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Irish ‘Catholic Voices’ is established

By on Friday, 17 February 2012

An Irish equivalent to the lay group Catholic Voices has been established.

Catholic Comment, like its British equivalent, has been formed to prepare a team of lay people to speak about the Catholic faith in the media. It is currently looking for potential speakers, and those selected will be offered media training and briefings on topical issues as they prepare for TV and radio appearances.

The project directors will include independent senator Rónán Mullen, former management consultant, Catríona Curran, theology student Maura Garrihy and barrister Lorcán Price.

Petra Conroy, the project co-ordinator, said: “Despite the challenges and crises of recent years, the Catholic faith matters to very many people in Ireland. There are thousands of people with a sincere commitment to the mission and teachings of the Church. Yet the media often has a hard job finding people who can speak confidently.”

Miss Conroy said that the group had received unofficial support already: “We are not an official body. But we aim to support the Church’s own communications efforts by offering a team of well-informed lay people. The Eucharistic Congress will be a time of heightened interest in Catholicism and we will assist journalists looking for people of faith who are ready and able to speak.”

Catholic Voices was established in the run-up to Pope Benedict’s visit in 2010, and Miss Conroy said: “Our style of communication will be very similar.”

Those interested in becoming speakers are invited to contact Petra Conroy before March 6 at catholiccomment.ie

  • http://www.facebook.com/maidrinrua Maidrin Rua

    Gr8 idea, folks

  • http://twitter.com/PJTPOOAM Thomas Poovathinkal

    PEOPLE MAKE UP THE CHURCH.

    PRIESTS ARE MADE FOR THE PEOPLE AND NOT THE OTHER WAY. INSTITUTIONALISATION

    HAS BROUGHT UP SUCH AN EVIL SITUATION. THE OFFICIAL CHURCH(CHURCHES ARE) IS

    RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. IF EUROPE IS TODAY LOST TO CHRIST, IT IS BECAUSE OF THE

    OFFICIALS. THESE ARE NOT APOSTLES IN PRACTICE.

    PRIESTS SHOULD  CULTIVATE THE DIVINE FITNESS TO BE APOSTLES AND BECOME TRULY

    SUCH OR ELSE THEY SHOULD EXAMINE THEIR CONSCIENCE AND SEE WHETHER THEY HAVE

    LOST THE CALL OF CHRIST DUE TO THEIR UNFAITHFUL AND EVEN SCANDALOUS LIFE.  (LOOK

    AT ST.PAUL WHO WAS NOT OF THE TWELVE AND YET IS THE GREATEST OF ALL APOSTLES).

    THOSE WHO WANT TO EARN  MERELY THEIR EARTHY BREAD AND LIVE A LIFE MAKING THE

    BEST OF BOTH THE WORLDS SHOULD FIND THEIR PLACE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.

    FACE THE TRUTH OR QUIT.

    Thomas Poovathinkal

  • Michael d’Arcy

    Welcome on board! 
    Do chum Gloire De agus Onora na hEireann.

  • Anonymous

    Lets hope they are better than the UK group. Which are sub-optimal.

  • Honeybadger

    It’s a great idea, for sure!

    Just one bit of advice – don’t water down Church teaching. Tell it like it is. Be confident in your faith, now a weeny-voiced coward.

    Above all – pray a Hail Mary before the mics and/or lights go up!

  • Honeybadger

    Sorry for the typo – I meant to type ‘… NOT a weeny-voiced coward.’

  • Honeybadger

    Where are they, these days?

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/ EditorCT

    Honeybadger,

    You got it all wrong.  These – if they are anything like the Catholic Voices people over here – will be dissenters to their fingertips.  Anyone presenting to join them who suggests praying a Hail Mary before going on air will be labelled “Catholic Taliban” and dropped like a hot potato.
    Ireland is in a bad enough state without more dissenters spinning more confusion. God help Ireland. 

