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European theologians call for end to priestly celibacy

By on Monday, 7 February 2011

Germany's bishops said they would discuss the proposals at a meeting in March (Photo: CNS)

Germany's bishops said they would discuss the proposals at a meeting in March (Photo: CNS)

More than 140 Catholic theologians from universities in Austria, Germany and Switzerland have called for the Church to end priestly celibacy, ordain women and allow lay people to help select bishops, among other changes.

The 143 professors said their appeal was made in response to the clergy sexual abuse scandals that surfaced in Europe last year and that they no longer could remain silent in the face of what they say is a lingering crisis within the Catholic Church.

The theologians, who also called for the Church to welcome same-sex couples and divorced and remarried couples, said their statement was issued to open a discussion about the future of the Church.

“We have the responsibility to contribute to a new start,” the statement said.

Judith Konemann, a professor from Munster and one of the signatories, told the German daily Suddeutsche Zeitung: “It looks like we struck a nerve.”

Most of the changes sought by the theologians have no chance of being adopted by the Catholic Church. The Church teaches that it has no right to ordain women to the priesthood, and that any sexual activity outside of marriage, understood to be between a woman and a man only, is sinful.

Regarding divorce and remarriage, in the Catholic Church civil divorce doesn’t exclude one from the sacraments. A person cannot receive the sacraments if he or she remarries outside the Church while still bound by a previous marriage.

The German bishops’ conference said it would discuss the proposals at a meeting in March. Pope Benedict XVI will visit his native Germany on September 22 to 25.

The theologians’ appeal comes two weeks after a group of prominent German politicians urged the bishops to ordain older married men because of the dwindling number of priests.

The German bishops have said two-thirds of all parishes will not have their own priest by 2020 and have embarked on an effort to merge parishes in response.

The statement said that enacting the reforms would attract people back to the Church.

“The Church needs married priests and women in Church ministry,” the theologians said. The Church should not “shut out people who live in love, loyalty and mutual support as same-sex couples or remarried divorced people”, they said.

The professors also questioned actions by Pope Benedict that have brought back older worship practices. “The liturgy must not be frozen in traditionalism,” they said.

  • wilbert

    I agree!

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely right, on all four counts Stewart. These ‘catholic’ theologians (and there is nothing in the definition of the noun, either, that means they particularly have to believe in anything other than their own opinions… ) are a talking shop full of every age-old heretical persuasion that the Church has already encountered and ruled on umpteen-times over during the last two-thousand years. The Rock of Ages shall stand firm. Believers of the True Faith should not forget the holy father in our prayers. God bless.

  • Edgar

    How can be the simple people know more than this theologians ? They need to read the Cathecism of the Catholic church. They need to understand also their role in the Church.

  • Walking Gelasian Sacramentary

    “Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men. Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:

    And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken. And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.

    And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

    And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.

    And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down.

    And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name: And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.”

    This is not a new problem.

  • Kennyinliverpool

    Yes – all educated Catholics who have studied theology leave the Church… if not in body then in spirit, what is that saying?

  • Patmul39

    These theologins are simply mad? Can they possibly be catholic theologians? Married priests, no problem but women priests – that’s a no no. And worse still – where, in the bible or the CCC, does it ever augur homosexual unions, relationships or activity? Scripture condems it and no theologian can change or re-interpret that!

  • Jim Cuddy USA

    Dear German Brothers and Sisters,

    Let me speak from USA. We have reason to rejoice in the German Church now.
    It shows the whole People of God that we must stand together for Jesus and his
    gospels. We are like the people of Eygpt now. Now is the time to resume Vatifcan II.
    Now is the time for peaceful revolution. JIM CUDDY.

  • SWLS

    SWLS. Confusing muddle of different ideas, probably poorly reported.

  • Mathius

    One last hurrah before they retire. Funny how all of them are leftovers from the “age of aquarius.” Out of touch with modernity so it is time they head off to the home and play some shuffleboard. Their wacky liberal ideas have failed. Nothing they have said is new, and the majority of them have been formally excommunicated and the others don’t even practice Christianity in the first place!

  • John francis Luke Siple

    Applarently the Charismatic & Renewal in Europe just was never requested from Our Lord’s Spirit.

