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Allied diplomats urged Pius XII to stay silent about Nazi deportations

By on Friday, 20 May 2011

Pius XII pictured at the Vatican in 1956 (CNS photo)

Pius XII pictured at the Vatican in 1956 (CNS photo)

US and British diplomats discussed exerting pressure on Pope Pius XII to be silent about the Nazi deportations of Hungarian Jews, according to newly discovered documentation.

The British feared that the wartime pope might make a “radio appeal on behalf of the Jews in Hungary” and that in the course of his broadcast would “also criticise what the Russians are doing in occupied territory”.

Sir Francis D’Arcy Osborne, the British ambassador to the Vatican, told an American diplomat that “something should be done to prevail upon the pope not to do this as it will have very serious political repercussions”.

Osborne’s comments were made to Franklin Gowen, an assistant to Myron Taylor, the US special representative to the Vatican.

Gowen recorded the conversation in a letter to Taylor, saying he had promised Osborne that he would bring his concerns to the “immediate attention” of the US ambassador.

“It was understood that, pending your reaction, he would not take any steps vis-a-vis the Holy See,” Gowen told Taylor.

In the letter, Gowen also said that Mgr Domenico Tardini, the Vatican assistant secretary of state, had told him 10 days earlier that Pope Pius would not “make any radio appeal because if he did so he would, in fairness, to all have to criticise the Russians”, a member of the Allies.

He said he withheld this information from Osborne in the belief that it would be best for Taylor to impart it himself following a meeting with Pope Pius scheduled the day after the letter was written.

The letter was dated November 7, 1944, as the Nazis were organising mass deportations of Jews from Budapest, the Hungarian capital, to death camps in Poland, Austria and Germany.

Rome had been liberated by the US Fifth Army the previous June and, with the Vatican behind Allied lines, the pope had more freedom to speak out.

But as the head of a neutral state, he understood that he could not condemn the war crimes of one side without condemning those of the other.

However, on November 19 – less than two weeks after Gowen wrote his letter – the Vatican joined the neutral states of Spain, Portugal, Switzerland and Sweden to appeal to the Hungarian government to end the deportations.

The British Jewish historian Sir Martin Gilbert, an internationally recognised expert on the Holocaust, said in his 2002 book, The Righteous: The Unsung Heroes of the Holocaust, that at that time the Catholic Church in Budapest was hiding 25,000 Jews in homes and religious institutions.

Simultaneously, the Red Army of the Soviet Union was advancing westward across Europe and killing and raping many innocent people as it was driving Adolf Hitler’s armies into retreat.

Gowen’s letter was made public for the first time by the New York-based Pave the Way Foundation, which is conducting research into the actions of Pope Pius, assisted by a US Catholic lawyer, Ronald Rychlak; German historian Michael Hesemann; and a journalist, Dimitri Cavalli.

Gary Krupp, president of the foundation, told the American Catholic News Service that the Allies feared any condemnation of Josef Stalin’s armies “would work against the unified war effort of the Allies”.

He said the letter was significant because it showed the pressures that confronted Pope Pius, who has been criticised for his alleged silence in the face of the Holocaust.

“The simple reality, which seems to be ignored by many critics, is that the Vatican was a neutral government that used its neutrality to save thousands of lives,” said Mr Krupp.

Gowen’s letter was found by Rychlak among Taylor’s documents and has been posted on the Pave the Way Foundation website.

Another letter made public by the foundation discusses help for Jewish fugitives, with Osborne telling Harold Tittman, another of Taylor’s aides, that it must be destroyed because it might endanger the life an Italian priest who was rescuing Jews if it fell into enemy hands.

It was dated May 20, 1944, barely three weeks before Rome fell to the Allies and, according to the Pave the Way Foundation, shows how the work of rescuing Jews was conducted in secrecy, with most documentary evidence of such activities destroyed almost instantly.

  • http://twitter.com/peballesq Ballester Esquivias

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  • AgingPapist

    Now let us proceed in canonizing Pope Pius XII.