  • Dr PJ McFall

    “It ain’t necessarily so!”The Catholic Church could make a big breakthrough in logic and intangibility by admitting that that the tenets of the Apostles Creed and the The Nicene Creed “ain’t necessarily so”. It can now be truthfully admitted by the Catholic Church that the early doctors of the church formulated this doctrine in a demonological and superstitious age where belief and fear of demons and devils were ubiquitous and the mythical magical ideas or gods and devils like those depicted in “The Odyssey” produced fear of the wrath of the Gods. The Church promoted the idea of people offering prayers, senseless rituals giving of money and other aspects of wealth to the Church in the hope of keeping doom and gloom away. This practice still continues and can be witnessed in almost any church on a daily basis, with money boxes placed before statues of saints. The offering of human sacrifice of children and women to the Gods was the religious practice of Constantine with Sol Invictus and he retained that practice when he dictated the Christian religion in The Nicene Creed. The Catholic Church’s preoccupation with blood spilling, martyrs, torture of virgins and child sexual abuse bears this out to be the truth. The Catholic Church philosophy and doctrine is virtually identical to the concepts of ancient superstition whereby priests interpreted the meaning of the Catholic doctrine to the illiterate and the foolish. Sadly however for the Church that people are no longer illiterate or gullible and will not accept superstition and nonsense as rational. Few honest people will readily accept the Trinity, The Virgin Birth, the account of the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ as presented by the Catholic Church. The ideas of heaven, hell and life everlasting is no longer credible or tangible, and it does not matter how long this doctrine has been taught because “nonsense is till nonsense, no matter how long it has been taught”. The Catholic Church could try feeding the poor as Jesus asked the apostles to do at the last supper. He said “ do this in memory of me”. What here they doing? They were eating!. He asked them to feed the hungry, and the other corporal works of mercy. Characteristics that not widely found in the Catholic church, and certainly not in Ireland as it’s history shows very well.

  • Leo Flanagan

    Let us hope the Irish brand of Catholic Voices is more robust and ready to boast about the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, something the English brand apparently fails to do.

    Perhaps the Irish Catholic faithful can successfully fill the void left by increasing ineffectual Irish clergy [with a few noble exceptions] to stand up to the new strident and confident Irish atheists who are hell bent on dragging us back to the dark ages

  • Anonymous

    As if Ireland hadn’t got enough problems!!!?

  • 1fionacaulfield

    I take that you are not a Catholic because you appear not to know anything about the Faith.

  • Anonymous

    “He asked them to feed the hungry, and the other corporal works of mercy.
    Characteristics that (are) not widely found in the Catholic church”: the ridiculousness, not to mention historical and geographical ignorance, betrayed by this howler is of such Himalayan proportion that the rest of the preceding guide-for-the-gullible to the foundations the Church is merely Snowdonian by comparison.

    Oh, and that is a good-humoured conclusion drawn from objective observation of what you have written, by the way, not to be confused with any ad hominem nonsense.

  • Dr PJ McFall

    Thank you for correcting the syntax of my contribution. The people in the Himalayas will no doubt be puzzled with you reference as indeed as I am. Incidentally, your prose is not very cogent or persuasive and is certainly not sufficiently good so as give you the authority to judge anybody else’s. However, it does not matter whether I am right or wrong; what really matters are the changing attitudes of people to social change with the inevitable self evident dissolution of the Catholic Church. The teachings of Jesus Christ will last forever but they have little to do with The Catholic Church or Christianity. The ritualistic flummery of fancy dress embroidered gowns (vestments) of ‘catwalk’ proportions and other idiotic superstitious mumbo-jumbo using pagan accoutrements used by the Roman Catholic church will no longer be accepted by rational people. I do not want you to change your opinion, faith and foolishness about The Roman Catholic Church, but I think that you should be very aware of it’s rapid downward trend.

  • Dr PJ McFall

    I am a Catholic with a seminarian scholastic background, and it is for these reasons after five decades of serious study that I hold my views. I may not understand the faith in the same way as you do, but I have endeavoured to discover and understand it in a way that is cogent and rational. The points that I have previously made do not and cannot withstand rational objective scrutiny.