  • Uncle Pat

    Theologians to me are like mathematicians. I used to believe that once we had agreed on the basic principles of arithmetic – addition, subtraction, multipication and division – everything to do with the measurement, properties and relations of quantities would be plain sailing. Alas no. I was introduced to Calculus and Applied Mathematics as well as Pure Mathematics. Two of the most rivetting concepts were those of zero and infinity. I’m glad and proud that there have been and are mathematicians of great intellect who were/are practising catholics. Likewise I’m glad and proud that there are theologians who are applying their great intellects to the study to The Infinite in all His mystery against the Nihilism that permeates so much of current thinking. I thank God for the 140 German speaking theologians.

  • Anonymous

    I think the example of the Anglican church should serve as a warning, the turmoil caused by the ordination of women priests and their promotion to bishops, homosexual clergy and same sex unions, are all caused by the weakness of following secular ways instead of Biblical teaching, which will eventually end up in the dissestablishment of the C of E, and it’s eventual demise. What I find most illuminating is the fact that both the agenda’s of women priests and the homosexual clergy is far more important to them than the very survival of the Anglican church. This is a warning that must be heeded and a trap that we must not fall into.

  • Father Gregory

    These are few misguided theologians who have lost their heads to materialism and mordernity they do not represent the whole catholic church , bacaue when you take away celibacy from the catholic church then we have nothing else left to identify us as catholic priests we become like any lay person , why can’t you disatisfied theologians join other churches were homosexuality their bishops and priests is permitted and lieve us alone.
    Fr. Gregory

  • The Pilgrim

    Fr. Gregory –
    “…when you take away celibacy from the catholic church then we have nothing else left to identify us as catholic priests …”

    I am Orthodox, my priest is married, and I assure you that there is much to identify him as a priest. Are you saying that all of the married Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and your own married Uniate priests are indistinguashable from the laity? If celibacy is the only thing that separates priests from layman in the Catholic Church, there is a real problem there.

  • Anonymous

    Why would these 143 seek to change the Church of Rome when they could easily join many Protestant churches that have already gone against Christian teachings?

  • James H

    What a load of utterly irrelevant codgers!

    As a layman, I virulently reject any implication that my marriage is in any way comparable to a gay love-in, no matter how ‘loving, loyal and supportive’ it may be. The love between me and my wife produced real people, dammit!

    ‘The liturgy must not be frozen in traditionalism’ – I suppose they’d rather it evaporated in banality and the current flavour of politics?

    At least the wackos are coming out of the woodwork, now.

  • RJ

    Well I studied theology and philosophy and a language. I hope that makes me educated and I haven’t left the Church.

    I’m familiar to some extent with theologians who challenge the traditional teaching. I don’t buy into their theology.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/01481621550903107972 Richard Baldwin Cook

    In the past the Church has occasionally revised its teachings and its doctrine, to say nothing of its actual practice. Does anyone think the Church in the US did not practice racial segregation? Does any one want to return to those ‘good old days’?

    Perhaps we will see some doctrinal shifts, as we have seen in the past, and the sooner the better.

    It is unloving to attack civil marriages between same-sex couples, as in a ‘disorder’. Didn’t God make all of us?

    It is unloving to seek to require the civil authorities to prosecute women and physicians for procuring abortions – especially when the Church, hypocritically, does not excommunicate Catholic women and doctors for procuring abortions.

    Unloving, too, is the practice of the hierarchy, generally, to forget the victims while protecting priest-child-rapists.

    The Catholic Church – my church – has failed to boot-strap itself out of the Middle Ages and into Today. That is probably the main source of the Church’s credibility problems these days. We can get past all of the official resistance to modernity, with more candor about past failings and more flexibility about doctrine, which best is not seen as fixed in final form.

  • http://www.pearshapedcomedy.com Anthony Miller

    If they can’t discuss issues that the Pope and Cardinals have already decided on which after 1970 years is almost everyhing, …what is the point of them being theologians? As time goes on surely there are more and more doctrines defined by the CDF and so less and less and less for professional theologians to do particularly since Vatican I set out infallibility …which must be very boring.

    I think need to think up new areas of theology for them to discuss that Aquinus & Co, the Doctors and the Pope dont already have an opinion on. This will keep them away from issues such as staff shortfall, women and gayness. There are a few. I’ve been researching this and I believe that as yet there is no official Papal CDF documentation on going to the toilet, farting, picking one’s nose or the energy sector. Why not? This has to be a fruitful area for theological discussion and something everyone can argue about without upsetting each other. There must be plently of obscure areas of life that theology doesn’t as yet touch on.

