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SSPX leaders have rejected Vatican statement, says superior

By on Wednesday, 2 November 2011

Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior of the SSPX, ordains a priest in Econe, Switzerland (Photo: CNS)

Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior of the SSPX, ordains a priest in Econe, Switzerland (Photo: CNS)

Leaders of the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) have agreed that the doctrinal preamble presented to them by the Vatican is “completely unacceptable”, according to the society’s district superior in Britain.

In a newsletter posted online and subsequently removed, Fr Paul Morgan said SSPX superiors had rejected the doctrinal principles set out by the Vatican as the basis for further discussion.

The superiors met last month in Albano, Rome, but said they would only issue a response to the Vatican after further study.

In an official statement today the SSPX said that “only the General House of the Society of St Pius X is entitled to make public an official communiqué or authorised commentary on this matter”.

In his letter Fr Morgan said it was “disappointing” that the doctrinal statement, handed to SSPX leaders by Cardinal William Levada, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, “failed to acknowledge the break between traditional and conciliar teachings”.

“Instead,” he wrote, “it insisted upon the ‘hermeneutic [interpretation] of continuity’, stating that the new teachings included and improved upon the old!

“So it was perhaps not surprising to learn that the proposed doctrinal basis for any canonical agreement in fact contained all those elements which the Society has consistently rejected, including acceptance of the New Mass and of Vatican II as expressed in the New Catechism. Indeed, the document itself conveys the impression that there is no crisis in the Church…

“Hence the stated consensus of those in attendance was that the doctrinal preamble was clearly unacceptable and that the time has certainly not come to pursue any practical agreement as long as the doctrinal issues remain outstanding.”

The Vatican statement listed several principles that the SSPX had to agree with in order to move towards full conciliation with Rome.

It came after two years of doctrinal talks between leaders of the SSPX and officials at the Vatican.

  • Benedict Carter

    Post again when you learn how to spell.

  • Benedict Carter

    Alcuin, before you post utter bollocks, learn something about ther SSPX, eh?

  • Benedict Carter

    How can the SSPX POSSIBLY be heretics when they hold to the Catholic Faith of 20 centuries?

  • Benedict Carter

    The abuses flow from the Novus Ordo. You cannot abuse the Old Mass, it’s impossible to do so. The NO has abuse at its core.

  • Benedict Carter

    Correct, it will never happen, thank God.

  • Thomas

    This is the most hypocritical bunch of nonsense i have ever read. Also it is a lie Jesus spoke Hebrew as this is the language most Jews of his day spoke. Not to mention which you would have to say for 1969 years the church was incorrect in the way it said mass and only corrected it’s self when it came out with the most obnoxious and banal form of mass ever breaking with all catholic tradition and getting protestant advice to come up with the n.o. mass.
    Nervous Disorder is the best way of describing the new mass ever come up with. It is from beginning to end a disordered mass which brings with it loss of the true catholic faith. Not to mention if you read any catholic bible printed before Vatican 2 the words for many are correct.The new mass is at best illicit and at worst sacrilegious. Read St. pope Pius the fifth’s bull promalgating the Tridentine Mass. Do the words “let anyone who would dare to change this mass in any way know they have incurred not only my wrath but the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed apostles Peter and Paul” mean anything to you.Sounds like you are a typical liberal who will go along with anything just cause it is new and doesn’t bother to check his facts.

  • Thomas P Stemmer

    Protestants are the ones who changed everything and left the church. The SSPX changed nothing from the way the church was before the abomination known as vatican 2. The N. O. changed the church since vatican 2. This is an historical fact.

    So who is the one who broke with the church of all time by changing the N. O. not the SSPX. The N. O. sounds like the true protestants to me. 

  • Thomas P Stemmer

    Your comment is pure rubbish. One would have to be retarded or blind to not see how the Catholic Church has been destroyed by the abomination called Vatican 2. Even Pope Paul 6th said that the smoke of Satan had entered the church by a crack. That crack is Vatican 2. Now Vatican 3 needs to be called to undue all the damage done by vatican 2.