  • Dave Corrigan

    FionaI notice that you remain silent about Jack McFall’s contribution to your hastily formed assertion that is, I am sad to say is a very catholic characteristic. Does he not deserve some sort of response to your error?

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/ EditorCT

    Dave Corrigan

    I’ve just read this sentence from the  McFall’s post :

    ”The Catholic Church could make a big breakthrough in logic and intangibility by admitting that that the tenets of the Apostles Creed and the The Nicene Creed “ain’t necessarily so”.

    I don’t need to read aother word to know that 1fionacaulfied is correct in her assumption that he is not a Catholic.

  • Mark Castilano

    You have used “Argumentum Ad Hominem” in an accusatory, sarcastic and offensive manner in order to undermine the integrity of Dr McFall. However you have not provided any worthwhile cogent response or reasoned opinion as to why you believe he is mistaken. This suggests that you do not possess the prerequisite academic discipline, education or knowledge to do so, and you needed to resort to guttersnipe tactics in an attempt to emasculate his dignity. This is the same tactic on which the foundations of the Roman Catholic Church are built, but the foundations have been rotten and are crumbling.

  • Anonymous

    Really, Dr!  There is no need to confuse one’s syntax with a typo: I was simply being polite.  And the Himalayan hyperbole? Little more than a jocular response in figurative proportion to an extravagantly sweeping assertion: a prose by any other name, etc.

    The story so far? Roman Pride comes before a McFall: Ritual Pomp provides the McGuffin, Intellectual Curiosity meets Academic Contortion, Polemical Judgement ties loose ends into Macrame.

    A threadbare plot, some might say.  A bit of a stitch-up, perhaps.  Either way, grammarians dispute… leave the rest to the gods (sorry to mix the Ars with the Odes), as Horace might have said.

     

  • Anonymous

    Why so outraged?  The tenor of your comments reminds me of why it always sounds foolish when someone complains that someone else is making them angry.
    In the interest of reasonable discourse, let me state perfectly clearly: 1. I was being honest, not accusatory: the assertion I quoted was ridiculous. 2. I was being ironic, not sarcastic. 3. If he (or you) took offence, that’s your responsibility, not minethe rest of what you have written is at best best petulant , at worst conceited. Academic prefixws do not make one free from prejujudicial blindness.. As for my credentials, mind your own business. All you need to know is that i too have five decades of learning to draw from, but I would not be so tempted to

  • Dr P J McFall

    Editor CT,Once again your logic, objectivity and reason are clouded with your impetuous emotion and misplaced piety; a very catholic characteristic, if I may say so.  Is it not the case that “once a catholic, always a catholic”? I was ordained on Corpus Christi 1959 (a pre Vatican II ‘dumb-down’ priest), so you can estimate my age as getting on a bit.  I am statistically significant insofar that I have received all seven sacraments.  It is neither nor there what I think or believe, but it is sad to see so many human beings acting blindly like lemmings and jumping over cliffs in the hope of finding paradise in an imaginary next world.

  • Mark Castilano

    Please do not pretend to be a Latin Scholar because clearly you are not, and it does not behove the image of the Roman Catholic Church or your own image to resort to second hand phrases and quotes in order to make an impression. If you have something to contribute please do so clearly without implying that you know the answer. The Latin Scholar fudge is a complete giveaway, so please do not quote waffle to evade the issue.

  • Anonymous

    Why so outraged?  The tenor of your comments reminds me of why it always sounds foolish when someone complains that someone else is making them angry.
    In the interest of reasonable discourse, let me state perfectly clearly:
    1. In my expression of opinion I was being honest, not accusatory: the non-sequitur assertion I quoted does strike me as being ridiculous in its sweeping extravagance.
    2. The hyperbole of the metaphor I employed was proportional and ironic in intent, not sarcastic.  
    3. If he (you) took offence, that’s his (your) responsibility, not mine.  I meant it when I said there was nothing ad hominem about my response.  And I still do.

    Forgive me if I am wrong, but the rest of what you have written appears petulant at best, intellectually conceited at worst.  N.B. “appears”.

