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The persecution of Christians in Morsi’s Egypt is now serious. So, will Obama use his billion dollar subsidy in their defence? Don’t hold your breath

Obama’s personal history may explain why

By on Friday, 18 January 2013

A man weeps over the coffin of a Copt killed in clashes in Cairo last year (AP)

A man weeps over the coffin of a Copt killed in clashes in Cairo last year (AP)

I open by drawing your attention to the shocking story (one among an increasing number of examples of the growing oppression of Coptic Christians under Egypt’s brand-new Islamist dictatorship) of Nadia Mohamed Ali, who was brought up as a Christian, and converted to Islam when she married a Muslim, 23 years ago. He later died, and his widow decided to return to her Christian faith, together with her children. She registered as such under the Mubarak regime, and applied for and received new identity cards containing this information, between 2004 and 2006. When her re-conversion to her old faith emerged under the Morsi regime, Nadia was sentenced to fifteen years in prison: so too were her seven children; even the clerks who processed the identity cards were imprisoned.

In the article where you may read about this (link above), Benjamin Weinthal draws attention to an interesting question, posed by one Jordan Sekulow, who runs something called the American Center for Law and Justice. “Now that Sharia law has become an integral part of Egypt’s new constitution, Christians in that country are at greater risk than ever,” comments Sekulow of the imprisonment of Nadia Mohamed Ali and her children. “This is another tragic case that underscores the growing problem of religious intolerance in the Muslim world. To impose a prison sentence for a family because of their Christian faith sadly reveals the true agenda of this new government: Egypt has no respect for international law or religious liberty.”

All, I fear, increasingly evident, as Morsi’s real agenda unfolds before the Western world’s horrified gaze, causing many to wonder if Egypt really wasn’t a lot better off under the tender mercies of Hosni Mubarak. Morsi has refused to take any action against the rising violence against the Copts (10 per cent, don’t forget, of Egypt’s population). In August, the Christian community in a place called Dahshour (some 100 families) was forced to flee after their Muslim neighbours violently attacked their homes and property. Morsi simply said, when asked, that their expulsion and the violence against them had been “blown out of proportion”. He has done nothing to contain the violence encouraged by radical Salafi preachers – who have of course formed an alliance with Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood – who called for Muslims to “shun” Christians during Christmas: not, we may be sure, a simple matter of ignoring them.

So, what, it might be wondered, will President Obama say about all this? Morsi is due to meet the President, possibly in March. Sekulow thinks that the US State Department should play “more of a role in discouraging this kind of persecution. The US should not be an idle bystander. The US provides more than $1 billion to Egypt each year. The State Department should speak out forcefully against this kind of religious persecution in Egypt.”

But will it? Will President Obama use that billion dollars (which he will add, don’t forget, to America’s multi-trillion dollar deficit) to bring pressure on Morsi to protect his Christian minority? For the answer to that, I refer you to a very interesting piece by Michael Yussuf, born an Egyptian Copt and now an American citizen, who opens with a simple question: “Why doesn’t President Obama – who claims to be a Christian – ever defend the cause of the harassed and persecuted Christians around the world?”

According to Yussuf, it’s because he prefers Islamist dictatorships to secular ones. He was quick to call on Mubarak to resign. Morsi’s dictatorship is just as corrupt: but, says Yussuf, “that is cultural; the increase — not decrease — in corruption under the Islamic dictator who replaced Mubarak has proven that.” He points out that Rashid Khalidii, a Hamas supporter and former PLO advisor, is an old Chicago friend of Obama’s, and that the president also studied under and maintained a relationship with Edward Said, who served as a member of the Palestine National Council and worked with Yasser Arafat.

Morsi and Obama, says Yussuf (who really doesn’t like Obama), “both love to hear themselves talk. Not just any talk, but speeches that support ideas that are the opposite of what they actually do. When they give a speech, knowledgeable people in both countries look at each other and ask, “What did he just say?” For both of them, speeches are all about the art of composition – words, mere words. They speak out of both sides of their mouths.”

