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Why do we want to arm the allies of those who reportedly beheaded Fr Murad?

Have we learned nothing from Afghanistan and Iraq?

By on Monday, 1 July 2013

Fr Murad, who was murdered by rebels in Syria

Fr Murad, who was murdered by rebels in Syria

The recent death of Fr François Murad in northern Syria at the hands of Jihadist militants has been reported only sporadically in the western media. Damian Thompson at the Telegraph has this post, which provides several links to the various reports and to the graphic and upsetting video that reportedly shows the murder of the priest and two other so far nameless victims. 

There are, of course, many other people who have been murdered in horrible circumstances in Syria, and I am sure there have been atrocities on both sides, but this latest atrocity ought to make clear to us that so called rebels in Syria are not the sort of people that any sensible or moral person should have anything to do with whatever.

It is important to realise that the government of Bashar al-Assad is impeccably secular and has a proven track record of allowing freedom of worship. While no democrat, Assad and his government have been pluralist, in a manner of speaking. It is also true that Assad has been full of anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish rhetoric, not least on the occasion of the visit to Syria of the late Blessed John Paul II. But the opponents of Assad, and those who carried out this recent murder would, if this is possible to imagine, be even more anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli. And with them it will, should they come to power, not just be rhetoric either.

In their determination to bring down the government of Syria, the western powers wish to arm the so-called rebels. In other words they wish to put guns into the hands of those who committed these horrific murders. Have we learned nothing from Afghanistan and Iraq?

  • bluesuede

    Another trueism.

  • bluesuede

    Bingo.

  • bluesuede

    Government leaders don’t give a fig for martyred Christians in the path of extremists doing their thing. This stinks of Marxism.

  • bluesuede

    Yes. Even the Egyptian Copts say that they had a little more freedom under Mubarak and they lived in relative peace with their Muslim neighbors at that time. None of these guys was perfect, but there wasn’t the constant bloodshed of innocent lives targeting Catholics either.

  • bluesuede

    Poppies and pipelines, natural gas and oil, don’t get it in their way, or else.

    “There is only one thing in this world, and that is to keep acquiring money and more money, power and more power. All the rest is meaningless.”

    Napoleon Bonaparte

  • $27740841

    Megalomaniacs who murder millions seem to be a feature of atheist, Marxist states. Like Pol Pot, whose Khymer Rouge murdered 2 million Cambodians between 1975-79. And Mao Tse Tung who instigated the 1958 Great Leap Forward in Communist China, involving the collectivisation of agriculture and resulting in the starvation and death of millions. Not to mention the 1966 Cultural Revolution which killed 1.5 million.

  • $27740841

    Full house.

  • LalaLoopy

    I noticed that, too! And it makes my blood go beyond boiling point.
    When it is another cleric involved with sexual abuse, the columns in the newspapers are considerably smaller than when a Catholic priest is involved.
    Strange. The first time I ever encountered a case of ‘clerical abuse’ was from a Methodist minister almost 20 years ago.
    Hmmmmmm….

  • Zelda Terrahawk

    I agree.
    If it was a white British or American person, it would get plenty of coverage.

  • Zelda Terrahawk

    Guess what, bluesuede! I read in a TV listings mag that Channel 4 are broadcasting regular Muslim calls to prayer for the entirety of Ramadan ‘because Muslims have been given less understanding and bad press’ because of stuff like 9/11, Woolwich etc.
    You bet your boots they won’t broadcast the recitation of the Holy Rosary during October or have a camera following a week in the life of a parish priest running round ragged for his parishioners or live coverage of Holy Mass on Sunday morning.
    They’d be horrified. I mean, we are vilified in the media and bullied and mocked by easily-wound-up atheists who troll these forums, disguising their posts as ”discussion” (see the feature about Lord Sacks, the outgoing Chief Rabbi of Great Britain and the Commonwealth).
    We must be doing something right to make the world uncomfortable.

  • zorrozmask

    Frightening parallels. Unfortunately true.
    People WAKE UP!

  • St Bosco

    Aye Ben Hows it hangin? Glad youre still up and at em. I actually miss you.

  • bluesuede

    With mainstream media, you must “fit in” with the prevailing culture change, or you are ignored.

  • bluesuede

    Inconvenient truth.

  • bluesuede

    These facts are not duly appreciated by the ruling elite or their progressive bobblehead believers.

  • zorrozmask

    There is criticising … and there is out and out bullying, invalidation, blinding ignorance of the facts (e.g. passing off as facts black legends written by anti-Catholics down the centuries) and tasteless insults which, if directed at any other faith, would not be tolerated and would be regarded as ‘hate’.
    Still, Roman Catholics have taken these things on the chin (or without a chin, due to beheading, guillotining etc. etc.) for centuries.
    We are not going away.

  • Zelda Terrahawk

    Right on. The truth is uncomfortable.

    Yet the same people chose stuff such as the Inquisition, Galileo etc. etc. as clubs to beat Roman Catholics with – unaware that those who have twisted facts into black legends many centuries ago have done a good job convincing subsequent historians etc. that they are the facts without digging deeper to find the truth.

    Maybe they don’t want to because it would blow a lot of stuff out of the water for their cause.

    A descendant of Charles Darwin remarked, on her return to the practise of her Catholic faith, that one reaction she got was (paraphrased here): ‘I thought you were an intelligent person’.

    As if implying that returning to one’s faith is the action of a ‘weak and feeble mind’.
    LOL!

  • Heather rogers

    What has happened to the two Syrian bishops?
    Anyone know?

  • http://jabbapapa.wordpress.com/ Julian Lord

    erm, Stalinist Russia killed 300 million on its own, so the true figure of the mass murders and genocide provided by atheist régimes is likely to be 500 million or more …

  • http://jabbapapa.wordpress.com/ Julian Lord

    Still in captivity, whereabouts still unknown.

