    You are wasting your time, Jabba.  It’s not worth arguing about.  If you try to answer his questions/opinions it is a foregone conclusion that your answers will be rejected, and if you give up on an argument he will claim that it’s because you have no answer.  It’s a no-win situation.  I have come across this  before. Mr. Oddie was right to say it’s better to ignore.   

  • JabbaPapa

    Exactly

  • Jonathan West

    You’redoing the same thing as JabbaPapa. You’remaking assumptions about my motivations.

  • Jonathan West

    scary goat

    Consider the following exchange from a recent interview of Richard Dawkins.

    Q: All the atheists we met at the skeptics convention in Las Vegas seemed to have a story about being kicked out of Sunday school.DAWKINS: Yes, that’s terribly funny. What a Sunday school teacher should say is “Let’s look at the evidence.” Instead they get cross. And the reason they get cross is that there isn’t any evidence.

    All I’m trying to do is work out what evidence you have for your views. And in response you get cross and want to throw me out.

  • John Wilson

    Of course these lunatics who arrested the girl are despicable. But all those who protest against this, rightly, are silent on the murders inflicted on hundreds of Pakistanis in the USAs criminal drone attacks.

    Dont forget that thousands of Catholic priests brutally abused thousands of children and the apologists say little on that.

  • scary goat

    Actually I am not cross. I am bored with the futility of trying to discuss with you.

  • JabbaPapa

    And nary a peep about the mental health issues of the morbidly obsessed monomaniacs in our midst either !!!

  • JabbaPapa

    Ooooh, I see that he has blessed us with a holy word from the Dawkins himself !!!

    Emptiness be praised !!

  • Acleron

    And like all who fail you completely avoid the idea and just play the man.

  • JabbaPapa

    EXCELLENT development in this case !!!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/9515586/Muslim-cleric-arrested-in-Pakistan-Koran-burning-case.html

    Muslim cleric arrested in Pakistan Koran-burning case

    Pakistani police have arrested a Muslim cleric on suspicion of planting evidence against a young Christian girl accused of blasphemy, the latest twist to a case that has shone a spotlight on the country’s persecuted minorities.

    Rimsha Misah has been held at a high-security prison for more than a fortnight after being arrested in a Christian enclave outside Islamabad. She is accused of burning pages of a religious text, a crime punishable with death.

    Now her supporters say she could be freed as soon as Monday.

    They say she has Down’s syndrome and is the victim of a long-running vendetta carried out by Muslims who want the Christian community to leave their homes.

    They appeared to be vindicated on Sunday, when Hafiz Mohammed Khalid Chishti, imam of a nearby mosque was presented before court to be charged with desecrating a Koran by adding pages to charred rubbish collected from Rimsha.

    He was detained in a raid late on Saturday night after worshippers at his mosque came forward to say he had been seen tampering with evidence.

    “He was arrested after his deputy Maulvi Zubair and two others told a magistrate he added pages from the Koran to the burnt pages brought to him by a witness,” said Munir Hussain Jaffri, a police investigator.

    The details offer the chance for Pakistan to draw a line under a seemingly intractable saga that has exposed its violent religious divide.

    LIES and HATRED exposed !!!!!

    Halleluia !!!

  • Wingsofmercyoutreach

    the U.S.A needs to cut all other countries off from any assistance at all. especailly the non Christian nations. mayby the reason why they are struggling is because of the wickedness of their nation. also this country needs to put a permanant ban on gays getting married. because a nation without God will not stand. are yall ready for that?

  • Disciple Of Yahushua

    Once again the true heart of Islam exposed, Islam exposes itself. Yahushua said “by their fruits you shall know them.” (Matthew 7:16)

    Yahushua also said,

    Matthew 15:18  “But what comes out of the mouth comes FROM THE HEART, and these defile the man. 
    Mat 15:19  For OUT OF THE HEART come forth EVIL REASONINGS, MURDERERS, ADULTERIES, WHORING, THEFTS, FALSE WITNESSES, SLANDERERS.”

    Islam is the religion of Satan because all these things come out of the heart of Islam:

    EVIL REASONING: 

    Obviously these people must’ve had some serious EVIL IN THEIR HEARTS to REASON WITHIN THEMSELVES that this mentally retarded girl deserves death instead of mercy. 