  • Thomas P Stemmer

    All you have to do is attend a new mass to see how banal and devoid of anything meaningful that it is.

  • Thomas P Stemmer

    I think it is time that you clear the wax out of your ears and listen. I have attended the sspx indult and other tridentine masses ever since 1986 and never have i heard a priest say the new mass was invalid. the new mass is banal devoid of anything meaningful and irritating and most often sacrilegious but it isn’t necessarily an invalid mass if all the conditions necessary for validity are present. Thise being the correct form matter and intention of the priest.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Calling the new mass the same as the tridentine rite is like saying that eating cake is the same as eating mud. It is a ludicrous statement. Just reading the missal for both masses will show you what a lie that is. Martin Luther would love you and all the other supporters of the new mass and of Vatican 2 as you have done more to destroy the one holy catholic apostolic church than all the protestants ever could. You have succeeded in granting Martin Luther the one thing he wanted most the destruction of the roman rite of mass.
    Ecumenism is a practice condemned solemnly by many popes and holding religious services such as assisi is also condemned by the teaching authority of the past and the current popes have no right to change this. Truth is absolute and can not be changed and the fact that you think that they do have the right to change what was solemnly condemned in the past just shows how ignorant you are. Like Jesus says there is none so blind as those who will not see. What you will not see is that the abomination called Vatican 2 and the new order of mass have succeeded in destroying all of catholic traditional teaching in the areas of liturgy relations with non catholic religions and relations between the bishops and the pope.
    Not to mention the intentions of those who implemented the changes brought about by the devil at Vatican 2 clearly stated there intention of making piece with the modern world and all the non catholic relidgions which right away states there purpose is non catholic. What happened to the teaching of outside the church there is no salvation? What happened to the teaching on the three major enemies of the catholic church the world the flesh and the devil? Even a school child who studies the traditional catholic teachings could tell you exactly how vatican 2 departs from the magisterium  of the catholic church on many points.
    Whether or not the pope called the new mass banal does not change the fact that the new mass is evil because it was made as a compromise with protestants and downplays the true sacrificial nature of the mass if it doesn’t eliminate it all together.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Do you know Bishop Williamson or have you at least heard him speak? I have many times since 1986 and above all Bishop Williamson is a very intelligent kind man who loves truth and hates stupidity and being hypocritical. He speaks out very forcefully in favor of the truth. From what i know of Bishop Williamson he would be the first to be happy about the reconciliation  of the sspx and rome if it was done in such a way as to ensure the traditional roman catholic faith.
    As far as your comment about Bishop Williamson saying woman shouldn’t wear pants Bishop Williamson is 100 percent correct that woman shouldn’t wear pants. This is the teaching of pope pius the 11th. 
    i will never understand the thinking of the new order because they harp on obedience when it suits there purpose but they are the first to make fun of papal teachings like women not wearing pants when they don’t agree. Also new order catholics are the first to agree when the pope or bishop disent from the teaching authority of there predessors. Sounds hypocritical to me. 
    The devil really won a great battle when he got catholics to disobey all the previous teaching of the one holy catholic apostolic  church in the name of obedience.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    You are correct that people are living in a fantasy world. However the fantasy you state is incorrect. The true fantasy is how people can still pretend that vatican 2 and the new order is catholic when clearly it is not.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Maybe the new mass isn’t boring to you but it is sacrilegious and banal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    The new mass may be valid it is still illicit sacrilegious and banal and only a fool would go to it!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    God forbid the sspx ever says the novus ordo mass. I know praise be to God that will never happen as long as Bishop Fellay is in charge.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    I agree one hundred percent brother.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Spoken like a true idiot!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Spoken like a true idiot Brian

