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How did Jimmy Savile fool everyone for so long?

The BBC was blinded by his celebrity status. But its problems with group-think are shared by many institutions

By on Friday, 26 October 2012

Jimmy Savile at the BBC in 1972 (Photo: PA)

Jimmy Savile at the BBC in 1972 (Photo: PA)

I have just been watching a replay of the BBC Panorama programme about Jimmy Savile. There were many clips of his very successful TV programmes dominated by Savile himself, with his trademark cigar, platinum hair and wearing his tracksuit. With the advantage of hindsight we all now know that he was far from the public-spirited eccentric that he presented in the media. Watching his antics during the Panorama programme, the question in my mind was: how did he get away with not just fooling some of the people some of the time, but seemingly all the people all the time – for decades?

Some of the answer to this lies in the institutional blindness of the BBC to the reality behind Savile’s smiling, zany mask. Mary Riddell, in an article about Savile in the Telegraph, rehearsed the well-known quote of Edmund Burke that evil flourishes when good men do nothing. But in this case it seems that the BBC did nothing because they saw nothing; they lived in a complacent cocoon in which high ratings and celebrity status were all-important.

This inability to see what is obvious can be true of any institution – including the Church. I am not talking here about cover-ups in the case of child abuse (though that has parallels with the Savile case) but more generally: when the self-belief of an institution takes over and becomes an end in itself, so that no one says “Wait a minute. What’s going on here?” Self-preservation has become more important than truth.

These reflections followed both the Savile programme and an article by Jim Graves which I then read in Catholic World Report, about a group of sedevacantist nuns who returned to the Church five years ago and who are now thriving in a new religious community. Sedevacantists, for those who have not come across them, do not accept the legitimacy of any of the popes since the end of the Second Vatican Council; they believe that all the recent popes – Paul VI, John Paul I and II and now Pope Benedict XVI – are “illegitimate” because they have preached modernist doctrines and that the Ordinary rite of Mass and the Sacraments are invalid.

Ordinary Catholics think that to have a mindset like this is weird as well as extreme – but it happens. Group-think takes over, reinforced by isolation from everyday life, and before you know it you have a skewed view of reality which is quite out of touch with the norm. It could be the BBC, with its cult of a “celebrity” like Savile and its refusal to notice certain peculiar features of his act; or it could be a band of ultra-faithful Catholics, deciding to march away from the Church and set up an alternative magisterium of their own.

Sister Mary Eucharista, one of the former sedevacantist nuns who have now returned to Rome, says tellingly that “the traditional environment [she was living with her family] kept us from being concerned about the cult-like practices of the group”. These practices included women having to wear long dresses and cover their heads; being discouraged from reading newspapers and watching TV; and smoking being regarded as a mortal sin. Another nun, Mother Kathryn Joseph, added, “It seemed like an oasis of Catholic culture. We never saw ourselves as separate from the Catholic Church. In fact, we thought the Catholic Church left us.”

Gradually the truth filtered through: the Sisters saw devout rank-and-file Catholics on a pilgrimage to Rome; they watched EWTN; they met members of Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity as well as faithful, mainstream parish clergy. These slowly combined to “break the spell of lies the Sisters were living under”. Mother Kathryn Joseph admits: “I realised I had been wrong for 35 years. But I was happy to have been proved wrong.”

What about the BBC? The spell has certainly been rudely broken. Now tearing itself apart over the huge number of allegations surrounding Savile (300 at the last count), will it do some serious soul-searching and return to the high standards of its original remit as a public service broadcaster – or will it intone the mantra “Nothing like this must ever happen again”, go through the motion of official enquiries but still seek to preserve its self-serving, sharp-suited (as journalist Peter Oborne describes it) fiefdom?