All of that is interesting, and some of it may even be valid. But one thing is absolutely certain. “The Christians being killed in Egypt, Syria, Pakistan, and Nigeria”, as Yussuf says, “don’t have an advocate in the White House, but they do have one in Heaven. That is the only place they need to look for help.” More to the point, it’s the only place they can look. Certainly Obama will not help them. And he’ll carry on subsidising the Islamist dictator Morsi to the tune of a billion a year. What are we to make of that?

  • teigitur

    I think you have answered your own question Dr Oddie. The same applies, of course ,to our illustrious politicians, and the media. You will barely hear a peep. If the shoe were on the other foot it would be being shouted from the hilltops.

  • Kevin

    Yes. It is reasonable to infer the attitude of British politicians to Christians at home from their response to the persecution of Christians overseas.

  • Fuchsia

    What is going on in Egypt is merely a taster of what is coming to every town and city in the west. Christians need to stop fighting amongst themselves and arguing the toss about issues, surely what is critical now is an affirmation of belief in Christ and wholehearted support for all who would give a cup of water for the sake of believing in the Gospel 

  • Yorkshire Catholic

    The emphasis on Obama seems a bit excessive to me. He is not king o’f the world, able to change situations with a flick of a magic want. He is, like all politicians, trapped at an intersection of conflicting interests and obliged to put his own national and political interests first. George W. Bush, David Cameron, William Hague etc don’t seem much better to me.

    As for the Americans and Christianity in the Middle East — well basically they are responsible for the extermination of Christianity in Iraq which was fairly thriving before 2003. American soldiers during the occupation were not allowed to go into local churches. (Because they were also not allowed to go into mosques.) At present by the way, allowing for political tactics and inconsistencies,

    Muslim Brothers and the Salafists are competing rivals rather than allies, though that is not a good thing. It was competition between politicians to be more Islamic than theirl rivals which drove up the stakes in Pakistan and made Islamism ever more dominant.

    The persecution of the Copts is not new and among those who have kept silent about it are both our British diplomats and Catholic clergy working in Egypt. One Jesuit priest I know who has worked there says that if a Muslim Egyptian comes to him, asking to become a Christian, all he can do is to advise him to leave the country. How very like the Apostles and Martyrs of the early Church!

    I would add the press to that but over the last decade the British press has persistently run stories on the plight of the Copts. This is probably more because of the international contacts and communications skills of the Copts themselves than the investigative drive of the Copts (it may also be the work of Protestant missionaries who in my experience tend to be quicker to bang the dustbin lids than Catholic priests are — though their accounts are often slanted or exaggerated.) Either way, the press has ensure that we all know something about this.

    We are faced with a Middle East which aided and abetted by many Western scholars, politicians, and diplomats (a good proportion of them Anglo-Saxons) is embarking on a period of deepening Islamic politics. In Turkey, Britain has actively helped dismember the semi-secular arrangements which existed there until 2002 and the EU encouraged Turks to vote for a referendum to open the way to a more Islamic constitution in September 2010. The regional outcome of this, sooner or later, will be attempts to form a caliphate and fight the West.

    The tragic fate of the Iraqi, and now probably the Syrian and Egyptian, Christians, looks almost inevitable against this backdrop. Across a lot of southern Europe attempts to get Muslims and Christians to live together in peace in the modern world have consistently failed — the fault sometimes being that of eastern Christians in the Balkans. The next big experiment in co-existence is taking place now in Britain. More important than anything that Obama can now do [raging at him is surely a feeble gesture of the American far right], we British Catholics should do everything  we can to welcome Muslims into British society and to resist attempts at self-ghetto-isation, in particular the concession of formal public status to Islamic custom and law. In another decade or two we are going to have about five Muslim-majority large cities. By then the surviving Copts will probably all be living in California.

  • OldMeena

    Dr Oddie paints a picture of a dreadful situation.