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    You are so screwed up in the head i dont think there is any hope for u angel. but for the sake of charity i will try to explain this so even you can understand. 
    When the protestents left they changed the mass and the teaching and the sacraments. When the abomination of vatican 2 came they changed the mass the sacraments and the teaching. 
    The true protestant reformers are the Novus Ordo not the SSPX.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Problem with that Editor is that angel probably thinks santa claus is real in his dilusion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    When the vatican gets rid of vatican 2 and all its supporters they will get rid of the schismatics and heretics not before!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Very well put. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Spoken like a true idiot! I like the fact that everyone on here attacking Bishop Williamson come off sounding like an ignorant person. Don’t hate because Bishop Williamson is to smart for you and you can’t or wont take the time to understand what he is saying.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Or even better the CDF could excommunicate all so called Catholics who adhere  to the Novus Ordo and vatican 2

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Oh yes the novus ordo and vatican 2 is definite error!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    no vatican 2 and the novus ordo is explicitly leading the church to error.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Look in any catholic church where vatican 2 isnt followed and the novus ordo mass isnt said and you will find the one true holy catholic and apostolic church!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    Oh yes the entire vatican 2 Novus Ordo church being excomunicated! can one dream it will happen?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    If you read some of the butchered english translations of the bible that came out since vatican 2 you might find the word all but not in the catholic bible you wont.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44USYVLGRI2MOBNNDIECG3OUGY thomas

    What the CDF needs to do is excomunicate everyone who follows vatican 2 or the novus ordo mass and we will recover from this crisis in the church tommorrow.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe to you, my friend, but the fact remains that SSPX is not in union with Rome, hence on the way to becoming the new Protestants. I do find that terribly sad and I also find the response from SSPX to be fulled with arrogance and false pride. May you and your leaders receive a fresh outpouring of the Holy Spirit in order to enable them to see the Truth found only in the Roman Catholic Church.

  • Trealach

    So I guess the SSPX spat out the dummy and took their toys home? I suppose it won’t be long before the SSPX will claim that Christ established their church and called it the SSPX ….sighhhhh little boys who don’t like playing with adults.

  • Anonymous

    Thomas, your name-calling is not only silly, it is also a mortal sin to call someone an “idiot”. It is in our teachings and of course, in Scripture. May God open your mind and heart to the Truth!

  • John Harmsen

    There will never be peace,order,sound theology and truly reverent liturgy in the Church again until all the old fogies
    responsible for the disaster of Vatican Two have ALL died off. Among these is,alas, our present pope
    Benedict XVI. He,after all, was one of the principal drivers working behind the scenes, to bring about these
    dreadful changes in the Liturgy,Sacraments and Theology AND,not to forget the FALSE ecumenism.
    The Second Vatican Council fundamentally departed from the things the Church had always stood for.
    It caused civil war in many good Catholic families as well as in the Church herself.
    Bishop Fellay could do NO other “veritas mutari nullo modo potest”
    I rest my case.
    John Harmsen.
      

  • Anonymous

    I presume you’ve spotted the gaping irony in that comment?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and I can see that happening..

    ..any day now.

    No, really. I mean it.

    Yes, indeedy.

    Every chance.

  • Tiddles the Cat

    At least when women wear decent fitting trousers (not skin-tight), they are more modest than, say, short skirts.

    We could meet half way with women wearing mantillas or other headgear in Church.

  • Tiddles the Cat

    There’s a point! LOL

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

    How is it sacriliegious ? How is it illicit? Is banility intrinsic to the new rite? I have assisted/served at N.O Masses where the Priest has offered it reverently, Versus Domminum, in Latin and it was very eddifying.

    I am a fool good sir for assisting at the New Mass 27 days of the month? My Parish Priest only says the Traditional Mass 3 Sundays a month and I cannot attend the Traditonal Mass on other days without inccuring expenses which I am unable to afford at this moment in time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

    A Priest can abuse the old rite just as he can abuse the new, according to a lady at my parish two priests once competed against each other to see how fast they could say the old mass, if that is not abuse then I don’t know what is