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Leading ex-Anglo-Catholic shuts down blog

By on Thursday, 9 June 2011

Fr Hunwicke's last blog post

Fr Hunwicke's last blog post

A prominent ex-Anglo-Catholic has shut down his blog in wake of news that his ordination as a priest in Britain’s ordinariate has been “deferred”.

John Hunwicke, former Anglican priest at St Thomas the Martyr, Oxford, and former Senior Research Fellow at Pusey House, said there had been a “misunderstanding” about the content of his blog.

He added: “I shall promptly delete any comments on it (or emails sent to me) which are in any way whatsoever critical of the Catholic Church, or any of its officers, or of the ordinariate.”

His blog “Fr Hunwicke’s Liturgical Notes” was read by many in the blogosphere and has received extensive support and prayers.

A distinguished intellectual, Fr Hunwicke opened his last blog post with the words: “I had better share with my friends the distressing news that my ordination within the Catholic Church has been ‘deferred’.

“Despite everything, I remain convinced that the ordinariate is the only means of achieving the great vision of the Catholic Revival.”

Blogger Fr Ray Blake said he was dismayed at the news.

Fr Ray Blake said: “I, too, am distressed to read this. I have never understood anything you have written to be unkind or ever contrary to the Faith … Your blog has been very important to me in my own spiritual and theological growth.”

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com Joan

    I think you mix up being in communion with Rome/Pope a bit here.  Yes, we have to be in communion with the Pope insofar as he is in communion with Tradition.  Vatican I taught that popes cannot teach anything new, they are only given authority to protect and preach Tradition.  Therefore, all the new things that have come out of Vatican II or post-Vatican II like the new Mass, and ecumenism etc. we are not bound to accept.  Nothing new can be imposed, that is always the litmus test, because we cannot break with Apostolic Tradition. That is why you are right that we must always be in communion with the APOSTOLIC See of Rome – when it is in communion with Apostolic Tradition.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com Joan

    Cathedralman,

    you seem to be a very unhappy person, always having a go at other bloggers.  How can you call someone you’ve presumably never met “arrogant”?

    Yes, you’re right – it’s great how omniscient some people are.

  • AgingPapist

    Please spare us this Popish tommyrot.  CDR is not providing us with “Catholic doctrine”. It is a canonical ruling and not a particularly well informed one at that.

    There are Anglican bishops and priests who are indeed valid and members of fully functioning, authentic Christian churches and not this fiction of an “ecclesial body”. They’ve received their holy orders via Polish National Catholic and Church of Utrecht bishops, not to mention recalcitrant Orthodox bishops. That is an historical fact– a reality.

    Added to that, since 1970 , many Anglican priests are former Roman Catholic priests who converted, especially in the U. S. Episcopal Church, and their flock today receive both a valid eucharist and valid sacraments. They are not members of some unofficial entity created by Roman canonists.

     I know of two priests myself. Much has changed since Pope Leo XIII’s time.

  • Den flyvende hollender

    You are wrong. The litmus test is communion with Rome. Do not presume to judge the Holy Father: Prima sedes a nemine iudicatur (The First See is judged by no one). When you pick and choose what you like and don’t like about the Catholic faith, you are no better than Luther and Calvin. In short, you are just another “cafeteria Catholic.” Either you accept the Catholic faith in full or not at all. That said, the teaching of Vatican II should always be understood in continuity with the past, not as a rupture. That’s where so many “modern” Catholics go wrong. They see a big rift between the world before Vatican II and after Vatican II, as if the Church was founded in the 1960s and not by Our Lord Himself. That too is heresy. So, we need to keep a fine balance, and to achieve this there is no better guide than Our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI. Please do read his works, such as The Spirit of the Liturgy and An Introduction to Christianity, and I am sure you will agree.

  • Den flyvende hollender

    In the language of the King James Bible, Ghost and Spirit are synonyms. Please forget about modern “ghost” stories for a moment and understand that the Holy Ghost is just and old-fashioned name for the Holy Spirit

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com Joan

    What sort of  Catholic would use a Protestant Bible, full of errors?  Why aren’t you using the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible?

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com Joan

    Well, if I’m wrong, so are recent popes. Pope John Paul II apologised for the liturgical scandals on at least one occasion and Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, called the new Mass “a fabricated, on the spot production” which had ruptured the traditional practice of building up the Mass, never before has the Mass been ditched to produce a new one, as he said, which turned out to be “a fabricated, on the spot production.” So was he judging a pope?  Pope Paul VI, who gave us this fabricated on the spot production?

    Yes, we must accept the Catholic faith in full.  But these new things imposed in the name of Vatican II, a new Mass, ecumenical watering down of the faith etc, are not part of the Catholic faith. They are novelties which are undermining the Catholic faith.  How can ecumenism as it is now happening in our parishes, be understood in continuity with the past?  In the past, all of these events were condemned by popes in encyclical letters.