  • Jeannine

    I agree! Some Jews were annoyed with Edith Stein’s canonization yet the proceedings continued. Why is Rome listening to anti-Pius XII opinion that has been refuted beyond a reasonable doubt by persons who have nothing to gain such as Gary Krupp & his Pave the Way Foundation?

  • http://mundabor.wordpress.com/ ebenezer

    SANTO SUBITO!!

    Mundabor

  • DBMcGinnity

    There is a big problem regarding the canonisation of Pius XII. After the war, much of the information regarding his role was embargoed for 100 years. In 2048 when the real truth is revealed about the relationship between Hitler, Mussolini and the Vatican, there will be a furore.

    Hopefully by then, the ethos of the Traditional Latin Mass, Papal Infallibility, Mitres and Anachronistic dress codes, celibacy, women priests, supercilious rituals, fasting and self mortification, dogma about heaven hell and life hereafter will have disappeared completely.

    Before you retort with insulting and accusatory adjectives about me, I can support my premise. 

  • Daniel Hayes

    What premise? All you’ve done is show how you disapprove of everything the Catholic Church stands for. 

  • DBMcGinnity

    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SHOULD STAND FOR THE TRUTH OF CHRIST.

    I have attended a “Novus Ordo Seclorum Mass” this morning and an SSPX Traditional Latin Mass this afternoon. So I do not reject everything about the Catholic church. In the eyes of God, all people are equal regardless of what a group of ageing bachelor misogynists in the Vatican say.

    I purport that that the traditional concept of kingship and monarchy in the church is gone for good. I assert that Papal infallibility is redundant insofar that many people do not recognise or obey the authority of the Pope. I maintain that there is no moral or doctrinal justification for celibacy or for denying women a full and equal role in the church, including priesthood. ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE EQUAL IN THE EYES OF GOD.

    Some of the new proposed laws on equality within the concept of human rights will not exempt the catholic church from their misogyny and sexual discrimination for much longer.  

  • Markcastilano

     The whole idea of Vatican II first came from President Eisenhower soon after The election of Pope John XXIII. Eisenhower was very aware at first hand the legacy of The Nazis concentration camps. He was also very aware of the role of Angelo Roncalli in helping Jews to escape the Nazis and in his dealing with French and Belgian Archbishops and Bishops who had collaborated with the Germans, as most senior catholic clerics in Europe had done. He declared that this sort of thing will never happen again and the power of the Roman Catholic Church will be curtailed forever.

  • Jeannine

    This article is about 1 man not about the very human & full-of-sin bureaucracy of the Catholic Church.I am sure there were some clergy who collaborated with the Axis powers. 

    A few yrs ago, Pope Benedict XVI opened up the Vatican Archives relating to Pope Pius XII. According to the Head of the Archives, they are in the process of organizing all those millions of documents which can take yrs, a very tedious job. Please watch this interview: http://www.barhama.com/PAVETHEWAY/pagano.html.He also notes most of  the relevant material has been documented in 12 volumes since the 1960s. 

    Please visit the Pave the Way Foundation website to view documentation & interviews from primary sources: http://www.ptwf.org/Projects/Education/Pope%20Pius%20XII.htm.

    As I stated before, this man Gary Krupp, a Jew, has nothing to gain in defending Pope Pius XII’s legacy except to improve his foundation’s mission credibility.

  • Jeannine

    Look for Pius XII in the projects section:

    http://www.ptwf.org/default.aspx.. 

  • felice

     all people are equal but not the same.