    Incidentally, academic prefixes and suffixes are not prerequisites for intelligence .  As for my own credentials, daring as I did to poke fun at the non-sequitur I quoted, I too have five decades of learning to draw from, but I would not be so tempted as to presume that the conventions of academia leave me immune to criticism.  Or humour.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/ EditorCT

    PJ McFall,

    You speak of “logic” and then launch into a nasty personal tirade?  Get a grip.

    If you do not believe the divinely revealed Creeds, that is, you do not believe even the basics, then you are not a Catholic.  “Once a Catholic always a Catholic” flatly contradicts the teaching of the Church; if we fail to make our Easter duties (remember those????) then we place ourselves outside the Church.  Even – so the “liberal” scholars tell us – in the earliest days of the Church if the new Christians failed to attend the Eucharist (Mass) for three consecutive weeks, they were considered to have left the  Church.

    So, that’s for starters.  It’s not “Baptism” and that’s it. 

    Secondly, and most importantly, if we deny even a single doctrine of the Church, then again, we place ourselves outside the Church. When the doubting disciples said they couldn’t accept Christ’s teaching on His Real Presence in Holy Communion, Our Lord turned to the others and said: “Will you also go?” That is, he drew attention to the fact that they were now outside the Church – they’d gone.

    Give yourself a rest from reading about lemmings and cliffs.  If, as you say, you do not believe in (“an imaginary”) next world, go and make the most of this one and stop wasting your time on Catholic blogs.  I doubt very much that having receied all seven sacraments will be of much use to you in the next world anyway, given Christ’s warning about those who turn their hand to the plough and then look back.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, I meant to write “guide-for-the-gullible to the foundations of the Church”.

  • Anonymous

    I tried to reply to you before, Mark, but Disqus posted it above, hence I had to add on an explanatory prologue via the edit facility.  Sorry about that.

  • Psalm91:11

    No need to shout Thomas. Try decaf.

  • theroadmaster

    The Dan Brown School of Theology must have granted the license for this version of Christian history.

  • theroadmaster

    It might be very convenient for your unbelief if the Catholic Church committed the ultimate apostasy and admitted that the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed were hoaxes, but 2000 years of Church orthodoxy will tell us otherwise.  Now you follow this up by stating “that it can be truthfully admitted” (such a blanket statement of certainty in itself raises doubts) that the Church promoted these Creeds due to the pervasive belief-systems in gods and demons around this time.  Could you expand on this very doubtful assertion with some historical proof? How foolish of us to believe in the conventional Christian wisdom that  Church theologians and bishops of the early centuries strove earnestly to formulate precise definitions to encapsulate the elusive  and difficult biblical doctrines and concepts of their day, in order to unite believers and counter heretical interpretations.
    What sources do you have for the very dubious claim that Constantine influenced by the pagan cult of Sol Invictus, introduced blood sacrifice of victims and the torture of virgins to Christianity. I know that the worship of the sun-god was an integral part of Roman deity worship and some think that it influenced the choice of December 25th for Christmas.  But again this is a supposition based on little evidence.  You practically write off the whole Christian story and the key doctrines which followed, in one fell swoop, without offering any solid counterarguments to contradict them.  You base your argument on the so-called enlightened attitudes of modern citizens to what you term “superstition and nonsense”.   Simply dismissing something in so foolish and arrogant a manner, will no do, without offering reasonable arguments to support your point.
    Jesus did invite His apostles and indeed their successors to ‘do this in memory of me”, which mean’t the faithful observance of the Eucharistic sacrifice through all ages to spiritually feed their flocks with the spiritual life-giving force of His Body, Blood and Divinity in the transformed elements of bread and wine.    One can derive a lot of grace from this as one outwardly conforms one’s life to Christ in feeding, clothing and providing spiritual support for the needy, sick and hungry.
    You make a rather generalized silly assertion that the Irish Church does not practice any corporeal works of mercy or acts of charity towards the vulnerable or poor in society.  This is a terrible slight on priests, nuns and lay activists who daily minister to those very people who are  on the edge of destitution and rejection.  Church organizations such as the St Vincent DePaul  or individuals such as Sr Stanislaus Kennedy, the founder of the Focus organization for the homeless, quietly go about the unselfish business of seeing Christ in the face of every man and women, which Our Lord urged them to do.