  • Cestius

    There are indeed some parallels between what happened at the BBC and what happened in the Catholic Church.  Both organizations were not fast enough on the ball to see what was happening and didn’t do enough to intervene. Now the BBC faces all the problems the Catholic Church has dealt with, a mountain of accusations going back decades, some almost impossible to deal with being decades old, and key witnesses no longer about, the smell of compensation money and lawyers fees in the water attracting more attention.  Perhaps the saddest thing about the BBC was that their own journalists had spent a large amount of time investigating and castigating the Catholic Church and through what I feel was prejudice assumed that it was just a problem of the Church caused by celibacy and the church’s hierarchy. (Of which they thoroughly disapprove.) That’s probably why they didn’t see what was going on in their own organization right under their noses – they seem to have assumed that it couldn’t possibly happen in a “progressive” organization like the BBC.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    a)  A culture of worship of rock and pop and drug-use and all its associates, including those 1970′s DJ’s. 

    Can we all at last agree now that the 1960′s and its Woodstock generation were a very serious regression in human life? Just how much more proof is needed? We will all be better off when all of them are at last dead.

    b)  The cynicism of the BBC’s “celeb” and “luvvie” culture, which clearly allowed many people at that institution who knew exactly what he was doing to snigger behind their own filthy hands and say nothing.

    c)   A catastrophic moral decline from the middle 1950′s onwards which caught up the baby boomer generation in its tentacles in the 1960′s, a decline which culminated in the 1970′s when (just two examples):

    (i)  Two future Labour Party government ministers could work for an NGO (now called “Liberty”) which actively promoted the legalisation of sex with minors (aka paedophila);

    (ii)  The Bishops of Belgium could issue a “catechism” complete with pictures of naked children and explanations of how to touch them sexually. 

    Savile’s story is that of an individual pervert but arises from the maelstrom of a Western world in catastrophic decline, a decline in which the Catholic Church has actively participated and has done very little to combat; indeed, a decline which because of its own Revolution and disastrous doctrinal and disciplinary collapse it has furthered.

  • http://twitter.com/Simon_Gardner Simon Gardner

    Because he was a Catholic

  • teigitur

    Right on the money!

  • teigitur

    Also right on the money!

  • karlf

    Jimmy was from the previous generation, but used the ‘rock and pop’ culture to further his own, perverted agenda.
    Have you read any of Theodore Dalrymple’s books?

  • Iangowans

    When will the Vatican strip Savile of his papal knighthood?

  • Jeannine

    The question, ”
    How did Jimmy Savile fool everyone for so long?” is equivalent to  “How did Fr Marcial Maciel fool everyone for so long?”

    Find the answer to 1 of the questions can probably be applied to the other question. These types of individuals are able to “hide” within the bureacracy & exploit it at the same time. Just imagine how many of these types are in any government!

  • Papa Sisto

    It must be Hell inside your head.

  • Neil Addison

     Possibly after the Queen strips him of his British Knighthood !  More seriously surely any such decision should await the outcome of a proper investigation.  All these allegations have arisen after his death and when he is unable to reply to them,  I do not know where the truth lies but even a dead man is entitled to some element of simple justice.

  • whytheworldisending

    The BBC is a secular organisation, not a church. Why should we expect anything good to come from it?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    No, don’t know this writer.

  • Olenka Frenkiel

    He didn’t fool “everyone” at all.   Apparently everyone “knew” or, more accurately perhaps,  had heard rumours. But who did anything about it? Some turned a blind eye. Some sniggered and gossiped. Most just turned away in disgust. Who could blame them? Who dares to take on a powerful celebrity with big organisations behind him who have a stake in his good reputation?   To say nothing of the libel laws which had all the press cowering. Two people took it on, after his death. But the power of a celebrity, even a dead celebrity, trumps that of a living victim (not that young and “just-the-women”) 