    But is this not a case of a lot of religious zealots, driven by their (self) righteousness attacking the believers of another religion?
    It has happened before.

     

  • JabbaPapa

     troll

  • Jeannine

    People seem to forget that Mr Obama’s father was a Muslim, his step-father was a Muslim, he spent a few yrs in Indonesia as a Muslim, & he associated with rich Muslim Pakinstanis during his tenure at Occidental College. There was alot of Islamic & terrorist influences in his life besides his friendship with Rashid Khalidii &  Edward Said to name just 2. To top it off Obama was an active member of a Christian congregation for over 20 yrs who was exposed to a perverse form of Christianity by listening to the weekly sermons of Rev Jeremiah Wright, a proponent of Black liberation theology.

    Given his past, does anyone really expect Mr Obama to side with persecuting Christians? For goodness sakes, he’s laying the groundwork for Christian persecution in the United States.

  • W Oddie

    Yeah, troll

  • Parasum

    TY for a very informative post. 

    “…we British Catholics should do everything  we can to welcome Muslims
    into British society…” 

    ## In view of several passages in the NT, that would seem to be a very good idea. 

    “and to resist attempts at self-ghetto-isation, in
    particular the concession of formal public status to Islamic custom and
    law.”

    ## Disagree here. If Catholics can have Rome’s canon law – which for over 400 years has not been the law of either of the kingdoms of which the UK is composed – why can Muslims not be allowed Sharia law ? Catholicism & Islam are both religions, they both have a political aspect, & they are both religions which are not finally answerable to any UK authority. On what principle is Rome’ canon law allowable, but its Muslim counterpart not to be ?

    If Catholics are not “ghetto-ised” by having legal access to Rome in marriage cases and other disputes (since Rome claims & exercises universal authority over every single Catholic on earth, from the womb to the grave); why can Muslims not have Sharia law ? Granted, the Pope does not now in fact exercise his jurisdiction in order to settle international disputes, but Leo XIII did in 1898, like many Popes before him – so there is no reason in principle (from Rome’s POV) to prevent a Pope doing this again, even if the UK were to object. Yet this possibility has not prevented the UK allowing the (very extensive) exercise of Roman jurisdiction over its Catholic subjects – even in marriage cases in which one of the parties is a non-Catholic British subject. Despite the Thirty-Nine Articles, one of which declares that “the Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this realm of England”. If despite that the UK can allow “the Bishop of Rome” to exercise jurisdiction, as a law-giver or otherwise, to deny Sharia to Muslims entirely seems inequitable. The objections to Catholicism in England were pretty much those now made against Islam in England – ghettoisation is a matter of degree: if Catholics could be be catered for in a Protestant country, then it is not clear on what principle Muslims cannot not be catered for  in a (sort of) Christian country. Catholicism is as alien to Anglicanism & to Protestantism in general as Islam (as Newman suggests).

    If we want “to resist… the concession of formal public status to Islamic custom and
    law”, ISTM that boat has sailed. If Rome & its laws can be allowed in Protestant England, I can’t see any principle on which the same allowances can be denied to other religions. The only arguments against, seem to be based on practicality. Allow one derogation from UK law for the benefit of a foreign religion – & on what principles are further derogations on comparable grounds to be denied ? If the supposed analogy  between Rome & Islam is an illusion, it would be good to know.

    It would be interesting to know how Sikhs & Hindus (say) resolve their disputes. Do they have anything comparable to canon law ?