  • Anonymous
  • Dr P J McFall

    Catholic Myth and MagicIn the year 135 the emperor Hadrian ordered that Golgotha (Calvary) be excavated. The top 20 ft. of earth was removed, transported and scattered because Christians were coming to Golgotha (Calvary) in droves and were digging up pieces of the true cross and selling them as healing relics. Selling of the true cross became the “Ebay’ of that era. By the year 130 the trade had become a great nuisance and there were rival traders (spivs) causing ructions and quarrels in the streets of Jerusalem. The menace had even spread to the streets of Rome. After the excavation that took nearly five years there was not one item of anything to do the crucifixions crosses or nails left. As part of Hadrian’s reconstruction, the temple of Aphrodite was erected. And yet how strange it is that 300 years later Constantine’s mother Helena went to the exact spot where Jesus had be crucified and found the true cross and the nails. This nonsense is the foundation on which The Roman Catholic is built: blatant deception and trickery. My mother had a relic of Padre Pio for which she foolishly paid five pounds in 1957. She gave it to me, and I still posses it. I had it scientifically analysed. I later learned that it had never been to Italy, and had never left Ireland. The material was consistent with the habits of the Irish Sisters of Mercy. It seems that remnants of the material of old discarded habits were cut up into small pieces and sold as relics of several saints. It has been purported that the Magdalene Laundries had a good trade in relics. This was Catholicism at it’s height.When Marcus Aurelius was emperor from A.D. 161 to 180, predicted that Christianity would destroy civilisation, which it almost has done and has delayed mankind’s progress by hundreds of years. He was highly educated and applied reason and logic to his rule.  During the time of Marcus Aurelius, Christians were still finding and selling relics of Jesus cross and nails, even 40 years after Golgotha had been excavated. Marcus Aurelius attitude towards the Christian church was one of incredulity. They were claiming miracles and marvels and selling bones as relics. The great theologian and scholar Dr David Jenkins the Bishop of Durham summed it up with the truth that early Christians used magicians tricks with the power to shock. A bit like a modern magician or stage hypnotist. But magicians or stage hypnotist’s are no longer a marvel because all the tricks and procedures have been exposed, as has the Catholic Church. Dr Jenkins said “After all, it was just a conjuring trick with bones which only proves that somebody’s very clever”. An old Catholic theologian priest told me. “if all the pieces of the true cross were found there would probably be enough wood to provide firewood for a year in a dozen houses. If all the nails that crucified Christ were found, it might be possible to build a bridge like the Forth Bridge. If all the blood of Christ could be discovered, there would probably be enough to fill Lock Ness. That sums up The Roman Catholicism for me.The tricks with bones continues in The Catholic Church and only recently in Sept/October 2009 there was a disgraceful display of superstition when the relics Therese of Lisieux were flaunted throughout the United Kingdom to the amusement and incredulity of reasoned rational people. Nothing has changed since in Christianity since the time of Hadrian and Marcus Aurelius, but social attitudes have changed, the people have changed, and this sort of nonsense will be defunct and redundant within the next fifty years. Finally. If a person buys a daily newspaper at random and reads the astrology page for today they are likely to find more logic that the complete doctrine of the Catholic Church.

  • Honeybadger

    Did you know that one of the sins against the Holy Ghost is despair?

    If you, or anyone else, feels that Catholic Voices here or in Ireland are not doing what they SHOULD be doing then it is up to us – armed to the teeth with chapter, verse and ‘Rock’ solid information – to tell them, badger them, nag them into a cocked hat that they are confusing people with the wrong stuff.

    I wasn’t suggesting that the ‘Catholic Voices’ join hands and recite a Hail Mary out loud – oh, no!

    Catholic Taliban is an oxymoron – if only these people listen to themselves if/when they use that description!

    We need to give these things a try, EditorCT! Especially in Ireland. We need a GOOD, SOLID PRESENCE IN THE MEDIA.