    YHWH is a JUST but also MERCIFUL and JUDGES RIGHTEOUSLY whereas Allah just does whatever and is ever changing doing how he feels but YHWH always feels to do good because HE IS GOOD. Good is what pleases Him. Islam has differing weights and differing measures which YHWH hates. READ THE SCRIPTURES MUSLIMS!

    Genesis 18:25  “Far be it from You to act in this manner, to kill the righteous with the wicked. And far be it from You, that the righteous should be as the wicked. Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

    Isaiah 11:3  “And He is made to breathe in the fear of YHWH. And He shall not judge according to the sight of His eyes, nor decide by the hearing of His ears. 
    Isa 11:4  But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and shall decide with uprightness for the meek of the earth. And He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.” 

    Zechariah 7:9 “This is what YHWH Almighty says: ‘Administer true justice; show mercy and compassion to one another.”

    Psalms 7:9  “O let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end, but establish the just. For the righteous God tries the minds and hearts. 
    Psa 7:10  My defense is from God, who saves the upright in heart. 
    Psa 7:11  God judges the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.”

    Proverbs 20:10  Differing weights and differing measures, Both of them are an abomination to YHWH.

    Matthew 5:7  “Blessed are the merciful! For they shall obtain mercy.” 

    Matthew 23:23  “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have left undone the weightier matters of the Law, judgment, mercy, and faith. You ought to have done these and not to leave the other undone.” 

    Luke 18:19  And YHWH said to him, Why do you call Me good? None is good except One, God.

    John 7:24  “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” 

    John 8:15  You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one. 
    Joh 8:16  But even if I judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone, but I and the Father who sent Me. 

    James 2:13  “For he who has shown no mercy shall have judgment without mercy, and mercy rejoices over judgment.”

     MURDERERS:

    Islam is a religion of hate, forget about all the violence it causes and just look at the hate in ensues. Yahushua said in Matthew 5:21  “You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,’ and whoever murders shall be liable to judgment. 
    Mat 5:22  But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be liable to judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘You worthless!’ shall be liable to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be liable to fire of Gehenna.” 

    And Yahuchannan by the Spirit of Yahushua (God) spoke thus in 1John 3:15  “Everyone hating his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has everlasting life staying in him.”

    Yes Islam is a religion of murderers. Just look at the hate, look at the anger when you criticize the Quran and Islam and question and reprove it. Most Muslims will get pissed! Islam is a religion of hate for the unbelievers, especially Christians and Jews. Islam is against Israel, they hate their brother. 

    Yes, Yishmael hates His brother Yitzchak for the promise, the eternal covenant and blessing (Genesis 17&21) and Esaw hates his brother Yaqub for the birthright (Genesis 25-27. It is a hate that stems from jealousy. You see rather than humble themselves and come to the Son of God Yahushua and be a part of His Assembly Y’sra’el they would rather go and do their own thing and go against YHWH and create their own religion and call it the faith of Abraham and kill His convert or kill his children rather then submit to God (Pro 3:34  The Lord resists the proud; but he gives grace to the humble). They would rather submit to the devil (Allah) and harness his temporal power for themselves and attempt to conquer the the world in their unholy warh (Jihad) and convert everyone to their doctrine of demons which they stole parts of from Y’sra’el’s Way of Life but it’s a perversion. Which brings me to this:

    THEFTS: Islam has stolen things from the Torah, the Prophets and the Renewed Covenant Writings and made their own stanic religion. You read the Quran and you’ll see bits and peices that sound kind of like it’s trying to be like the Bible but it is way off on so many levels. You can clearly see that a different Spirit inspired the Quran than that of the Set-Apart Scrolls of YHWH which are consistent from front to back in letter but especially also in Spirit. The Quran just sounds so stupid and lame which is why I can’t bring myself to read the whole thing constantly because it just sounds so unbelievably retarded and unbelievable and I’m so sad and feel so sorry for the majority who won’t even read the Bible because of the indoctrination of Islam to see for themselves how clearly Muhammed was not of this God who was involved in the scrolls of the Scriptures of Y’sra’el, the Book of the unchangeable God, who is LIVING and even TALKS people still today and is a relational being who is REAL who you can have a RELATIONSHIP with and KNOW not just know about. Yet we hear Muslims constantly trying to say that the Bible is corrupted but I challenged any Muslim to watch this video: Hadith Admit Koran Corrupt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBqzDl37jPQand and read the sources they are quoting and tell me that the Quran is not corrupt. Islam is a huge con on the people which was orchestrated by and illiterate man backed by the Catholic Church to get a hold of the temple mount. The Word of God never passes away. There is corruptions in Bibles today but the Word is is Living and people need to know Him the real Word of God who is Yahushua the Son of God who is God (oh is that too hard for you to understand? ASK GOD! GO TO HIM! NOT SOME MAN!) and if you knew Him He would teach you the Truth and direct you to His pure Word. Sadly most Muslims will die trusting in man and their traditions rather than the LIVING GOD and getting to KNOW HIM and perish eternally! This brings me to this:

    ADULTERIES, WHORING: Islam has a false righteousness and is religion of hypocrisy which focuses on the outward appearances but neglects having a truly repentant heart toward God hating even the the thoughts of sinning that might come into one’s mind. 

    Mattthew 23:23  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 
    Mat 23:25  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 
    Mat 23:26  Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 
    Mat 23:27  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 
    Mat 23:28  Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 

    It’s all about head coverings, praying five times a day, going to Ramadan, having beards and all these outward righteousnessess but neglects having a true heart with the foundation being LOVE. Truly loving God with all your heart mind soul and strength and your neigbour as yourself. Muslims are in utter idolatry which is spiritual adultery and whoring with the world apart from it’s literal whoring when they go out and rape and physically abuse poor, inoccent, helpless women.

    James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

    Yes they make their own god and who they want him to be instead of going to the true God who’s name is YHWH. They don’t like the true God because He’s not what they want to be so they’ve made their own god Allah which is actually Satan in disguise. They’ve made their own spiritual graven image of who God should be instead of worshipping Him for who He truly IS. They say God can’t have a Son but HE DOES. God says He never changes and His Word is the same forever but they say He does and has brought us a new revelation throught the unholy quran which abrogates everything that was said before by the prophets the things that God said no one could add to or take away from and if they did they have no light in them but are false prophets.

    Deuteronomy 4:2  You shall not add to the Word which I command you, nor take from it, to keep the commandments of YHWH your God which I command you. 

    Deu 12:28  Take heed to listen to all these Words which I am commanding you, in order that it may be well with you and with your sons after you forever, when you do that which is good and right in the eyes of YHWH our God. 
    Deu 12:29  When YHWH our God shall cut off the nations from before you, where you are going in to possess them, and you shall possess them, and shall live in their land, 
    Deu 12:30  take heed to yourself that you not be snared to follow them after they have been destroyed before you; and that you not inquire after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? And I shall do so, even I. 
    Deu 12:31  You shall not do so to YHWH your God; for everything abominable to YHWH which He detests, they have done to their gods. For they have even burned their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods. 
    Deu 12:32  All the things that I command you, take heed to do them and you shall not add to it, nor take away from it. 

    Deu 13:1  If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams rises among you, and gives you a sign or a wonder, 
    Deu 13:2  and the sign or the wonder which he spoke to you occurs, saying, Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us serve them, 
    Deu 13:3  you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams. For YHWH your God is testing you, to know if you love YHWH your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 
    Deu 13:4  You shall walk after YHWH your God, and you shall fear Him. And you shall keep His commandments, and you shall hear His voice, and you shall serve Him, and you shall cleave to Him. 
    Deu 13:5  And that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall die, because he has spoken apostasy against YHWH your God, who is bringing you out of the land of Egypt, and has redeemed you out of the house of slaves, to thrust you out of the way in which YHWH your God has commanded you to walk. And you shall put away evil from among you. 
    Deu 13:6  If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, shall entice you secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you have not known, you and your fathers, 
    Deu 13:7  of the gods of the people around you, those near you or far off from you, from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth, 
    Deu 13:8  you shall not consent to him, nor listen to him, nor shall your eye have pity on him, nor shall you spare nor hide him. 
    Deu 13:9  you shall surely report concerning him, and your hands shall be upon him among the first to slay him, and the hands of all the people at last.  
    Deu 13:10  And you shall stone him with stones, and he shall die, for he has sought to thrust you out from YHWH your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves.

    Isaiah 8:20 To the Law and to the Testimony! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them!