  • Stephen

    This should come as no surprise. The Obama administration (adored by so many Europeans) has demonstrated with great pride what it stands for time and time again…a few examples:  Pres. Obama has led the way in putting enormous international pressure on African (and other) nations to repeal laws against deviant sexual behavior (i.e. homosexuality etc.) and personally ensured the Malawi President pardoned a sodomite couple sentenced to prison for unnatural acts and gross indecency.  Secretary Clinton bragged about how she used the State Department to pave the way for Lady GaGa, an Italian-American singer, to perform in a so-called “gay pride rally” in Rome.  Yet, Pres. Obama & Sec. Clinton did nothing to support or protect Nigerian Christians being martyred by the hundreds these last few years by a faction of bloodthirsty Muslims–European leaders didn’t lift a finger to help them either!
    “What are we to make of that?”Well, the aforementioned is just the tip of the iceberg.  Several European, North American, South American, African, and Asian leaders have been working very aggressively in a coordinated manner to expand population reduction measures (i.e. abortion, contraception, euthanasia etc.), institutionalize sodomite/lesbian marriage, slander Christianity & marginalize Christians, transfer public wealth to private coffers & foist debt slavery on the citizenry, cast Islam in a favorable light & prop up fanatical Islamic regimes, increasingly transfer manufacturing/manual labor/variety of functions to nations without minimum wage or labor protection laws, remove God from the public square, remove God’s laws/teachings from the education system, and indoctrinate/encourage everyone to put their hope and faith in government and political leaders etc. etc. etc. 

    The real question is what are we to make of the fact that most “Catholics” have not only failed to take a stand against this ungodly effort to destroy the pillars of the RC Church and western civilization, they openly support one or more of these nefarious activities?

  • Polly

    I knew about Obama and his twisted policies before he was elected in 2008. People were warned yet they did not vote accordingly. Now, the US is paying the price.

  • CullenD

    I noticed it’s rarely mentioned, but Islamists have an amazing talent as portraying themselves as victims. They carry out a horrific attack (in the West) and shortly after the talk is of “Islamaphobia” and the safety of innocent muslims. Then the reason for any attack is blamed on “social issues”. Despite the fact that the attackers are usually middle class and educated.

    Of course when there are muslim on muslim attacks, in places like Pakistan, we just shake our heads as if to say, “Well what else can we expect”. (the same applies to riots over cartoons etc)

  • J G

    Very few liberals care about Christians being killed. In fact they seem to be rooting for the killers.

  • Parasum

     
    The persecution of Christians in Morsi’s Egypt is now serious.

    ## So where was the CH when Copts were being persecuted previously (as they have been for a very long time) ? (One assumes that “persecution” is being used to mean “allowed to scrape by, but treated in the way Untouchables have been”). The word “persecution” has been so over-used, to apply to nothing more dreadful than not getting one’s own way, that the word is devalued, and almost meaningless. It no longer conveys anything. It is hardy more than a noise. Which is grievously unfair to  those who are persecuted.

    What happened in Nazi Germany was persecution. What happened in Communist Romania was persecution. What is happening in the US is not persecution. Not being allowed to wear a cross at work is not persecution. So is there persecution, or merely the absence of one’s own way, in Egypt ? STM David Cameron & Barack Obama are persecuted. will the CH defend *them* ?

    “Certainly Obama will not help them.”

    ## That prediction of the future is based on…? And what will the CH do if he fails to fail to help them – will it take back its words ?

    “And he’ll carry on subsidising the
    Islamist dictator Morsi to the tune of a billion a year. What are we to
    make of that?”

    That’s politics for you. What’s the alternative ? If the CH had his good at heart, it would either:
    a) keep silent, since it is seems very unlikely to influence him;

    or:

    b) notice the problem, as it has, and make constructive suggestions for solving or lessening it.

    What it would not do, is brandish the failings of others as evidence of what horrid people they are. This gloomy satisfaction at the badness of Obama is morbid. This frame of mind is unpleasantly similar to hoping that he will do something repugnant to the morals of the CH so that the CH can, yet again, blame him for his failings. Does the CH want to have that kind of attitude ?  If Obama is so perfectly & unremittingly & predictably hateful, why not tell it to a tape recorder, or take up darts, or something like that ? Why not do something really revolutionary, and give Obama some credit for at least trying to do something about the proliferation of guns ?