    They’re probably not dead, that sort of news would tend to filter out into the public …

  • Benedict Carter

    The best study is the ‘Black Book of Cummunism’ by a team of French historians.

    Lenin through to 1991 – around 50 million.
    Mao – around 120 million
    Communism worldwide – around 400 million

  • bluesuede

    All of the above.

  • bluesuede

    “We must be doing something right to make the world uncomfortable.”
    Just doing our Catholic job right. ;-)

    The blood of the martyrs is the seed of new faith. RIP Fr. Murad.

  • bluesuede

    Maybe that’s one reason why the mainstream media won’t touch stories like the martyrdom and courage of Fr. Murad in detail. They have the same fear and hatred that Satan has against good priests.

    Since they’ve worked very hard to convince the public to believe that priest=bad,= weak and= immoral. They know very well, that there is great power and dignity in Priests who can be men of moral courage, intelligence and have spiritual strength. God gives them the power to touch hearts and we would follow them easily when they are more Christ-like.

  • Acleron

    We could swap horror stories about atheists and religious figures all day long. Nevertheless, in the recent past and the present there conflicts range from the far East to the UK and with few exceptions they are sectarian.

  • Guest

    I am willing to bet that we will soon start hearing all sorts of denials about the murder of this Catholic priest in the secular media. And in any case, one waits in quiet trepidation for David Cameron to tell us that he will look for a “possible motive” as he is assured us he will in the case of the Woolwich murder.

  • $27740841

    Or, the ruling elite is fully aware of these facts and they just don’t care.

  • $27740841

    Exactly. But when did ‘progressives’, so called, ever let the truth get in their way?

  • Acleron

    Do a search on Google news for this murder, there is plenty of coverage.

  • Emma Green

    We must pray for his soul and ask him to pray for us. And we should pray for the souls of those who killed him.

  • Isabel

    Why would we expect something else from our politicians? Haven’t they proved over many years now that they are deeply anti Christian, lifting up and embracing islam?
    Worse and scandalous: where is the catholic support for the suffering Christians in the Middle East and elsewhere?
    Does Christian charity need to distance itself from showing sympathy with their own, while bending over backwards to support muslims?

  • Zelda Terrahawk

    Absolutely right, bluesuede!

  • Zelda Terrahawk

    They’ll care – when it is too late.

  • jdumon

    I just saw the video of the beheading. That is truly horrible.
    This is anything about sadism and cruelty but religion.
    They’ve cut his throat with a knife and then proceeded to cut his neck while the blood is flowing. A lot of these crazy islamists are filming with their cell phones
    Can’t they kill this man in a clean way, with a gun’s round or by hanging him? No, they NEED it gore, with much blood. These people are worse than devils.

  • jdumon

    No, there are pics and videos available on the net. They cannot make denials

  • jdumon

    That is truly my own opinion.

  • James M

    And Catholics have also, at times, dished it out, “for centuries”. Nothing the OP has said is bullying. As for the faults mentioned, they are human failings – not failings peculiar to atheists; nor do all atheists deal in such things, any more than all Catholics or all Christians or all people with a religion do.

    A lot of stuff in the “Black Legend” is of Catholic origin anyway – a surprising amount of the ammunition used against Catholicism, can be traced back to Catholic sources: the assertion that the Papacy is Babylon the Great is earlier than the Reformation; it was not made up by it.

    “We are not going away.”

    Neither is atheism.

  • James M

    Would it have done so, if Russia had not had centuries of autocracy already, under its Christian rulers ? It’s too simple to pick on what modern atheistic states and ideologies have done, without considering the possibility that they might have been less oppressive if they had not been oppressive while they were still Christian (or largely influenced by it), and even because they were Christian. (China is a major exception, not having been Christian to any great extent.)

    This may not be very flattering, and it may not help us to think of ourselves as inoffensive persecuted martyrs, but it does have the virtue of helping us to be honest rather than partisan or self-serving. If there were evil things in Russian Christianity – or any other – that helped to pave the way for the brutalities of Communism, isn’t it better to be aware of them, rather than to refuse to consider the possibility, and be taken unawares when somebody articulate & well-informed about them who has no liking for Christianity mentions them ? If truth is important (& Catholics go on a lot about truth), doesn’t that make it important to face even unwelcome facts, without bias, if possible ?

  • bluesuede

    “…. the plan is to engineer events, real and staged, that will create
    enormous fear in the countdown years to 2012. This includes a plan to
    start a third world war, either by stimulating the Muslim world into a
    ‘Holy War’ against the West, or by using the Chinese to cause global
    conflict. Maybe both.”
    — David Icke (The Biggest Secret, 1998)

  • Guest

    Well, I hope you are right. Interestingly though, the first article in my news feed today about Fr Murad was from the International Business Times and entitled: ‘Father Francois Murad Beheading Video an Assad Propaganda Hoax’. The content of the article does not deny that Fr. Murad was killed, but denies that the video shows his execution. The article can be found online but I would rather not link to it here as it contains graphic images.

  • jdumon

    Then, if the video I saw is a hoax, it was like a true gore movie, with much blood (tomatoketchup?), madmen yelling allaouhakbar, etc…

    Anyways that kind of execution is very common with the islamic fundamentalists. Remember, many women stoned and a man slaughtered and beheaded in a stadium by the talibans… These weren’t hoaxes.

  • Guest

    No argument from me! I thought the word ‘hoax’ in that byline was an appalling choice. Though now some other newspapers are reporting that Fr Murad was shot and that the video was of a separate incident.

  • Benedict Carter

    Hello Bosco! Nice to see you.