    Muslims are sadly in utter idolatry and would rather believe the words of a man who couldn’t even read than listen to the Word of God. They think that they are not idolaters because they don’t make statues and pictures but they have made an image of Him, in their own minds, an image of what they want God to be instead of what and who HE REALLY IS! Not only that but they go and pay homage to the Kabba stone not even seeing that it is a gigantic idol that was worshipped by pagans in times past and was just rededicated to Allah by Muhammed because he couldn’t stop getting his followers to worship it so he commanded his followers to pray towards it five times a day instead to give the allusion that it was a commandment from him and that he still had control even though he didn’t want them to at first but later then told to pray towards it five times a day. Muslims don’t even realize that the stone belongs to the deity Ba’al Peor which mean “Lord of the Vagina/Opening”. Look at the big ol’ hole ya’ll are kissin’ the Kabba stone through Muslims! IT’S A BIG OL’ VAGINA! Yes yet these false accusers slander us TRUE ISRAELITES saying that our Scriptures are corrupt and that we are pagans and polytheists saying speaking blasphemy against our God and us because we know He is Father, the Son and the Set-Apart Spirit and these ONE. They think they can say who God is better and what it means for Him to be but they are just doing what is right in their own eyes making their own fake god in their own minds up but we know that their end is utter destruction.

    DON’T DO WHAT’S RIGHT IN YOUR OWN EYES

    Numbers 15:39 And it shall be to you for a fringe, that you may look upon it and remember all the commands of Yahuweh, and do them; and so that you do not seek after your own heart and your own eyes, after which you prostitute yourself, 

    Deuteronomy 12:8 You shall not do according to all that we do here today, each doing whatever is right in his own eyes. 

    Judges17:6 In those days there was no king in Y’sra’el, but every man did that which was right in his eyes. 
    Jdg 21:25 In those days there was no king in Y’sra’el. Every man did the right in his own eyes. 

    Proverbs 3:5 Trust in Yahuweh with all your heart, and lean not to your own understanding. 
    Pro 3:7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear Yahuweh and depart from evil. 
    Pro 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he who listens to advice is wise. 
    Pro 14:12 There is a way which seems right to a man, but the end of it is the ways of death. 
    Pro 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end of it is the ways of death.
    Pro 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but Yahuweh ponders the hearts.

    Yes Islam is a religion of man and is not consistent with the Creator’s Word and never was. Islam is just another form of pagamism and heathenism. Muslims are just some more lost heathen/gentiles in this world who need to see the True Light of YHWH which His Torah/Word/Son Yahushua the Messiah.  Yes this religion of Satan is just showing it’s true heart and father which is the devil by it’s false accusations and witnesses slandering the faith and lifestyle of Abraham. Did you know that the word devil actually means false accuser/slanderer? Yes it does which brings me to this:

    FALSE WITNESSES, SLANDERERS: 

    G1228
    διάβολος
    diabolos
    dee-ab’-ol-os
    From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan (compare [H7854]): – false accuser, devil, slanderer.

    G1228
    διάβολος
    diabolos
    Thayer Definition:
    1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
    1a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer
    2) metaphorically applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with him
    Part of Speech: adjective
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1225
    Citing in TDNT: 2:72, 150

    Yes one of the major traits of Islam is false witness and accusations and slander just like it’s father, satan. What don’t believe me? Going around saying that Israel’s faith is not the true faith but Islam is, that the bible is corrupt, that we perverted the teachings of the prophets and the Messiah and that we are polytheists who worship 3 gods when we worship the One God YHWH the Creator and King of the Universe.

    Yes clear traits of the accuser of our brothers, the satan (adversary): 

    Revelation 12:10  And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Anointed (Messiah), because the accuser of our brothers is thrown down, the one accusing them before our God day and night. 

    Yes this false accuser of our brothers is the father of Islam, the devil:

    John 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it. 

    Yes Muslims are of they’re father, the devil and are murderers just like him and are liars just like him not abiding in the Truth. 

    Muslims say they believe in Yahushua (falsely called Jesus) but they don’t, they make Him out to be a liar. They bear false witness.

    They don’t keep His commandments so they don’t know Him. But they claim to so this is a false witness.