  • maxmarley

    Meena not just religious zealots, but ideological zealots as well can be driven by their self righteousness.
    Be mindful of the citizens of the Reign of Terror who destroyed their opponents in the name of fraternity, equality and liberty in 1790s? And of course all the 20th century secular tyrants whose bloodletting beggars belief, all driven by self righteousness.
    And the secular ideologues could strike again in the name of equality and liberty.
    Original sin affects us all.

  • Mohoem

    Mohamed Morsi violated all of his promises with all the Egyptian people, not just with the Copts only, so please stop outbidding on this one. And living a short period of your life as a child in a Muslim society will not teach you how to build a bomb or make a suicide attack. This way of judging is so narrow-minded one.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    Ditto in Iraq. The Allies got rid of one dictator only to install another (Maliki). Iraq is going down the tubes, fast. And watch what happens when the US withdraws from Afghanistan – Taliban back in power within six months?

    The US is a poor imperialist: it doesn’t understand, as we in Britain did, that you have to stay in a place, not cut and run. 

    As for Egypt, the Copts (the original Egyptians) have always been persecuted. With the Moslem Brotherhood is power, this will only accelerate. 

  • Yorkshire Catholic

     Parasum, I think you have a steep learning curve ahead of you. Shari’a is not the equivalent of Catholic Canon Law in the UK
    – A Because Catholic Canon Law is not legally recognized in the UK, it is the same as the internal rules of a club. Anglican Canon Law has also been whittled away from what it was at the beginning of the 19th century. Sharia is a vast interconnected system which governs all aspects of life and claims to be the actual will of God.
    –Islamic law is eternal, its interpretation is settled and fixed, and it cannot be altered or reformed. “The gate of interpretation is closed.”
    (This system by the way is quite millennarian. Like the Early Christians, many radical Muslims believe that they are preparing for a vast conflict followed by the end of the world. Ask Mr Ahmadinejad.]
    –Many of its aspects are unacceptable to modern eyes, e.g. the separation of men and women, but some stricter devout Muslims will always want its application to be enlarged. Most modern Middle Eastern and other states are viewed only as temporary compromises along the way to total Sheri’a rule.
    – State and Religion are not just linked in Islam, they are the same thing. If you have Shari’a in Britain, those observing it will see themselves as being inside an alien and illegitimate entity which it is their duty to ignore or even overthrow.
    –The central social/political message to believers is that they are a worldwide band of brothers who doing what God wants but they are downtrodden and oppressed even though they are superior, so they should correct this situation. Hence the recurrent cries of ‘Islamophobia’ which are just a rehash of traditional cries about oppression, recast in the language of the modern left–frequently their closest allies.

    In the light of all this, opening our arms to individual Muslims, receiving them into our world as friends and fellow citizens and sharing our civic and cultural world view with them is both a moral duty (I oppose any discrimination) and enlightened self interest.

  • JabbaPapa

    No Islamophobia in general in contained in the article.

  • JabbaPapa

    So is there persecution, or merely the absence of one’s own way, in Egypt ?

    Good grief …

    I’m unwilling to jump through the bizarre intellectual hoops that seem to be a pre-requirement of even *comprehending* what does and what doesn’t constitute persecution in your mind — nothing short of genocide it would seem on the one hand, and yet at the same time you apply your concept to Cameron and Obama, two of the most socially privileged and powerful individuals on the planet ???

    FYI (webster’s online)
    Definition of PERSECUTE
    1 : to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief
    In other words, the organised anti-Christianity of the Islamist extremists in Egypt is a persecution, as is the organised anti-Christianity of a depressingly large number of radical atheists in Western society.

    If Obama is so perfectly & unremittingly & predictably hateful

    I cannot recall seeing any such suggestions in the article. Your fantasies about what other people think are getting more and more unrealistic as time goes by …

  • JabbaPapa

    Meeny is trolling, as usual.

  • Sweetjae

    Yah right, as if England was not a brutal imperialist before. Even the Scotts don’t like you. Britain is a relic of the past and still hanging to that idiocity of monarchy, for what? Support of the lost prestige?