    It emerged at the Select Committee hearing, that the BBC decided to gift the dead Savile more protection than the law required. They would treat the story as though Savile were still alive. They would raise the threshold of proof to impossible levels – the levels of those libel laws which had silenced his victims for decades. Why?  Whose idea was that to bias their judgement against the victims’ testimonies without ever viewing those testimonies. They succeeded in silencing the victims for another 9 months, It would have silenced them forever had ITV not picked up their testimony – and seen the opportunity to air it freely. The hard work of those two journalists was almost thwarted by their pharisaical bosses who then, to cover their own indolence, (they didn’t even watch the interviews with the victims) and misguided righteousness, misled the public about why they dropped the story.None of us gets any credit in this story.  Only those two journalists, Meirion Jones and Liz MacKean   did what was required and listened to the victims, checked the truth of the rumours and tried to passed on their findings to the public. None of us would ever have known the truth about Savile had they not done those hard yards of work, checking, interviewing, corroborating, and reporting. (Or trying to.) We owe them thanks and the BBC owes them an apology 

  • Jill_armstead

    What, all of us?  How about if there is one good baby-boomer (cf Job etc).

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    Enough, that’s all that counts. 

  • Rizzo the Bear

    The BBC should also look into bullying, intimidation and mental cruelty, too…

  • JabbaPapa

    Fr Marcial Maciel was an extremely skillful manipulator and con-man.

    Possibly a part of the answer is, indeed, in the comparison between the two…

  • JabbaPapa

    English knighthoods do not persist after the person’s death — so it’s really a fairly simple matter of no longer addressing him as “Sir”.

  • Nat_ons

    Because we were encouraged to allow it; cling to to ignorance – or ignoring unpleasant facts, rather – may not be bliss .. but it is all too human.

  • karlf

    Here is a sample, which is quite typical of his work:
    http://www.city-journal.org/article01.php?aid=1371

  • GratefulCatholic

    It will be very interesting to watch if and how the doctrine of vicarious liability is prosecuted in this matter with the BBC. And how the BBC responds to any such actions, given its zealous public persecution of the Catholic Church. To be consistent it should just offer itself up, mea culpa, for punishment. Somehow though I don’t think that likely?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    Karlf, thanks, I read the link and yes – excellent.

  • Kevin

    I am not sure the analogy with sedevacantism works.

    They could just as easily be described as people who actually did ask with reference to the Church, “Wait a minute. What’s going on here?”.

    To continue this alternative analogy, if one ignores their protests out of hand, is it perhaps because “Self-preservation has become more important than truth”?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    Francis, EWTN is no longer an organisation to crow about. Are you aware of how many of its “star” clergy have left it, having been discovered as child molesters, serial philanderers or just plain barmy? There are at least four or five, and insiders say that’s just the tip of the iceberg. 

    I used to respect EWTN. No longer.

  • Andrew

    Watching John Sergeant, Michael Portillo, Alan Johnson and Andrew Neil sniggering together on the This Week couch on Thursday night, moments after Sergeant had posted the most egregious apologia of BBC innocence in this matter, I don’t think I’ll be holding my breath!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Judy-Block-Jones/1065937918 Judy Block-Jones

    Child predators are very cunning and manipulative. They know every trick on how to groom, threaten, lie, and put the fear of god into their victims and sometimes even their family members.

     

    They also appear to do a lot of goods things, they can be very charismatic and you may think they would never harm a child. They have to be this way, in order to not get caught and to continue to abuse

    Sexual predators are often powerful and well-loved. It would be comforting if those who preyed on the vulnerable were obvious social misfits whose appearance would somehow set off alarm bells and give us the willies or the creeps. They rarely do. Usually, predators are among the last people we would suspect of sexually violating others. At a party, the predator isn’t some oddball sitting alone in a corner because others feel uncomfortable with him. Most often, the predator is the guy throwing the party.

    We must overcome the dangerous myth that because someone is successful or warm or caring, he or she couldn’t have done that!

    Also, we must stop thinking that because a man is old, that somehow hes automatically safe. Its just irresponsible to endanger kids by assuming an adult is harmless simply because he or she may be losing hair, wearing glasses, using hearing aids or walking with a cane. These can be signs of advancing age, but they are not signs that an individual is safe around kids.

    It is extremely rare that a child predator has only one victim. Hopefully anyone who suspects or may have been harmed by and sexual predator, will have the courage to come forward and contact the police.