    Take examples from the various GOOD Roman Catholic websites in the USA.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/ EditorCT

    Who’s despairing?  The fact is, the Catholic Voices group in the UK are known dissenters.  Having a bunch of dissenters representing the Church in the media, is not a good idea.  Take it from moi…

  • theroadmaster

    It seems that you are now firmly in the school of scientific rationalism that dismisses any notion of transcendent realities beyond our world.  Your parody of  the reality of the growth of Christianity by ridiculously reducing it all to the discredited business of the selling of false relics and to a “conjuring trick with bones” to quote one “Doubting Thomas” bishop, would be rejected out of hand by any serious scholar of theology or religion.
    There was a historical person called Jesus whose life and mission was recorded in the first hand accounts of his apostles in the N.T gospels They personally witnessed His preaching and miraculous works which all culminated in His prophesied death and resurrection.  The presence of  of Jesus’ followers, both men and women, at the empty tomb is faithfully recorded in the gospel accounts.  The eye-witness accounts of the men on the road to Emmaus who spoke with Jesus in the days following His Resurrection(Luke 24:13-35). The placing of the fingers of the doubting apostle Thomas into the physical wounds of the Messiah is another indication that Jesus triumphed over the darkness of death.
    Apostles such as St Peter, St Stephen and St Paul went to their deaths believing fully in the claims of their beloved Master, Jesus.  The truths that He spoke over 2000 years ago is the firm basis on which the Catholic Church is built and they still resonate with us today.

  • Dr P J McFall

    Everything that you have mentioned are just anecdotal accounts of biased pious people and there is not one iota of evidence to support the actual presence of Jesus Christ as depicted in the gospels. Yes there are some spurious accounts of a prophet who preached goodness and compassion like the sermon on the mount, I willingly accept that he may have existed but still there is no tangible proof. Everything that Jesus allegedly said can be written on one side of foolscap and everything that he supposedly said can be spoken in less than ten minutes. The rest was contrived by zealous followers and through the trickery and deception of the cunning and mendacious. The church was much as it is today: Corrupt.It is a shame that the Catholic church resorted to using tricks with bones and cheap Bazaar/Music hall stunts to propagate and proliferate the Catholic faith. Now these tricks can be demonstrated and exposed as post hypnotic suggestion. The apparitions of Our Lady at Lourdes and Fatima were just acts of post hypnotic suggestion in suitable deep trance subjects; unsophisticated, ignorant children. It is possible for an intelligent twelve year old school child using a simple text book on hypnosis to replicate these apparitions. I have actually seen replications of Lourdes and Fatima performed in a research context. In 1972 there were three simultaneous replications of the apparition of Our Lady of Lourdes using hypnosis in different parts of the world. All the children used proved to be deep trance subjects, who would respond to given suggestions about experiencing a vision of the Virgin Mary. None of the children had ever heard of Lourdes or the Virgin Mary. The results were staggering insofar that all three described in detail the appearance of the Virgin, the colour of her dress and the colour and length of her sash and the veil that she wore. None of the children came from France but when given a post-hypnotic suggestion they were able to describe, speaking in the colloquial French dialect that they had seen The Immaculate Conception. The research was again replicated by another team of researchers using the same research methodology in 1983. The results were identical. The research was never published because it was deemed that it would be most unethical to undermine the faith of the sick and the simple. However there is no doubt whatsoever that the apparitions at Lourdes and Fatima were induced by earthly forces and not heavenly influences. The same phenomenon applies to healing the sick, because it is so easy to render someone blind, paralysed, possessed by devils or anything else through hypnosis. At a later date it is just as easy to cure them in front of a large congregation. It is possible that people may have been rendered for sick months or years using trance techniques before Jesus came and cured the lot en masse in front of the multitudes. This is how and why so many people are cured in the American “bible belt”. The American Christian fundamentalists were not the originals, the Vatican had preceded them in deception by several hundred of years. Many years ago I attended a theological seminar in a prestigious Irish seminary. One of the points of discussion was whether the Assumption was still an article of faith as decreed by Pius XII in 1950. I was one of the people who stated that the dogma was ill conceived and it was a puzzle that Pope Pius XII ever sanctioned such incomprehensible and nonsensical doctrine. I argued that it defied all the laws of biology and physics that Mary could live as a human being as stated in the dogma (body and soul into heaven). The discussion became very heated and one Irish monsignor threatened to take me outside and give me the hiding of my life. Some of the priests present crossed themselves when I denied this article of faith.Out of fifty people in the room only three of us believed that The Assumption was ill judged. We were accused of being in league with the devil. It was like a scene from Aldous Huxley’s “The Devils”. One intelligent priest thought it was unfortunate that the Pope had decreed that Mary’s body had been ascended into heaven, because it rendered the doctrine useless.Even today, incredible as it may appear, there are those who still believe that The Virgin Mary ascended into heaven body and soul. It has been muted for a long time that WWII may have taken it’s toll on the sanity of Pius XII, and by the end of the war he displayed signs of psychosis with nightmares and hallucinations. The doctrine of the Assumption may have been as a consequence of psychosis, and that would explain why it is considered to be bizarre and the absence of logicality. I ASSUME THAT THE POPE HAD GONE MAD.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/ EditorCT