    This idea of a “balance” does not make sense.  How can you “balance” what previous popes said such as Pope Saint Pius X who said “far, far from our priests be the love of novelty” and say that all the novelties of modern popes are part of the Catholic faith?

    I am put off reading this pope’s writings because I read somewhere that he has put a warning at the front of his recent book about Jesus that these are his own opinions and there may be errors in there.  I am just gobsmacked that any pope would write a book giving his opinions which he admits might be erroneous, at a time of confusion in the Church and I’m afraid I see my duty to protect my soul from danger as being more important than buying his books. Maybe you think he’s infallible all the time, even when writing books, but that’s not what the Church teaches, so I’m going to give his books a miss.

  • CathedralMan

    Joan

    You must not be listening properly.

    I have outlined on numerous occasions, ad nauseam, my gripe with Catholic Truth.

    The Editor has taken upon herself then role of attacking everyone who doesn’t agree with her view of the world and the Church. Every Scottish bishop has been the target of rants. She has made threats to priests, notably Fr Ed Hone from Edinburgh, because he refused to answer questions from her about his sexuality. She threatened to ‘doorstep’ him if he didn’t reply to her emails. That is harassment, wouldn’t you agree? When she is criticised by anyone else, she cries ‘unfair’, and stomps off in the huff.

    The list of clergy she has threatened and tried to intimidate is endless. This is not Christianity or Catholicism.

    She criticises the lifestyles of the Catholic clergy in Scotland, yet her fiercest ally (or lapdog) is a blogger called Petrus, who again is a dab hand at badmouthing the scottish Clergy. Petrus is the father of a young baby (whom he called after the Editor of CT!), but spent all day, every day on the CT blog. I thought the role of a young Catholic father was to provide for his family, not spend all day on a computer. When did he have the chance to work? He claimed he was a teacher, but didn’t seem to do much teaching. When I criticised his lifestyle, all the venom that EditorCT could muster was visited upon me.

    Even one of her most loyal acolytes, Athanasius, jumped ship from the CT blog, saying that EditorCT has a most unfortunate personality.

    If you agree with this model of Catholicism and behaviour, Joan, then you are in good company with EditorCT. It is not the God I believe in, and I will strive to counter her malevolent behaviour whenever I can.

    Have I explained my position clearly enough?

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com Hercule

    Cathedralman,

    Have you ever met EditorCT? 

  • CathedralMan

    Hercule

    Why do you ask?

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com Hercule

    I ask because nothing you have told about EditorCT or that I’ve read on the CT website, is enough to cause you to hold her in such disdain. The bottom line is that at worst, she’s done nothing more than many newspaper reporters do every day (judging by your reports that she has exposed some priests for misbehaving, shall we say). I think you must have met her and maybe had a run in with her at some point. I also think it is odd that you didn’t just answer my question, which makes me quite sure that I’ve guessed aright.

  • CathedralMan

    Hercule

    One of the aspects of the CT blog that I found annoying was the way that bloggers jumped to conclusions. I have never in my life spoken to the dear lady, and if I never do, it will be too soon. I am fussy about the company I keep.

    You say that she has done nothing more than many newspaper reporters. What an accolade!

    What gives her the right to act as judge and jury on her fellow men? What gives her the right to ‘expose’ priests for their bad behaviour? Could her life stand close scrutiny?

  • CathedralMan

    Joan

    Every word of the post I referred to smacked of self-righteousness and arrogance. Read again with an objective eye and you will see.

  • CathedralMan

    Joan

    How can you know that someone you have never met is unhappy?

    Think before you post and insult.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com Hercule

    How can you think that someone asking a question is jumping to conclusions?

    Do you get so worked up about newspaper reporters as you do about EditorCT?  That was really my point.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

    Joan, thank you again for commenting so positively about Catholic Truth but I really mean it when I say don’t waste your time trying to reason with Cathedralman.  There’s a serious problem there, and nothing anyone says will move him in his pursuit of my head.  If half as many men were after my hand as are after my head, I could be living in style out in the south of France.  But ours not to reason why!

    What Cathedralman doesn’t know, he makes up.  I mean, how could he possibly know if Petrus had named his baby son after moi?  I  know for a fact that there is no such statement on our blog and we were all wishing Petrus well before and after the happy event on there.  Petrus announced the baby’s name but there was no mention of Patrick being named after Patricia.  Me, in Cathedralman’s place, I would have presumed the child was named after St Patrick but then, as I keep telling you all, I’m a simple gal.

    So, pay no attention to him. I just smile at his same old, same old rantings.  He’s not convincing anyone, certainly not any objective reader of his very unkind, to say the least, posts.  I know that because a number of people have remarked on his posts and said: “Patricia, ignore him.”   If they saw your posts, Joan, they’d say “Joan, ignore him.”  Profound, my friends.