    Also keep in mind your silence only hurts, and by speaking up there is a chance for healing, exposing the truth, and therefore protecting others.

    Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA, 636-433-2511. snapjudy@gmail.com,

    (SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,) is the worlds oldest and largest support group for clergy abuse victims.

    SNAP was founded in 1988 and has more than 12,000 members. Despite the word priest in our title, we have members who were molested by religious figures of all denominations, including nuns, rabbis, bishops, and Protestant ministers and increasingly, victims who were assaulted in a wide range of institutional settings like summer camps, athletic programs, Boy Scouts, etc.

     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    Judy, may I ask a couple of questions? 

    My own reading suggests that the sexual abuse of minors committed by Catholic priests in the US began from a very low level, rose dramatically starting in the late 1950′s and reached its height during the 1960′s to the end of the 1980′s, and since then has fallen away very markedly. 

    Would you agree with that?

    Also, it is true in the US that the incidence of abuse at the hands of Catholic priests, which has shocked all of us horribly, is nevertheless dwarfed by the incidence of abuse at the hands of teachers in the High School system?

    Would be glad to have your comments on those two points.

  • JabbaPapa

    Yes, I’d like to see those comments as well !!!

    Having said that :

    My own reading suggests that the sexual abuse of minors committed by
    Catholic priests in the US began from a very low level, rose
    dramatically starting in the late 1950′s and reached its height during
    the 1960′s to the end of the 1980′s, and since then has fallen away very
    markedly.

    My own reading does not support this narrative, though you’re close to the general truth of it.

    I think there are no reliable statistics prior to 1950s, simply because it’s too long ago ; but the level of child abuse in the 1950s (IF the ratio of numbers of complaints versus actual incidents is roughly stable) is probably the highest of all.

    The main reason why statistics of *convictions* and of *known* cases are lower for that decade is because by the 1990s, large numbers of the 1950s priests involved were either dead of old age, or unfit to stand trial because of it (the innocent and the guilty alike).

    My own reading suggests that the peak was 1950s-1970s, and that the decline started in 1980s, and started falling markedly from end of 1980s onwards, particularly during 1990s, after which it has become a very marginal phenomenon.

    The numbers of convicted priests in 1980s is disproportionately high from the fact that fewer of them could escape trial by their death or advanced senility.

    I’m unaware of any extensive studies of child molesting by clergy prior to WW2 … and possibly Judy could throw some light on this question as well.

  • Solent Rambler

    “We will all be better off when all of them (the Woodstock generation) are at last are dead.”   That’s a bit harsh, isn’t it?

    “A catastrophic moral decline from the 1950s onwards…”  Were the first and second world wars pinnacles of moral probity earlier in the century? 

    Sorry, but I think your historical analysis is crude to say the least.

  • aearon43

    In my neighborhood these decades (for all their faults) allowed the displaced aristocracy of Europe to succeed, despite the protestations of Americans with surnames like Carter. (I can tell you’re American, Carter, it’s the hysterics.) So yes, low-born, it’s a little bit different, you don’t just succeed by being English. In the 30′s to 50′s onwards the Irish, Italians, Polish and Jews staked out a claim in America. (I know you’re American.)

    Got a problem with that, Carter?

  • aearon43

    Of course not. Carter doesn’t read anything outside of the approved “trad” circle, does he?

  • aearon43

    No, it’s all “trad” all the time, eh Carter?

  • aearon43

    Yes, all much better off with the Irish, blacks, women, and Jews in their places, right? A much clearer career progression for low-skilled, low-born people with plebian English names like Carter.

  • aearon43

    Say, Carter, would one good uneducated little servant pleb be enough to save people like you?

  • Lewispbuckingham

     ‘how the BBC responds’
     Well there will be a lot of political wringing of hands, followed by a select committee to examine the facts, followed by a judicial enquiry.
     After all the evidence is brought together it will be discovered that he ‘acted alone’ and was a supreme manipulator that conned everyone, this meme is already well established.
     A few heads will roll,taxpayers will pay out those that have been abused so that it is seen that justice is done, and the the BBC will plough on,’nothing to see here, move on move on’.
    Those strident voices that have pointed to the crimes of Catholic priests will be strangely silent.