    You really need to get down to doing your homework.

    Anyone with even a smattering of educational qualifications, knows that there are AT LEAST two independent, non-Christian sources that report on the life of Jesus, both of them reporting his crucifixion.

    One is the first century Jewish historian, Josephus, the other is the Roman historian Tacitus, early second century.

    Now off you go to check up on those two famous historians, no axe to grind, who confirm the truth of the Gospels. 

    Looking at the length of your posts, though, which I have neither the time nor the will to read closely, One thing jumps out at me though from the post above – the priest who allegedly crossed himself when you denied an article of faith. You needn’t worry about modern priests doing that – they’re busy denying as many articles of faith as they can fit into a (“Catholic”) newspaper article.  But cross himself, that priest may well have done because before this madness set in, this dreadful crisis in the Church, educated Catholics (and the priests then were educated) know that to deny a single artcle of the Faith is to head for Hell.

    Reflect, my friend. Reflect.

  • Dr P J McFall

    The authors to whom you refer I have their texts open on my desk, and no where does it say that Jesus was crucified. They refer to someone being crucified and their reference is nebulous and ill-defined. However there are many more disciplined historians like A. N. Wilson who cast great doubt about the gospel accounts of Jesus life and death. Look, it is becoming clearer that the crucifixion was a clever hoax. The fuss about the crucifixion was reborn by Helena who went to he exact spot to where Jesus was said the have been crucified and she found the true cross and the nails, even though Golgotha had been excavated 200 years before on the order of Hadrian. I admire your faith, but the story is not true and there is not one scrap of evidence anywhere to show anything different.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/ EditorCT

    Nonsense.

  • Honeybadger

    Well, helloooooo! What have I written, eh? What have I written?

    Tell these people that they DO NOT REPRESENT THE TRUTH OF THE CHURCH!!

  • Honeybadger

    It’s not the Holy Father who’s gone mad – it’s you!

    Get over yourself.

  • Honeybadger

    Don’t you blind us with science just because you are a ‘Dr’!

    Richard Dawkins is a professor but it does not make him immune from the fact that he is a buck eejit!

    Harold Shipman was a Dr and so was Crippen.

  • Honeybadger

    Now, I read your opening sentence more than once, over and over again. You began with ‘I am a Catholic’ .

    Tha’ wha’, bub???? You???? After the sort of guff, twisted, ill-researched 100% genuine codswallop and plural ball(derdash) you have wasted your energy typing on this board???

    You are as Catholic as Ian Paisley is a Cardinal!

    It takes FAITH and plenty of it to be a Roman Catholic… and enough science, technology and reliable historical PROOF of Christ’s crucifixion etc. etc. etc. have been documented.

    Wise, educated and the uneducated seek the Lord.

    Fools can’t be bothered yet spend their energies invalidating those who have FAITH! 

     The greatest scientists that ever existed were practising, believing Roman Catholics.