  • Sweetjae

    “So is there Persecution [in Egypt]?”

    You have no idea of how brutal and violent the fanatical Islamists are to those who just happened to disagree with them much less a Christian.

    Look at Darfur (Sudan), Indonesia, Nigeria, Egypt, Pakistan etc, they burn Christian churches and kill people without provocation, do you consider that persecution to your standards?

  • http://twitter.com/LaCatholicState la catholic state

    Sorry….but I would rather see a ban on Islamic immigration and positive attempts to re-Christianise Europe by all Christians….and by the Vatican.  Islam is not here to integrate…..but to Islamise.

  • Yorkshire Catholic

    Keep polishing your English Sweetjae. The Scots (note spelling) were full partners in the British Empire and though I acknowledge that there certainly were stupidities and brutalities, I am not sure that this empire scored particularly high on the scale of cruelty and inhumanity in either historical or modern times. Most of its administrators (there were quite a lot around until recently) in my experience were liberal lefties for whom prestige was not a consideration but for whom the welfare and happiness of Africans and Asians most certainly was. May be it was only the nice softie ones that lived to an old age.
        You need to get away from the heavily thumbed volumes of Marx and Fanon in your seminary library and mix with your British neighbours a bit more. You will find them more well-meaning and tolerant than Egyptian jihadist extremists, and you can help us fight the rising tide of anti-Christianity and destruction of the humanist culture which comes from Christianity. Good luck with your studies!

  • Yorkshire Catholic

     I am not in disagreement with you, though I do not see how religious discrimination could be enshrined in law, not least since there are educated Muslims  pretty much in agreement with everything I have written here. Are you going to penalize them too? You will be removing one of the planks which might stabilize the situation.
    .    But the problem is inside not outside. Integration is the only answer.

  • Yorkshire Catholic

     I don’t like Edward Sait but he was neither a terrorist nor a Muslim. Rashid  Khalidi is not normally regarded as an extremist, except by hardline Zionists. He is a left-of-centre Palestinian nationalist. I suggest the editor might consider whether your post is defamatory to him.

  • http://twitter.com/LaCatholicState la catholic state

    Of course secular law will forbid such a thing….but for our own sakes…..we must try to have it banned.  For the future security of ourselves and our children.  Integration is not going to happen.  For one thing…once the demographics are in their favour…it is we who will be integrating to the Muslim way of life.

  • Jeannine

    Edward Said was regarded as a terrorist sympathizing academic who gave Islamic terrorists the intellectual clout to further their violence.

  • JabbaPapa

    An anti-English rant ?

    Wow, I’m sure *that* will go down well with the readership …

  • Jeannine

    Rashid Khalidi was a spokesman for the PLO & was probably an operative. He is now a professor at Columbia University enhancing the intellectual clout to further Islamic violence.

    Before you accuse someone of defamation, read beyond the two-bit leftist blogs. 

  • OldMeena

    If, in your view, it is right for Christianity to Christianise, why is it wrong for Islam to Islamise [sic]?

    “… a ban on Islamic immigration…”You clearly wish for negative religious discrimination.But, naturally, not where Catholics are concerned.Do you ever think beyond the end of your finger?

  • Yorkshire Catholic

     Hmm polite and moderate in your language aren’t you? 
    And precise in your use of words too? You seem to have shifted ground.
         I have read (and strongly argued against)  Edward Said’s books, but he was not a terrorist and no sensible person has ever argued that he was. I don’t like the atmosphere at Columbia either but only a Tea Party dimwit could regard it as terrorism (yes, I know some Zionists and rightwing Jews do.) 
        Oh and I regard some of what Israel does as seriously wrong too—though I am not anti-Israeli. However some day we’ll see what the international have to say.

  • OldMeena

    I have made it a rule not to reply to the plethora of vile abuse you direct at me in your “replies” – but this does not preclude a brief response to stupid replies given to others.