  • aearon43

    Isn’t he something?

  • Charles Martel

    Sedevacantism is an understandable but entirely wrong-headed solution to the ills of the Church. However, Mother Kathryn Joseph is somewhat fooling herself if she believes that most ordinary Catholics in the USA – or for that matter, the UK – are really Catholic in their beliefs. They are not. The rot has now gone very deep; so deep, in fact, that most Catholics cannot tell you how they are different from protestants in any way whatsoever (except to say, perhaps, that ‘we have the Pope and they don’t’). Many many Catholics now believe that the ‘unspeakable crime’ of abortion is perfectly acceptable, and should be kept legal. Likewise the sin of sodomy that ‘cries to heaven for vengeance’. They will tell you that maybe it’s a good thing after all that these types can now live as husband and husband. Mother Kathryn Joseph lived in cloud cuckoo land before, but is now in danger of living in another very different type of cloud cuckoo land.

  • http://twitter.com/Ljubljanalady It says there look

     
    From The National Poet Of Slovenia In A Language People Understand

    Jimmy Saville – Catholick (1 Lost K)

    LS Calamity Jock: Veil Him,
    Jovially Slim Came Thick
    Hill Tyke, Más-Vocalic Jim,
    Jimmy Saville – Catholick.
    Ivy Hi! Jam Locks. Call Time -
    Vocally, Jim A Thick Slime
    Cave Ilk Jilt Coal…Shimmy
    Tell Saliva Cock, “Hi Jimmy”
    Clock Heavily Jim. Slam It.
    Jams Cock Vilely. Ha! Limit.   
     
    “I Act All Evil” – Jimmy Shock
    Salty Hijack, Come, I’ll Vim                         .
    Illicit Slave; Hammy Jock                      .
    I’ll (Jovial) Thy Mecca Skim
    Killjoy, Eh? A Clam’s Victim?
    Hail, Sticky Clam! Love Jim.
    Vocalic Majesty…Kill Him!