  • Honeybadger

    Too bloomin’ right!

    I have read scholarly work regarding Lourdes,Our Lady, the Crucifixion etc. etc. etc. from  secular publishers but I’ve never come across such dross as this ‘Dr’ has written without these things being analysed and then blown out of the water with nuclear strength!

    Dr Who is more believable!

  • Honeybadger

    Yes, yes, Thomas, dear friend! Calm down, chuck!

    We common-or-garden Roman Catholics know full well that getting people to know the WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE (and the hunger for good priests) can be like talking to a revolving door sometimes.

    The way to Almighty God does not have a revolving door. He has His Only Son, Jesus Christ.

    Do what I do and pray an Our Father, a Hail Mary, a Gloria and the Stations of the Cross for the priests we encounter in our lives who are less than pillars of fire for our Faith.

    Try it.

  • Dr PJ McFall

    That is not a suitable reply for a academically disciplined person like yourself with a masters degree in Theology. You would hardly accept that standard of reasoning from one of your students, I certainly would not. Your one word flippant retort denotes that you do not have a reasoned cogent answer to the proposition in question. Your rude, brusque and discourteous reply suggests that the depth of your knowledge is only superficial and is devoid of worthwhile academic rigour. This sort approach facile answer does not help the image or the progress of the Roman Catholic Church.

  • Dr P J McFall

    That is not a suitable reply for a academically disciplined person like yourself with a masters degree in Theology. You would hardly accept that standard of reasoning from one of your students, I certainly would not. Your one word flippant retort denotes that you do not have a reasoned cogent answer to the proposition in question. Your rude, brusque and discourteous reply suggests that the depth of knowledge is only superficial and is devoid of worthwhile academic rigour. This sort of facile answer does not help the image or the progress of the Roman Catholic Church.

  • http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/ EditorCT

    Well, I would have expected someone of YOUR academic rigour etc etc, blah blah to know that the “Roman Catholic” Church is a Protestant invention. Nowhere, does the Church describe herself as “Roman” – only Roman curia etc. clerics and institutions that are IN Rome.

    The one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church is universal (as the name “Catholic” denotes) NOT “Roman”.

    And if you think I’m wasting my intellect on trying to convince YOU that Christ was crucified, you have another think coming.

  • Dr P J McFall

    And I would have expected that someone like you being a member of the Prestigious Glasgow Bible Group to be more charitable in your attitude to your fellow Christians.Remember God loves everyone not just those of the Church of Rome.

  • Dr P J McFall

    Please explain the rationality of The Assumption whereby Our Lady, and earthly human being has been elevated to Heaven body and soul. How does Our Lady meet her physical bodily needs: oxygen, food, elimination, hygiene etc., If our lady is still human, then why does she and Jesus not come to earth to heal the sick and eliminate human suffering?  It does not matter if you believe me to be mad, according to R D Laing: “We are all mad!”.There is sufficient evidence to purport that Piux XII and his family wanted a new “Pacelli Dynasty” and Pius XII was to be the Most Holy Roman Emperor and that is why tht Pacelli family did a deal with Mussolini when they signed the Lateran Treaty. It all went wrong and Pius XII cracked up after the war and he required anti-psychotic drugs for the remained of his life. Allegedly, he frequently conversed with pictures of The Virgin Mary, and had bizarre apparitions (hallucinations) of the Virgin Mary. He also was physically sick with some sort of gastro-intestinal disorder, like Ulcerative Colitis or Crohn’s disease, that caused him great pain throughout the rest of his life. If one compares the photos of Piux XII in 1939 and 1945, it can be clearly seen that he has aged by about twenty years and looked like a wreck of a man. The truth cannot be suppressed forever, even by the Roman Catholic Church, and the as Clarence Darrow said : “The people will always find out”. They have found out !!!

  • Fear Ialtóg

    Dr McFall below is a Carleton with no academic qualifications. This is quite apparent from the lack of erudite knowledge in his posts. It is indicative though of a mindset blighted with bigotry seeking credibility in a pretentious avatar.