  • http://www.pearshapedcomedy.com Anthony Miller

    “popularity does not a Bishop make”

    There we have it, our marching orders! Let us start lobbying (writing letters, making phone calls, sending emails, mailing denunciation packages) to our Bishops today! Tell them the sacrilegious Communions by pro-abortion politicians scandalize you. We’re not just chasing pressure groups mindlessly.

  • Chez-samuel-din

    Stewart, the object of the criticism – highly justified – is the line promoted by some, not all, German theological professors, not the German bishops.

    Sam. D. Ch.

  • John

    Why is it that so many bad ideas come from Europe these days? These people may as well call themselves Episcopalians – in other words, they are unprincipled and don’t understand natural law.

    The Church need not worry about Islam or atheism. The true enemy is the enemy within, for they attend the same services, fly the same flag and speak in similar terms.

  • Ed

    I’m struggling to see cause and effect, here:
    If I am unmarried, I can become a Catholic Priest, but I cannot marry once I am ordained.
    However, if I am ALREADY married, and wish to become a Catholic Priest, because (for example) I am fed-up of being an Anglican Priest, then that is OK.

    This is fundamentally wrong. The Church either has married priest or not. Half-measures and fudged compromises like these serve only to undermine the very foundations of the institution.

    And for what it’s worth, I’m in the ‘not’ camp……

  • http://victor-undergo.blogspot.com/ Victor

    You must all forgive me cause I still have not read most of the comments yet but “IT” burns within me to tell you what I think God told me in prayer and sinner vic did not try to mix UP HIS Words too much. :)

    Anyway to make a long story short, if these Cardinals were once His Priest, then they can move UP but not down and in reality, words which are so simple to agree on with MY ANGEL OF TRUTH, normal people who truly Love me follow what The Lord wants and here forgive me Victor but I must leave sinner vic out of “IT” if you know what I mean?

    Victor I could go on and on talking to smiling “Diablo” who is always on fire and with a smile of satisfaction now, seems to be saying, mind your own business, but between you and me Victor, “IT” is My business and tell them for what “IT” is still worth:) that I’ll be with them even till the end of “Time” if they will have ME and that they still have free will to do as they please if you know what I mean?

    Just a second Victor, tell sinner vic that Saint Jerome still thinks he’s cool and that he forgives him for having accidently broken the head off a child who was being carried by a man dressed in brown. Don’t tell anyone but I’ve already forgiven “IT” but for those who might believe that the child’s head could represent all The Abortion’s that are taking place nowadays, well if that’s what Saint Jerome is thinking, He just told me to tell His German Cardinal Friends to quietly go back to praying that all lost souls simply line UP at Earth’s Milky Way or @ their Mother and The Apostles new Catholic Church that me, myself and “Eye” have started after The Death of My Lord and Savior “Jesus The Christ” and I’ll closed “IT” off by saying that he also has ask Me to forgive them this one also.

    Go Figure Victor but listen closely when I say that this message will eventually destruct in one of my moments of Time and I really didn’t write this if you know what I mean?

    Until next time, Mom’s the Word or is “IT” Mum nowadays?

    P.S. Victor, I’m going to ask all My Angels and Saints to pray for MY Children in “Reality” cause they are going to need “IT” :)

    God Bless Peace

  • Adrian

    Finally something is moving forward in this Church

  • Deesis

    Either these theologians already have secret “lovers” or they have not looked in the mirror and realised no one is attracted to them. The grass is always greener. A group of married Catholics have also signed a petition saying “celebacy should be a choice within marriage. We all those conjugal rights gets a bit boring and it means one is not as free as being single. Celebates can have anti social habits like smelly feets and bad breath also a comb over with wives not complaining!”

  • Donald

    Mr. Cook: at no point was racial segregation a formal doctrine. It might have been considered socially acceptable where it was practiced, but it was never officially condoned by the church. The changes you are looking for, however, never were, and mostly likely never will be accepted.

    The theologians who proposed these changes are the outgoing generation, and the incoming young priests and theologians are far more conservative. Why? Because young liberals have no incentive to join the church under rules that they don’t anticipate will be revoked (those who joined the hierarchy in the 1960s really believed in the dream of the 1960s, a dream that was never completely realized as any cultural historian will tell you).