    Ova Milk, Hectically Jism
    Actively-Hijack-Moll-Ism
    Voila! I’ll Jetsam My Chick,
    Mystical Jive Moll – A Hick.
    Icky Mismatch, Vial Jello,
    Jism Chilly – Vacate Limo.
    Vital Jell, Icky Machismo,
    Cavity Jism Claim…Hello ……………
    Limo, Atavism, Chicky Jell,                                                 .
    Chick Joviality, Ma Smell,                                                    .             
    Victim Claims…A Joky Hell.                                                 .
                                                                                               .
    Cock Salami, Jive Thy Mill -                                                   .
    Cock Avail He Jimmy still,                                                     .
    Sketchy Claim, Jovial Mil,                                                    .
    Jock Salami Milch, It Levy                                                    .
    Ism: Lilac Jock, Milt Heavy.                                                  .
                                                                                             . .
    Vet Him Calmly? Jail Sicko?                                                  .
    Alack My Victims Jelli-Oh,                                                     .
    Via Telly, Chicks Jam Limo,                                                   .
    His Lava Cock Jets, My! I’m Ill,                                             .
    Majesty, Villa, Chick, Limo -                                                   .
    Jail? (Vitally, Chick Memos).                                                    .
                                                                                                 .
    Italy…Ma Chill Smock Jive                                                        .
    Love A Lilac Kitsch Jimmy;                                                     .
    Majesty!! Macho Lick Villi                                                     .
    Holy Jam: Victims Lack Lie.                                               .
                                                                                           . .
    Holy Jackal, Vilest Mimic,                                                    .
    Chick, Salami, Jelly, Vomit,                                                  .
    Clammily Love, Hijack, Sit,                                                  .
    Slam Chick Jovially, Emit                                                    .
    Vile Jock Milch, Salty Aim;                                                 .
    Hick Jolly – Activism Lame;                                                 .
    Vocalic Jimmy, A Shell Kit,                                                 .
    Alack, I, Jimmy, Shovel Clit.                                                 .
                                                                                              . .
    Jimmy Click, Hotel Saliva,                                                       .
    Alive Jimmy, Cock Still? Ha!                                                      .
    Hmm – I’ll Via Sticky Cajole                                                      .
    Slickly Jam A Victim Hole.                                                       .
    Catcall, Jive, Hi Mom! Silky,                                                      .
    Clavicle A Jim Shot Milky.                                                        .
    Hmm, Vocalic Key Jilt, Ails,                                                     .
    Victim Joke, Calmly Hails.                                                       .
    Tick Holy, Alms Claim Jive,                                                      .
    Victim Yells:   Hi -      Jackal:   Om                                           .
                                                                                                  . .
    Click. Aha. Live Jimmy Slot.                                                      .
    Almost Civilly Hijack ‘Em                                                          .
    Icky Claims, Halve Mil Jot                                                         .
    Icky Saliva, Lice? Jolt. Hmm…                                                  .
    Jackal Mimic Host, Evilly,                                                         .
    Cock Vitae, Hmm? Jail? Silly.                                                   .
                                                                                                  . .
    Loath, Clicks Veil a Jimmy                                                        .
    Hi, Calmly Civil, Jets Amok                                                       .
    Jimmy Live, All Hits, A Cock                                                      .
    My Cock Vital Ma, I Jell His,                                                     .
    Cock Alive! All Shit Jimmy                                                         .
    Cock Alive! All This Jimmy                                                         . .
    Cock Alive – All Hit Jimmy’s                                                       .
    Cock. Mallets! Jail Him Ivy!                                                      .  .  .
                                                                                                   . .
    Coma. Mask. Civil? Jelly Hit.                                                    .     .
    Icky Alcove/Jail?…Mmh, Slit                                                       ….. .  . . . . . . k
    Lavish Cock: Maim, Jelly It             
    Lovesick Jimmy, Lilac Hat               
    All Evil Cock, I, Jimmy, Shat.
                 

    Let us pray, for they are both constantly under attack.

    I am talking about posthumously-recognised marathon underage girl consumer and £40m charity fundraiser Sir Jimmy Saville OBE, KCSG, DJ – and the Catholic Church.

    If you’ve never been come across by either you’re pretty lucky really!  

    The poem considers Jim’s journey from coal miner, to wrestler, club bouncer, pops presenter, road safety brainwasher, to fixing childrens’ dreams on telly, to helping out at the hospital, Papal Knighthood, and heading up the top high-security hospital prison for Britain’s most deranged lunatic killers and dangerous rapists.  Yet Jim always managed to find time in between to be an irritating twat.

    Words simply cannot describe my Shock when the Holy Spirit took me by the hand and it was made flesh in a flash that every single line of the poem was an anagram of the words “JIMMY SAVILLE CATHOLICK”, Using All Of The Letters Each Time.

    This can only mean one thing: I am His most humble servant, being used as a conduit to deliver this message from a celestially-based deity, i.e. God – or possibly Saville himself.  

    That’s just a fact because you can see how well it fits in with Bible Teachings. That The Poem Be Indeed His Manifestion is further proved by all the capital letters, like in a poster for a Victorian seance.  Does anyone here recognise the name Ivy?

    As nothing ever changes, the spelling is Pope Pius IV’s.  Similarly: apostolick.  For religious modernisers (whatever that means) there’s one line in the poem without a k, which means a kiss has been left over.  Is it for you?

    Imagine!  Everything you needed to know about Saville’s decades of interfering with TV guests/prison kids/corpses/coma patients (take your pick, story ongoing) was hidden in plain sight right there in the words “JIMMY SAVILLE CATHOLICK” all along!  

    Had this key to the Opus Dei secret cipher only been known, the Vatican could have interfered and moved Saville to an island in the Philippines.

    Saville’s Slovenia connections are less well-known: he lived with his mother until she died; he never married; and had a deep suspicion of other relationships.  Hooray for the Pope!
     