    1John 2:4  He who says, I have known Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 

    They say that they believe Yahushua is the Anointed One but they don’t really believe it because they don’t acknowledge His teachings and His Testimony of who He really was and is. That mean they are false witnesses, liars. They say God has no son, that Yahushua is not the Son of God, that means they don’t have the Son and if they don’t have the Son then they don’t have the Father which means they have no eternal life which means they are already dead in Yah’s eyes.

    1John 2:22  Who is a liar but he who denies that Yahsuhua is the Anointed? He who denies the Father and the Son is anti-anoitned (anti-christ). 
    1Jn 2:23  Everyone who denies the Son neither has the Father. The one confessing the Son also has the Father. 
    1Jn 2:24  Therefore what you heard from the beginning, let it abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, you will abide in both the Son and in the Father. 
    1Jn 2:25  And this is the promise that He has promised us: everlasting life. 

    Revelation 3:1  “And to the messenger (angel) of the assembly in Sardis write, ‘He who has the seven Spirits of Elohim and the seven stars, says this, “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 

    Yes Islam is Anti-Christ. Clearly according to biblical standards which are the true standards. Islam is already dead and it is only a matter of time before it’s destruction will come for it’s evils on God’s people and all the poor innocent people it has tread upon. 

    Islam claims to be a religion of peace and love but true Islam is told to conquer the whole earth and convert every infidel to their religion/lie and anyone who doesn’t should be killed wwhich mean that they do not love their brother, mankind by giving him a free choice in whether or not he should foolow their doctrine of deceptive demons or not. Also as we said above the Islamic faith came from the Arabs who are Ishmaelites who are jealous and angry witht heir brother Yitzchak (Isaac) because the Father gave Him the promise of the everlasting covenant and to his seed insead of Yishmael so this hate still continues today and also we know according to the Scriptures that the Esaw (Esau) mingled with the Ishmaelites and his seed the Edomites were mixed in with them and Esaw hates his brother because of the birthright and blessing Yaqub got instead of him and this hate has continued this day. So Islam does not loves it’s brother. That makes you a false witness. And guess what Esaw? God hates you!

    1John 4:20  If anyone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar. For if he does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 
    1Jn 4:21  And we have this commandment from Him, that he who loves God should love his brother also. 

    Malachi 1:2  I have loved you, says YHWH. But you say, In what way have You loved us? Was not Esaw the brother to Yaqub? Yet YHWH declares, I loved Yaqub, 
    Mal 1:3  and I have hated Esaw and have made his mountains a desolation, and his inheritance to be for the jackals of the wilderness. 

    Clearly we see that Islam’s Allah and his prophet of lies is a god of false witness, accusations, slanderins, lies, murders, evil reasonings, thefts, whorings and adulteries. Yes this false accusing religion would like to condemn some mentally retarded girl who know nothing about what she did. Yes it is clear what Islam is all about an who it’s father is. Yes by you fruits you shall know them and this is the fruit of Islam. Rotten fruit. Yes the heart of Islam is manifest by what comes out of Islam. Sadly what Islam will read it will sow. 

    Galatians 6:7  “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that he also will reap.” 

    BE NOT DECEIVED (By the wayAllah is called “the Deceiver” in the Quran). No one who does these thing will enter the kingdom of God.

    Psalms 140:11  “Let not a slanderer be established in the land; Let evil hunt the man of violence speedily.”

    Romans 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 

    Galatians 5:19  Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, whoring, uncleanness, lustfulness, 
    Gal 5:20  idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 
    Gal 5:21  envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    1Corinthians 6:9  Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither whores, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals, 
    1Co 6:10  nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

    Revelation 21:8  But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. 

    Time to repent Esaw before it’s too late and you reap what you sow! Better read the prophet Obadiah’s warning! Go read all the Prophets! There is judgement coming on all the Islamic nations! Many of the prophecies concerning the end times judgement of God on this evil earth are modern day Islamic nations! Wake up!

    TURN TO THE LIVING GOD AND TURN AWAY FROM THE IDOL ALLAH WHO IS REALLY THE SHAITAN!

    1Corinthians 10:20  But I say that the things which the nations/gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God. And I do not desire that you should have fellowship with demons. 
    1Co 10:21  You cannot drink the cup of YHWH and the cup of demons; you cannot be partakers of the YHWH’s table and of a table of demons. 

    REPENT FROM YOUR PERVERTED WICKED WAYS!

    YAHUSHUA HU AKBAR!!!

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