  • http://rbc-in-md.blogspot.com/ Richard Baldwin Cook

    Donald, Thanks for your thoughtful response. I am not sure it is so easily to distinguish formal doctrine from de facto practice, as you appear to imply – especially (as an example) in the racially divided South before the transformations begun in the 60s. Before then, any departure from segregation was responded to as social and political, if not religious, treason and met, as it often was, with brutality and rigid, legal enforcement of a color bar. We all lived this for decades until, rather suddenly, we did not live it anymore.

    Nevertheless and despite the social pressures to conform to racial segregation, it was a form of hypocrisy for the hierarchy and also the parishes to accept this de facto denial of the Church’s own best and most inclusive doctrines.

    As hard as it was to imagine an integrated church at any point in time in the US South, prior to the ’60s, here we are.

    I image the Church will move away from its present, cruel rejection of same-sex marriage, since this narrowness is also a form of hypocrisy, from virtually any perspective, whether doctrinal, biological, historical or legal.

    A practical incentive for same-sex acceptance is that the Church stands to lose all of its hospitals, universities and social service agencies, if it persists in discriminating against same-sex couples in employment and in the offering of services to the public.

    There are no reasonable grounds for discrimination against homosexual persons, or bi-sexual persons or transgender persons. Of course, there are those who persist in finding doctrinal grounds for practicing discrimination. But doctrine is not argued in the civil courts, where matters of equal protection under the law are settled, over time.

    Same-sex discrimination is disappearing, so far as the views and the everyday practice of Catholic laity are considered. Just as Catholic women accept abortion (without penalty imposed by a hypocritical hierarchy), Catholic laymen and women, especially younger ones, dissent from the “official” view that homosexuality is a “disorder.” This is an opinion brought into the church by the current Pope, in his former role as a doctrinal enforcer. It is a view that owes more to hypocritical pretense than to clear-headed analysis of human biology and church doctrine and it is a view that will not long survive its primary proponent.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know why this item of news is repeated, it is good news but as I say, it is repeated, why can’t something just be actually done like whoever has the authority to force the Pope to resign or, do something positive as there is much suffering! 

  • Anonymous

    This is good news but,  just wish something would become of it instead of just talking, talking gets you nowhere.There seems to be all talk and no action. 

  • Anonymous

    Well then what about the enrollment of female Eucharistic Ministers, they have them in the church, I know the vows are nowhere near the same and the Pope is trying now to shut our Alter girls and what about women attending Mass and women for the Children liturgy is it in the end going to be nothing but men in the Catholic church, it might as well be a Momastery if that is the case, shut women out completely. The Pope is totaly out of his mind and we are supposed to follow…..follow what or who the almighty Pope or God, I know who I would rather follow and it is not the Pope, he’s nuts.

  • Anonymous

    It should not have been like that in the first place, St. Peter was married!
     
    Thank you

  • Anonymous

    It should not have been like that in the first place, St. Peter was married!
     
    Thank you

  • Anonymous

    If the Pope has to go with the majority then celibacy would have been abolishe long ago because, the majority of people are for abolishing celibacy, what do you think all the debate has been for and a huge complaint to the Pope with his lack of help over child sex abuse, have you been listning? The Pope wants to wake-up.

  • Anonymous

    It should not have been like that in the first place, St. Peter was married!
     
    Thank you

  • Anonymous

    Fr. Gregory, St. Peter the first Pope was married, the whole world and his “WIFE” want celibacy to be abolished including many priests-have you not read about the poor priest Fr. Alberto Cutie? He did wrong before getting married but, he fell in love with one of his parishioners and he is not alone with this, have you not read or heard about him…..HELLO!!!!!!!!!

  • Parasum

    “No, celibacy must never be discussed because it is much more than a discipline, it is the very heart of the sacred priesthood.” 

    ## Unlike the sacraments LOL  – or am I missing something  ?

    ” Our Lord was celibate, as was the “disciple whom Jesus loved.” The
    priest is “another Christ,” hence he must be like Christ. He wears black
    to symbolise his death to the world and to the flesh that he may be
    worthy of the grace of his vocation.”