  • David Aaron Ayalon

     “The Holy Roman Emperor”
    The problem with Pius XII was his shy humourless personality and he was completely devoid of worldly experience. As a boy he lived within the precincts of the Vatican where his father worked. He was privately educated in Rome, and after his ordination as a priest he never served as a curate or parish priest, He was never a diocesan bishop or archbishop, but entered the Vatican diplomatic service soon after his ordination. He has little understanding and no experience of normal life outside the Vatican. His lifestyle was a theoretical ‘virtual reality’ experience.He supported Fascism because he feared Communism especially Stalin, and viewed Hitler and Mussolini as the lesser evil that he thought he could control using catholic dogma and papal infallibility. Before the war and up to the end of 1941, many historians believe that Pius XII supported Hitler gave his acquiescence to the total annihilation of the Jews. After the Americans entered the war, Pius XII then give his support to the Allies and did show a token disapproval for the fate of the Jews. But there is too much objective written evidence gained from senior Catholics clerics who collaborated with the Germans to support that Pius XII initially did support Hitler and Mussolini in his quest to be “The Holy Roman Emperor” and the beginning of a “Pacilli Dynasty”.
    The problem with Pius XII was his shy humourless personality and he was completely devoid of worldly experience. As a boy he lived within the precincts of the Vatican where his father worked. He was privately educated in Rome, and after his ordination as a priest he never served as a curate or parish priest, He was never a diocesan bishop or archbishop, but entered the Vatican diplomatic service soon after his ordination. He has little understanding and no experience of normal life outside the Vatican. His lifestyle was a theoretical ‘virtual reality’ experience.

    He supported Fascism because he feared Communism especially Stalin, and viewed Hitler and Mussolini as the lesser evil that he thought he could control using catholic dogma and papal infallibility. Before the war and up to the end of 1941, many historians believe that Pius XII supported Hitler gave his acquiescence to the total annihilation of the Jews. After the Americans entered the war, Pius XII then give his support to the Allies and did show a token disapproval for the fate of the Jews.

    But there is too much objective written evidence gained from senior Catholics clerics who collaborated with the Germans to support that Pius XII initially did support Hitler and Mussolini in his quest to be “The Holy Roman Emperor” and the beginning of a “Pacilli Dynasty”.

  • Jeannine

    I do not deny that Pope Pius XII was imperfect. With his imperfections he did the best he could under extreme circumstances. I don’t think he or the Vatican was in anyway involved with the Evian Conference of 1938 like many of the western leaders were at the time, the conference that implicitly gave Hitler the green light to exterminate the Jews.

    If what you are saying is true about the 1930s, maybe Pope Pius XII had a St Paul of Taurus moment & “saw the light.” Please keep in mind that Stalin was killing millions of his own people, an immediate concern. I don’t think Hitler was sending anyone to the death camps concurrently with Stalin’s genocide. 
    But I do think you need to read a biography that is not so biased against the man. Why don’t you start with this website,popepiusxii.info. I hope, like me, you are eagerly waiting for the primary sources to be publicly available which I firmly believe will refute any anti-semitic accusations made against Pope Pius XII during his life before, during, & after WWII.

  • Gary Krupp

     

    Literally, every comment of Mr.
    Ayalon is provably incorrect. He is simply regurgitating the theories and speculation
    of the historical revisionist all of whom based their books on amateur
    psychological assessments not documented evidence. Literally none of the historical
    revisionists has ever come to the open Vatican archives up to 1939 for original
    research. They simply read each other’s books and come up with new theories. Eyewitnesses,
    who knew Pacelli personally, would not agree with any of the personality traits
    Mr. Ayalon is stating.

    The newly revealed secret actions
    of Pius XII to save Jewish lives during the war, blows away Mr. Ayalon’s entire
    comment on what he believes the true historians believe. I suggest Mr. Ayalon
    come to our website http://www.ptwf.org and listen
    to Sir Martin Gilbert’s assessment of Pope Pius XII. Many of our eyewitnesses
    are Holocaust survivors and experts who were personally saved by his actions.
    We have the video testimony of the priest who was first sent to Portugal directly
    by Pius XII to obtain entrance visas for Jews. Then Msgr. Ferrofino was posted
    to Haiti and the Dominican Republic where he would receive at least 2 double
    encrypted telegrams from Pius XII per year. He would then deliver these to General
    Trujillo to ask “in the name of Pius XII” for visas for Jews to enter the Dominican
    Republic. He saved 1600 Jews per year from 1939-1945, 11,000 were saved here.
    Msgr would then further route these refugees to the US, Canada, Cuba, Mexico
    and South America. Pius XII acted directly to stop the arrest of the Jews of Rome
    at 2 PM the day they started. He saved over 12,000 based on estimates of the
    outside Jewish population in Rome on October 16, 1943. All of this one month after
    learning that Hitler was going to invade the Vatican and kidnap and kill him.
    He acted in almost every country in Europe to rescue as many of this “Vibrant
    Jewish community” as he could. All while being surrounded by hostile forces
    with an active plan to kill him.