    The truth is, Cathedralman doesn’t mind priests having affairs or running gay groups, and he wouldn’t even mind reading about them if they were published in secular newspapers. He just doesn’t like Catholic Truth doing it. Why?  Well, we make the connection, you see, missed by the rest of the media, that the increasingly decadent Catholic priesthood is increasingly blatantly so because of our dissident-through-to-apostate bishops – and folks like Cathedralman, steeped in the newer, if fewer religion, don’t want to believe that. They want to think that God has okayed this new Church and folk like Catholic Truth point out that it ain’t necessarily so… 

    You see where I’m going, Joan?  So, thanks for all your efforts but don’t waste your time.  I just smile at Cathedralman’s rants and I suggest you do the same from now on.

  • Little Black Censored

    Back to the original subject of this discussion. One of the saddest aspects of this disgraceful affair is the silence on the part of Fr Hunwicke’s fellow members of the Ordinariate. If they can’t hold on to their freedom of thought and speech, the rest of the Anglican “patrimony” will not be worth having.

  • Sammy the Spiv

    This a dreadful business and no mistake. Fr Hardwicke, the blameless originator of the wonderful ‘Dutch Cap’ is censored and, indeed, censured. My take on all this? Well..perhaps it was a mistake in the final analysis to endorse Muslim men who force their numerous wives to wear the burqua, even for a joke. We may never see his like again in our lifetime.  

  • Sammy the Spiv

    My sources tell me that each one has been paid the princely sum of 50p (not £5 as reported elsewhere) to keep his mouth shut, otherwise ‘big Benny’s gonna getcha’. Winifred Godd and I are just good friends, by the way.

  • Den flyvende hollender

    So much the worse for you.

  • Petrus

    Cathedralman, my old friend!  What a surprise I got, having not been on the Catholic Herald Blog for a few weeks, to see you speak so highly of me. I, too, would be interested to know how you are o knowledgeable of how I name my children, considering I haven’t ever discussed this online…

    As for your slanderous comments, well, I don’t feel I need to justify how I live my life.  What I will say is this: isn’t it very, very strange that Catheralman fails criticise priests who live wicked double lives, or promote homosexuality, but has no problem questioning the lifestyle of a straight, married, Catholic father?  Very interesting. 

    I, too, would be interested to know if Cathedralman has such an unhealthy obsession with journalists of secular newspapers.  No, I didn’t think so.  It’s personal with the Editor of Catholic Truth.  Cathedralman also claimed to have bought a ticket for the Catholic Truth conference a few years ago, just so he could catch a glance of the Editor.  This man is seriously creepy, folks.  He’s obsessed with homosexual priests and obsessed with the Editor of Catholic Truth.  I wonder why…

  • Petrus

    I posted a reply to this comment a few days ago and it appears to have been removed…Could someone at the Catholic Herald explain why some posts are removed and extremely offensive posts, like the one above, are allowed to remain? 

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

     I share Petrus’ concerns.   I’ve had an email from a blogger who has been blocked from the Herald site for saying “get a life, little woman, get a life.”  No big deal, unless you’re a brain dead feminist (aren’t they all.)

    Yet Cathedralman is allowed free rein to say what he likes about Petrus and about me.  Now, I don’t care what he says about me, but his nasty comments about Petrus are unacceptable.

    If Cathedralman is to be permitted to speak so uncharitably about other bloggers, then the least we can ask is a level playing field – let us all speak our minds without fear of being censored and even blocked.

    Please and thank you, Catholic Herald.

  • Petrus

    I am absolutely astounded that someone was banned for saying something so minor.  After three days of flagging Cathedralman’s comment as inappropriate it is still there.  Someone at the Catholic Herald has some serious questions to answer.  All we are asking for is a level playing field…

  • BG in Idaho

    Dear Rev. Hunwicke: Perhaps it’s a blessing in disguise. If you want to become a Catholic priest, try looking into a traditional training and getting a pre-1968 ordination, and learning the pre-Bugnini 1950s rite. If you settle for less, you’ll still be an Anglican, just with the Vatican as your master. Demand the genuine article!

  • Jerry

    How does the whether Abp. A or Cdn. B agree with the Church have any bearing on the SSPX?

    What a rubbish reply.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com EditorCT

    Don’t be so rude.  It is not “rubbish” to point out that those who attack the SSPX for “disobedience” to the Pope but turn a blind eye to the blatant disobedience of the modern bishops, are being, to say the least, inconsistent.  You  won’t find Bishop Fellay questioning Catholic teaching on celibacy, contraception, homosexuality or anything else.  You WILL find plenty of modern bishops doing so including Archbishop Conti and Cardinal O’Brien.  Think.