    I seem to remember Jesus was crucified… and was a Jew. There aren’t many Catholics of Jewish origin in  the priesthood. Celibacy is not at all central to the priesthood – several bishops have had wives; which is why some women were called *episcopa*, “Mrs. Bishop” (not “Bishopess”). Several Popes were married men, at least before ordination – some of them were in due course succeeded by their sons. St. Hormisdas (d.523) was the father of St. Silverius (d.537); so the former must have been married at some point, to cause the latter; which means not being celibate. If one includes less well-behaved Popes, then one has men who are certainly not celibate – Alexander VI is an example. Clerical concubinage has a long history  – many clerics were priests, and were not celibate. So celibacy – by which I take it you do mean celibacy, & not continence or chastity – can hardly be the “very heart” of the sacred priesthood.
    FWIW, the *deacon* Philip in the NT (Acts 6.5) is said to have had four daughters, all prophetesses (see 21.8-9, if this is the same Philip).

  • Philomena Carolan

    It should not have been like that in the first place, St. Peter was married!
     
    Thank you

  • Philomena Carolan

    What on earth are you talking about Chrriss, the very first Pope St. Peter was married so why should Catholic priests continue to be celibate? Are they not human, St. Peter was but, it seems Pope Benedict is far from it.

  • Philomena Carolan

    It is not the Theologians who are the problem, it is the Pope, he seems to think that women have no place in the Catholic church and I don’t know why, are not female Eucharistic Ministers women, I know they have not been ordained but, they have enrolled to help Catholic Priests administer communion to the sick and housebound and not just that, this stupid Pope says that celibacy is a “Gift from God” a “Sign of Faith” well, with all due respect, how did the Pope get onto this planet has the idiot not thought of that, his parents were married so you know, does he not know the facts of life? We are ALL Gods creation…..HELLO! 

  • Philomena Carolan

    Yes! this ‘Pope’ gives authoriy that is why he is bringing in Anglican clergy into the Catholic church because of the shortage of priests who are married but the remaining Catholic priests have to continue being celibate, it makes no sense.

  • Philomena Carolan

    The vote does not go by the majority that is why the Catholic church is in the state it is, it is all the Popes doings because he is having none of it from anyione, what he says goes and if anyone thinks other wise it is tuff.

    Not even the person who has the authority to force this man to resign has no say in the matter…..this is the problem. 

  • Philomena Carolan

    That is so true but, so unfair.

  • Philomena Carolan

    Why can’t you have Communion in your hand? I have my Communion in my hand! My priest doesn’t tell me other wise!

  • Anonymous

    Dear Philomena,
    First of all may I say that you are named after a wonderful Saint whose shrine in Mugnano del Cardinale I have visited on two occasions. She is a great little virgin martyr, very highly favoured by Our Lady. You’ll probably know already that St. Philomena was a particular favourite of St. John Vianney (Curé of Ars), patron of parish priests. He was always telling people not to attribute to him the many miracles that occurred during his life, but rather to blame St. Philomena!

    Anyway, to answer your question, do not expect your parish priest to say anything about Communion in the hand because he has more than likely fallen for the episcopal party line, or knows it’s not right but is afraid to contradict his Bishop, or is an indifferent liberal, or worse, he doesn’t believe in the Real Presence. One or other of these reasons is why your parish priest says nothing.

    Now, why should you not receive Communion in the hand? Well, it was illicitly introduced into the Church in Belgium by Cardinal Suenens without papal knowledge and permission back in the 1960s. Pope Paul VI responded to this act of incredible arrogance by issuing Memoriale Domini, a document upholding the Church’s traditional method of giving Holy Communion (on the tongue whilst kneeling), and forbidding the further spread of Communion in the hand to countries where it was not a cultural practice, which was every country in the world at that time with the exception of rebellious Belgium.

    Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have also made it known that they do not approve of the practice, but have been largely ignored.

    To understand why the popes have been so against this practice we must first understand that in the last 1500 years of Christianity, only the Protestant Reformers have taken Communion in the hand. They did it because they no longer believed in the Real Presence of Our Lord. I believe this loss of the Catholic Faith lies at the heart of modern spread of this practice in the Church.