    He despised the Nazis and the Fascist’s,
    which is provable by all of the documents we have posted from as early as the
    1920’s.

    Pacelli’s relations with the
    Jewish people is clear.  In fact, Pacelli
    was a passionate admirer and defender of the Jewish people from his childhood. This
    according to his best friend Guido Mendes, an Orthodox Jewish boy with whom
    Pacelli attended the Visconti School. Mendes would regularly invite Pacelli to
    his home for Shabbat dinner. Pacelli learned how to speak Hebrew and would
    borrow the books of the great Rabbis. We located multiple documents where
    Pacelli intervened as early as 1917 to protect the Jews of Palestine from a
    feared massacre by the Ottoman Turks. He passionately attempted to help the
    Jews of Germany obtain the Palms used for Succoth, which were held up by the Italian
    government in 1917. His intervention to help Nahum Sakolow, President of the World
    Zionist Organization, to meet with Pope Benedict XV in 1917 and then again
    meeting with Sakolow in 1925 to discuss a Jewish homeland in Palestine. In 1926,
    he encouraged all Catholics of Germany to join the Pro-Palestine organization in
    Germany. In 1938, he intervened to reverse an anti-kosher slaughtering law in
    Poland. He made a dynamic public statement to an Arab delegation who came to
    meet with him in August 1946 to try to convince him the oppose the Zionist movement
    in Palestine. He actually used the term “fanatical anti-Semitism” and
    acknowledged how it contributed to unspeakable “persecutions” of the
    Jewish people in his attempt to reason with this Arab group. They left Rome feeling
    “betrayed” according to Israeli Foreign Service documents. In 1945 he predicted
    to 70 Jewish survivors who met him in the Vatican “soon you will have a Jewish
    State” three years before Israel was created. Pius XII was actually responsible
    for the positive vote in the UN for the partitioning of Palestine in November 1947.

    As far as his relations with
    communists and Fascist are concerned, again  Mr. Ayalon is also provably incorrect.  Pius XII encouraged the lend lease act to aid the
    Russians and actually opened negotiations to sign a concordat with them. We
    have the testimony of the highest-ranking KGB agent to defect as to how the
    Soviet Disinformation network worked to translate and produce in 20 languages
    the fictitious play The Deputy, to isolate the Jews from the Catholics
    worldwide and to destroy Pacelli’s reputation 5 years after his death. Prior to
    the implementation of the Soviet operation called “Seat Twelve” literally  every Jewish leader and organization in the
    world showered praise upon Pacelli and his tireless efforts to save Jewish
    lives during the war.

    The problem is that the critics whose
    motives are questionable and who were happily born after the war, simply have
    no empathy or the experiencing the frightening reality of looking into the eyes
    of death every day. Sadly, they simply do not want to examine the provable facts,
    which we are spoon-feeding them on our website and still they do not come …Shame
    on all of them.
    Gary Krupp http://www.ptwf.org

  • DB McGinnity

    There are over 3000 books written on the subject of Pius XII and the Nazi’s. I have read 56 books from all perspectives on this subject and I think the matter should be laid to rest, because it is not possible to make an objective judgement about the social and political trauma of pre WWII.
     
    The bibliography in the link below presents balanced set of references that promote thought and reflection on the life and times of Pus XII. I do not think that he was a bad person and perhaps he deserves to be canonised. It is so easy for someone to sit in an armchair and pontificate about times we cannot fully understand, especially the zeitgeist of fear all over the world at that time.

    I have read The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn many times, and I accept that Pius XII had good reason to be fearful. I also accept that Pius XII has been the scapegoat for some very angry and revengeful people. Pope XII was a good man who had some very ambitious and very nasty, duplicitous advisors. I have read your website http://www.ptwf.org and I am impressed.www.ptwf.org and I am impressed. 