    LS is the postcode for Leeds.  

    http://archive.org/stream/a626005800chaluoft#page/n1/mode/2up

    The National Poet Of Slovenia In A Language People Understand interprets important Slovenian affairs for the non-Slovene speaking world. http://www.maria.si

  • Jeannine

    Many of these priest abusers were sexually abused themselves by priests when they were young. You may want to read the book “Sacrilige” by Leon Podles. He attempts to delve into the beginnings of such abuse. He concludes that we will never know the entire damage because many of these suspected priests are dead.

    Let me say that Mr Podles is by no means anti-Catholic but a very devout practicing one who wants the Church to rid itself of this travesty. The book is an eye-opener but do not share it with tender-hearted. (I could not read the entire book; the truth can be horrible.)

  • Elleblue

    None of this surprises me at all. Many people are only too willing to turn the other way when it comes to protecting children. It’s despicable but true.

  • JabbaPapa

    Many of these child molesters were sexually abused themselves by men when they were young.

    FTFY

    I’ve myself read some information that I’d love to unlearn ; but focusing exclusively on any particular professional group is distortive and wrongful, no matter how well-intentioned.

  • GFFM

    He sounds very much like Jerry Sandusky, the Penn State assistant football coach. What will be found about Savile is that the signs were there and were ignored for suppressed.

  • http://twitter.com/Ljubljanalady It says there look

    http://www.jim.si – shows how the truth could have been uncovered all along

  • Jeannine

    I would normally agree with you but the priesthood is a vocation not a profession. They have been called by God to lead His people. They can’t lead properly if they can not be trusted. And the truth must be revealed to “clean house.” Yet I do not agree with destroying a priest’s reputation based on hearsay. He also has the right to be innocent before proven guilty.

  • Parasum

     Or like Maciel. The warnings & info about him were ignored, as were the accusations. JP2 was taken in by him, and so were some Catholics, who noticed what (they saw as) his accusers’ shortcomings, so they concluded he must be innocent. But they were wrong, and his accusers were not wrong. I really don’t think that ere are a position to point the finger at the BBC, when the Church’s bishops & priests have behaved as badly as they have for so long.

    Or if that is too close to home – how did Lance Armstrong get away for so long ?

    The only puzzle here is that some people are puzzled. Why is it so unbelievable that men – & it does seem to be men – whom no-one has had the courage to withstand or restrain ot criticise, end by committing crime upon crime ? It is so naive for people who supposedly take sin seriously to be surprised by what people are capable of doing. 

  • Parasum

     “…a decline in which the Catholic Church has actively participated and has
    done very little to combat; indeed, a decline which because of its own
    Revolution and disastrous doctrinal and disciplinary collapse it has
    furthered.”

    ## But the Vatican, which rules the CC, is incapable of admitting it has fouled up. It is incapable of seeing it is a part of the problem in the West,
    & a cause of the West’s corruption & decadence & enervation. Other organisations attract suspicions of having a vested interest in behaving as they do, even when that hurts a lot of people – why should the CC not be put under the same spotlight ? A body of men that is wilfully blind to the catastrophic harm done by V2, & still more by its “orientations”, that praises this Golden Calf at every opportunity, is not fit to look after a paper bag. But why should their blindness destroy the rest of the Church ? It will, if we insist on deferring to blind guides. 

     

  • Parasum

     He’s well worth reading.

    This essay is pretty typical of his style:

     http://incharacter.org/features/theodore-dalrymple-on-self-esteem-vs-self-respect/

  • Parasum

     The CC makes claims for itself & its relation to God that the BBC does not make for itself. By that standard, the BBC is merely a murky grey, but the CC is black as midnight, inconceivably worse than any merely human organisation.

  • Sweetjae

    Sedevacantism’s position is more logical and  tenable than the position of SSPX.

  • 2_Armpits_4_Sister_Sarah

    It’s easy to fool people. In my diocese they are celebrating 50 years of Vatican II. Who are they kidding? Do they sound the sort of people who would see through Jimmy Savile?