    Many of the Church’s Fathers, popes and Councils, after the early persecutions, condemned the practice of Communion in the hand. Indeed, two Councils of the Church imposed excommunication on any lay person who touched the Sacred Host with his/her hands. Vatican II did not alter this teaching, nor even hint that it should be altered. It was done entirely by the bishops without papal authority, and has been spread throughout the Church by them against papal wishes. It is now so widespread an abuse that the Pope seems powerless to prevent it. He merely tries to win Catholics back to the proper way of receiving through personal example at his Papal Masses.

    Now, think of this. If you were to meet Our Lord in person, would you kneel before Him and adore Him as your Lord and God, as the saints have done, or would you brazenly throw your arms around Him and give Him a kiss on the cheek, as Judas Iscariot did? He is truly the same Lord and God present in Holy Communion.

    Furthermore, if you read the Gospels you’ll find that the only ones who laid hands on Our Lord, apart from His Holy Mother and consecrated Priests, were those who inflicted the torture of the Passion and Crucifixion on Him. Profane hands should not touch Our Lord, hence the example given us when the newly Risen Lord prevented even the great St. Mary Magdalene, saying “touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to my Father.”

    If, as the Church infallibly teaches, every minute particle of the Sacred Host is the full body, blood, soul and divinity of Our Lord, can you imagine how many millions of particles have been trodden underfoot since this dreadful practice was introduced, tiny particles falling from people’s hands? And are you aware of how many sacrileges this practice has led to by making it easy for those with bad intentions to secret the Blessed Sacrament from the Church in their pockets? Do some research via Google and Youtube, it will horrify you.
    How can we not conclude that the intention behind the introduction of this practice was to cause Catholics to lose their belief in the Real Presence? It doesn’t make sense otherwise.

    I could say a lot more, but have gone on longer than I had planned. Suffice it to say that I will NEVER receive my Saviour any other way but on my knees and on my unworthy tongue. Like St. Peter, my genuine approach is to fall on my knees and say to Him “depart from me O Lord, for I am a sinful man.” I could never, ever consider myself worthy to handle that precious Host with my hands. Please reflect on this.

  • Anonymous

    St. Peter no longer lived with his wife in the married sense following his call to the priesthood. He thereafter practiced celibacy. You’ll note that St. Peter’s wife is never mentioned in the Gospels whenever he is referred to. The reason for that is clearly that they no longer lived the conjugal live together.

  • Anonymous

    St. Peter no longer lived the cojugal life with his wife once he became a disciple of Our Lord, hence the reason why there are no references to St. Peter and his wife in Acts. This is basic Catholic knowledge.

  • Dan

    Not all priests are living up to their vocation
    1. If a tiny fragment of the Holy Eucharist breaks in your hand and is rubbed off, well I wouldn’t want that responsibility
    2. If I saw Our Lord before me, I would drop at least to my knees and worship him, I would expect the most reverential same when receiving the Holy Eucharist
    3. The Pope has set the norm for receiving communion ‘knelt and on the tongue’
    4. It shows our reverence, care and love for Our Lord
    5. Our Lord who is infinitely higher than any worldly King or Queen should be shown homage
    6. The priest is consecrated and in the Person of Christ – he is really the best person to guide our lord to our hearts by our tongue, we really aren’t worthy
    - the list goes on…

  • Dan Clovis1

    Are you even Catholic?

  • Tyrone Beiron

    Theologians tend to be academic and sometimes lacking in Spiritual insight. The divine origin and nature of the Latin Priesthood is imprinted with Christ Jesus as the singular model, and not the historical lifestyles of the apostles and disciples. In Hebrews and elsewhere, it is Jesus himself – the whole life, ministry, sacrificial death and resurrection, and gift of Pentecost – that presents him as the model for Christian priesthood, and not the historic lifestyles of the early episkopos (bishops or overseers) and those of the presbyters (priests). As the Church emerged from the horror of official persecution, the late Patristic Fathers were then able to define and teach more clearly on the uniqueness of the ordinary of priesthood, and how celibacy is a free gift of the church and those “called” to more fully and faithfully reproduce the priesthood of Jesus in our life today, as witness of God’s grace (grace is what helps us conquer sinfulness). Hence the scandal of the times towards sexual misconduct all the more should call for grace, rather than (as “man thinks”) lead to a more human-inspired priesthood. This priesthood of Jesus Christ if not Levitical, Zadokite or of lineage alone, but like “Melchizedek” (Hebrews 7).