  • DB McGinnity

    GREMLINS AGAIN (2nd. Attempt)

    To Gary Krupp
    To my knowledge, there are over 3000 books written on the subject of Pius XII and the Nazi’s. I have read 56 books from all perspectives and I think the matter should be laid to rest, because it is not possible to make an objective judgement about the social and political trauma of pre WWII.
     
    The bibliography in the link below presents balanced set of references that promote thought and reflection on the life and times of Pus XII. I do not think that he was a bad person and perhaps he deserves to be canonised. It is so easy for someone to sit in an armchair and pontificate about times we cannot fully understand, especially the zeitgeist of fear all over the world at that time.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html

    I have read The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn many times, and I accept that Pius XII had good reason to be fearful. I also accept that Pius XII has been the scapegoat for some very angry and revengeful people. Pope XII was a good man who had some very ambitious and very nasty, duplicitous advisors. I have read your website http://www.ptwf.org and I am impressed.www.ptwf.org and I am impressed. 

  • Thespottedfox

    Such rubbish.  It isn’t a matter of equality rather a matter of precedence.  Our Lord choose his disciples and told them what was expected of them.  You know, the twelve apostles.  They weren’t equal now were they. ” Peter upon this rock I build my church.” 

  • DB McGinnity

    It is very sad that many bloggers retort with unsophisticated and meaningless expletives like rubbish and drivel without giving any logical verification of what that banal exclamation means. Such invective is usually reserved to heated domestic arguments and public house repartee, when people are heavily imbibed with alcohol, but hardly when discussing spiritual and philosophical concepts. It is a sad reflection on the future of the Catholic Church when writers resort to facile, crude and pejorative idioms to describe Muslims, Protestants secularist and modernist. These expressions remind me of the “mods and rockers” era. These terms meant nothing important, except to the few who were undergoing social change. The same applies to the terms secularist and modernist. The Freedom of speech and expression may be important, but truth is more important. To think the truth, to speak the truth, to act the truth is what Jesus meant his apostles to do. Jesus meant us to be truthful, and not use biblical quotations, histrionic religious zeal, exaggerated devotion (bible thumping) and doctrinal hyperbole to oppress, suppress or smother the true teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, an itinerant mystical holy man who loved everybody and saw good in everybody. Use of pejorative and invective idioms contradict the tenets of the eight commandment regarding ‘bearing false witness against your neighbour’.Will some logical, educated and sophisticated person please explain the following conundrum to me. This is a true story. In 1956, a girl I knew wanted to be a church cleaner and to attend to the flowers on the altar. Before she was allowed to do so, she had to undergo some sort of cleansing dispensation ceremony whereby she would be allowed to go near the altar, as women were forbidden from going into the sanctuary (behind the altar rails). Can someone please explain the logicality (not the banality) of this situation. I genuinely wish to know the non-discriminatory justification for this way of thinking. The traditional reason that God selected a man to be his son and Jesus selected men as his apostles does not stack up in terms of reason and logic. I would welcome a cogent answer. Why are women, not suitable to be priests?

  • Jeannine

    I’ve have briefly taken a look at your referenced website. Most of their references are not primary sources but secondary ones which means that there is interpretation involved. Let me put it to you in another way, primary sources are eyewitnesses & the actual documents written at that time by the persons who were involved with the studied event. Good historians would give their eyeteeth to have access to primary sources. As far as I can see Pave the Way Foundation website only has primary sources. Please reread Gary Krupp’s posting esp the 1st paragraph.