    “No Islamophobia in general…”
    Or, to put your one-liner more straightforwardly: “Islamophobia is contained in the article.”

  • OldMeena

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  • http://twitter.com/LaCatholicState la catholic state

    I never said it was wrong.  It is understandable.  But Islam is a false religion.  That is the tragedy of Islam.  I don’t wish for any discrimination against anybody.  But I do advocate positive discrimination for the One true Faith….Catholicism.  That’s why I support a Catholic State.  Duh.

  • Stephen

    I am a faithful Catholic and I don’t submit nonfactual statements or comments that contradict the teachings of the Church why is it that you’re deleting my comments?  

    This “Catholic” Herald site doesn’t delete diabolical & hostile comments posted by militant atheists, heretics, marxists, advocates of deviant sexual practices, and apostates.  Yet, you delete the comments of a faithful Catholic.  Why is that???? 

    Please publish the UK laws and rules of political correctness I must follow so I can defend the Faith and dialogue with my fellow Catholics on this site without my comments being deleted/my voice being silenced.  

    Thank you and God Bless!

  • OldMeena

    I posted a comment implicitly in support of your view and critical of JP, but it was deleted without trace. Not even with a “comment removed”.

    Goodness only knows what else is removed.

  • OldMeena

    “But Islam is a false religion. ”

    The peddlers of all religions take this view about other religions.

    That is not just the “the tragedy of Islam”, but the tragedy of all organised religion.

  • Yorkshire Catholic

     You are proposing a dash to set up a Christian theocracy which will ‘deal’ with Muslims.
    Hmm, a cunning plan indeed.
    But, leaving aside ethical issues [believe it or not there are ethics outside Christianity], rather considerable legal and practical difficulties, do you think the Founder of Christianity wishes you to go about things in this way?

    Worst of all is this comment:-
    “We  must try to have it banned.”
    I thought of making a grim joke here about whether your preferred method would be the stake, guillotine, or gas chamber, but it would be in poor taste. So I won’t

    Probably you just threw this comment out without much thought. But I think it is a serious source of scandal.
       

  • teigitur

    Goodness. Damo has 8 “likes” on the CH.  Is this a miracle??

  • teigitur

    Please do not feed the resident troll.

  • teigitur

    Sadly the “Catholic” Herald, does not quite live up to the name.

  • JabbaPapa

    It would be lovely if more of your trolling were to go the same way, following the dodo.

  • Gildaswiseman

    Is Sweetjae a seminarian? 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5GFNFELZB3FWLXJ7P55OSA3UN4 Sylvester

    Dear Readers,
    Come out in the open to raise your concern about the barbaric killings of devout christians in islamic countries such as in Syria,Pakistan and Egypt.What is our Big Brother doing?Why Obama keeping quiet?Why he is aiding and abetting islamist racist dictators who go headless in killing our brothers and sisters in Christ?Whose billions of dollars in money Obama gives to those barbaric killers…to keep his presidency?What kind of a double standard,is it?Will Obama listen?!

  • http://twitter.com/LaCatholicState la catholic state

    I don’t propose any such thing today or tomorrow….but for the future yes i do propose a Catholic State.  We have been too naieve, even faithless in trusting those who don’t put Christ first ie secularists etc.  We are told throughout the Bible to seek God first.and then all things will fall into place.

    Muslims have plenty lands of their own….where others are discriminated against.  Do you want that to happen here too?!  Because it will.

  • Nesbyth

    No he won’t. He’ll think he’s rocking the political boat and has no interest in Christians….only
    in keeping up with whoever’s in power.

  • Sweetjae

    No it’s the truth, what is the part of the statement you don’t understand as FACT!

  • Sweetjae

    I agree with you and do appreciate the British nation of today but what I was talking about the English Empire from the last thousand years of oppression, injustice and imperialist brutality inflicted to her colonies. My reply is only to that one point Mr. Carter made above, nothing else.

    Furthermore, I apologize for my English grammar, it’s just my third/fourth language option.