  • DB McGinnity

    I understand and accept the importance of primary sources, and that is why so many documents have been embargoed about the war fro 100 years. All sides did terrible things, and no one comes away from war unblemished. I do accept that Pius XII was a good man in a bad situation. I do not think that he was mendacious or diabolical in any way, but he was surrounded by ambitious men in the same way as Pope Paul VI. My informant was American Major Patrick Joseph McGrath a Roman Catholic Chaplin who on May 7th 1945 was present when Eisenhower had been so sickened by the sight of dead bodies on his personal visit to the Ohrdruf forced labour camp near his field headquarters at Gotha, Eisenhower was physically sick behind a jeep at the sight. This vision was imprinted on his mind forever. He was enraged that there was a German Roman Catholic Chaplin who used to celebrate mass for the Catholic German soldiers who used to murder Jews. The Vatican have kept this very quiet. I met him in 1964 and we were discussing Vatican II. It was he who informed me that President Eisenhower played an important role the dissolution of absolute rule of the Pope in terms of Papal infallibility within the Roman Catholic Church. He predicted the informality of the mass, the decline in Catholic religious observance and the role of the laity, and what he predicted, has come true. He predicted that in the fullness of time, the city of Washington DC would be the place of residence for the head of the Roman Catholic Church. He was a wistful thinker and great scholar and I accept that everything he has purported will come true. Not in my lifetime, I may add.I do not know if Eisenhower blamed Pius XII, for the supporting Holocaust but I do know that he blamed the Roman Catholic Hierarchy for their collaboration and cooperation with the Nazis in France, Belgium, Italy and Poland. In Ireland there was widespread support for Germany by John Charles McQuaid the Archbishop of Dublin and Fianna Fail, the ruling party, under Eamon DeValera. He and McOuaid and the Irish Bishops Conference actually signed the book of condolences after the death of Hitler in the German Embassy in Dublin. If Pius XII had hated Hitler as has been suggested, then why would so many Catholic bishops have collaborated with the Germans, and than sign a book of condolences to Hitler. I have no proof of what I have written, and my contribution can be dismissed as worthless conjecture and only time will tell if the prognostications of Patrick Joseph McGrath are fact or fiction; myth or mystery. However, as things stand, it looks as if he might have had a point.

  • Ratbag

    Let us not forget Blessed Pope John Paul II for his role in helping save Jewish lives during the war, too.

    When the truth comes out, Pope Pius XII deserves to be called Riteous Amongst Gentiles… as well as his friend, Monsignor Hugh O’Flaherty – my hero!

  • Jeannine

    “I do accept that Pius XII was a good man in a bad situation. I do not think that he was mendacious or diabolical in any way, but he was surrounded by ambitious men in the same way as Pope Paul VI.”
    The ongoing canonization process for Pius XII is about his holiness not about Church administrative corruption that has always been with us & will continue.  (There is new documentary coming out about the Polish Catholic Church & Nazis cooperation; it debunks that myth. The Nazis, who hated the Catholic Church, murdered 1/3 or 2/3 of the clergy before or at the same time they were going after the Jews. New information is constantly being discovered that debunks these anti-Catholic assumptions.)May I suggest you read a book on Catholic history. Saints and Sinner: A History of the Popes, by Eamon Duffy & understand that WWII was just another chapter of the ongoing struggle within the Church & between the Church & secular powers.I will say this, Eisenhower was a great general but he was also a Presbyterian who grew up in America during a period of anti-Catholic bias. The American Presbyterians hated the Catholic Church up until the 1960s. (Now they just tolerate us.) I would think Eisenhower grew up with some preconceived ideas on the Catholic Church. He would not understand the hierarchal structure of the Catholic Church (who answers to who) & would not understand that it is the duty of every priest to administer the sacraments to his flock, be they British civilians or German soldiers.One more thing, do you really think the Holy Spirit would permit a legitimate pope to permanently reside in Washington DC, a den of scoundrels?

  • DB McGinnity

    Well if it is the same Holy Spirit that allowed The Magdalene Sisters and The Irish Christian Brothers to run Industrial Schools (Slave Labour Camps) and inflict unspeakable cruelty, then anything is possible. Where was Jesus and Mary (both still alive and who had ascended into heaven) to help these poor suffering souls. There are too many loose ends regarding clerical abuse, for me to make a rational decision as to what the Holy Spirit might do.

  • Fatgunman

    Obviously those masses didn’t do you much good. The things you propose to do to The Church are to me unimaginable. I converted from protestant to Catholic specificaly for the order and for the traditional Mass (FSSP). What you propose has been done already. I believe you should just go become a Protestant and be done with it. The fact is that never was it intended for The Church to adapt itdelf to you. You are supposed to adapt yourself to The Chruch. This is no Democracy. This is a Monarchy ruled by King Jesus through his Vicar The Pope If you wish to have a church of your own to rule and monkey about with please feel free to add another denomination to the huge list of protestant denominations. I will be watching with interest for the church of Mcginnty. Good luck. You know, my baby brother is a heretic and he has his own church with a newsletter and everything they have a circulation of 65 worldwide. They rail against Catholics too. You could join them.

  • DB McGinnity

    It does not matter why you joined the Catholic Church and it does not matter how big your soap box is or how loud the volume of your loudhailer is, your opinion is no better or more important to that of any other person. Your use of pejorative and invective idioms about protestants contradict the tenets of the eight commandment regarding ‘bearing false witness against your neighbour’. Therefore your meaningless rhetorical presentation says more about your closed mind and religious bigotry than it does about me.

  • Fatgunman

    It is true as Mr Krupp says that to go about speculating without interviewing the people who were there is senseless. Mr Krupp has access to those who were affected. i would like to remind everyone of an Army phrase of blowing Smoke at someones posterior to make it clean enough for this site. We The Cavalry used smoke quite often to mask what was going on during combat. It’s very effective. I believe that allot of smoke was used during the Holocaust. I do know for sure that there were whole Parishes involved in smuggling refugees of all sorts even Jews as there were Convents and monasteries that were bursting with refugees. During the SS occupation of Rome the Catholic community was resposible for collecting over 100 lbs of gold to give to the SS in an attempt to ransom the Jews of Rome. Such a feat at that time when most riches had been expended is remarkable. The Vatican was nearly bursting with refugees of all sorts so no more could be accomodated there. Mgr. Flaherty of the “inquisition” office (I’m sure that I’ll hear about it if I got it wrong) was running a network of laity and  religious that hid over roughly 2000 others including Jews in and around Rome. All the while Pope Pius ,who new about this of course, kept the SS leadership at bay by Blowing Smoke. You can be sure that in a time when hiding Jews and others would get you shot and destroy the ability to hide more no one keep records saying yes we are hiding 25 Jews here. Ja herr loitman Ich hab 50 Juden. Don’t be silly. Many times the knowledge went to the grave with the ones responsible.

  • Jeannine

    DBMcGinnity,

    I feel sorry that you can not separate the Irish travesty, unrelated to this article, with that of the canonization process of Pius XII. I feel sorry that you can not see that there are many more good clerics inside the Catholic Church compared to the bad ones.  I will pray that the Holy Spirit takes the scales away from your eyes & softens your heart so that you can pray often for the conversion of sinners esp those priestly sinners. Peace be with you brother/sister.

  • Jeannine

    DBMcGinnity,

    I feel sorry that you can not separate the Irish travesty, unrelated to this article, with that of the canonization process of Pius XII. I feel sorry that you can not see that there are many more good clerics inside the Catholic Church compared to the bad ones.  I will pray that the Holy Spirit takes the scales away from your eyes & softens your heart so that you can pray often for the conversion of sinners esp those priestly sinners. Peace be with you brother/sister.

  • Michelle Eves

    I read the whole story with a degree of anger.

     The Roman catholic church wasn’t just a roman institution on the wrong side of history during WW2. The fact is some sections of it were actively involved and participating with the armies that manifestly were Satans. It was the moistly Anglican countries such as the UK, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, S. Africa, India and other commonwealth who made up the mighty armies confronting the monster that was.

     Where was the Roman church when mass murder was committed throughout europe and the world whilst skulking behind its Italian protagonists and co-conspirators? The culpability of Rome in demonising Jews without ever accepting it’s own responsibility in the death of our lord was a significant factor in the murder of Jews and history demands that this be recounted. If history is a measure of Gods will, then let the Roman Church be condemned for its complicity in mass murder and killings throughout the ages from whence it arrived which was around 4th century BC and not earlier as you would have the mass believe. 

    Lastly, I would simply enquire if the Romans would stick your head in an oven if told to because the scenarios of your story is it was every one else’s fault and not entirel;y of your own making. How sad!

  • Rich

    hahaha, so funny, made my day :)

  • Rich

    lol, so funny!

  • Rich

    Oh dear, time to pause and smile maybe!

  • Mark Castilano

    I have heard of someone being a person of few words, but you are a person of very few words. You must be fair and to all and elucidate what particular aspects of Mr McGinnity blogs were so funny. They were reflective and thought provoking, but hardly funny. I do not suppose you found them funny in a sarcastic, mocking, disdainful or contemptuous context, I do hope not !!!  Are you a Ivy League Scholar?

  • DB McGinnity

    I have already acknowledged that Pius XII was innocent of wrong doing, and I feel that he should be canonised because of what he suffered. He was Pope at an ‘unimaginable’ time when there was ‘Hell on earth’ and the devil was very busy. I do not blame him, and I accept that he has been the scapegoat of vicious people. However, he was the reigning pope during the 1940’s and 1950’s when I was growing up, and I cannot dissociate him from the monstrous sadistic things that went on. My tutor told us to talk and write about things “you know about”, preferably from your own personal experience. That is why I write about Ireland. I was not abused, but I did witness the most awful things that were done “In the Name of God”.

  • Kyriakos

    You are  naive and speak like an19th century ‘know nothing’ protestant who is biased and semi-educated in Christianity.Guys like you don’t even deserve a factual and logical refutation of your  fundamentalist nut comments.

  • Michelle Eves

    I live in todays world and know more about Roman  catholic history than most roman catholics so its seems!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, agree wholeheartedly with Aging Papist!

  • Mannstein

    Most scholars agree that there were no “Death Camps” in Germany proper. Why does Simon Caldwell miss lead his readers with outdated WWII propaganda and why does the editor of the catholic Herald let this get past his or her desk?

  • Linda

    I’ve followed your posts with concern. You probably are a frustrated woman full of hatred for the world around you. You use invective after invective with terrible aggressiveness. You don’t listen to any sensible arguments. You are emotionally unbalanced. And that’s not the matter of religion but I’m sure you overreact to anything. You need healing and loving people around you. God bless you

  • Anonymous

    Your objections to the Catholic Church are hardly new but if you are going to lecture us on our “closed mind and religious bigotry” then you might do well to remember that all you have done is ranted against the Catholic Church and if you would be so kind as to present a reasoned and civil argument then I’m sure that everybody would be far more willing to answer your objections in an equally reasonable fashion- also, in reply to the one point you have made without the use of crude insults, women are not permitted to be priests because their role in the Church does not involve the priesthood (though I emphasize it is just as important) and if you wish to know the roles of men and women then I suggest that you read a Bible properly and pay particular attention to the punishment of Eve. That should be sufficient.

  • William McCaughey

    My mother used to help clean the sanctuary and arrange flowers on the altar with a group of other women.  I do not recall her having to undergo any purification ceremony!  This was before the end of VAT II.  If you really care about the truth, you should spend a little more time researching it!  The Catholic and Orthodox notion of the male priesthood is based on the concept that the priest is an “alter Christus,” (eg: one who serves in the place of Christ).  If Christ had wanted a male/female priesthood, He probably would have designated His mother or Mary Magdalene as apostles.  For whatever reason, He did not!  The Eastern Orthodox do not have female priests nor did the ancient Christians.  The ancient Jewish priesthood was certainly male.  Christ was certainly not the “Daddy Warbucks” you make Him out to be.  He was very critical of the pharisees and the sadducees of His day and certainly did not treat the moneychangers in the temple very well!!  He also had harsh words concerning those who would destroy the innocence of children!  All of this is mentioned in the New Testament which is supposedly one of your sources for the truth. 

  • Reactionary_Konkvistador

    Why don’t you just attend a Unitarian Universalist church then? There is nothing of Biblical or traditional value in your views, and note that I’m saying this as an outside observes (being an atheist).

    In any case most of your views belong in the 1960s not the 2040s.

  • Reactionary_Konkvistador

    “ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE EQUAL IN THE EYES OF GOD.”

    No they aren’t. Remember he used to have a special arrangement just with a certain desert tribe.

  • srdc

    Political language cannot explain theology.  Everybody’s political and personal opinions cannot be declared theology.

    Stop hiding behind political language, and start thinking in context.

    The sacraments will never be politicized for you or for anybody else.

    You can throw as many tantrums as you want.