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Seventy per cent oppose gay marriage, poll finds

By on Thursday, 8 March 2012

Seven out of 10 British people believe that marriage should continue to be defined as a lifelong union of a man and a woman, and more than eight out of 10 believe that children have the best chance in life if raised by their biological parents.

The results, revealed by a ComRes online poll of more than 2,000 people, arrive on the eve of the Government consulting on opening marriage to same-sex couples.

The consultation is due to be published on Thursday next week.

The survey, commissioned by Catholic Voices, a group created to put the Church’s case in the media, also shows majority support for civil partnerships.

In a briefing paper published to accompany the results, In Defence of Conjugality, Catholic Voices argues that the redefining marriage will impact negatively on future generations.

Austen Ivereigh, coordinator of Catholic Voices, said: “Our poll shows that the Government has no mandate to alter an institution which lies at the foundation of our society. British people believe that gay relationships should be recognised by the state through civil partnerships. But they are clear that marriage is a unique institution which needs to be promoted because of the benefits to children of being raised by a mother and a father. These results are a clear warning to Government that it is at odds with the public on this issue.”

  • Anonymous

    But is it change for the better or for the worse…?

  • Anonymous

    Marriage predates and is prior logically to the state… the state does not have the power to define it, only to recognize it.

  • Anonymous

    I believe the Church values both forgiveness (mercy, the left hand of God as the Jews say), AND justice (God’s right hand). We should not persecute gays. We should treat them with love and respect. But we shouldn’t flatter them either.

    Jesus does not specifically address homosexuality (or to be more precise homosexual acts –), as far as I know. However, this was likely because it was already condemned in Jewish law and considered to be wrong. It IS condemned in Paul’s letter to the  Romans: “Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps not, but it doesn’t follow that we should encourage masturbation, does it?

  • David Devinish

    Where is the west? If you must contribute, please be clear what you mean. I do not know what sexually saturated people are. Secular societies means what? If you are to mix with normal decent people then you must learn to communicate in a way that they understand. It seems that English is not your first language, but people will help you if you are having difficulties. Please try to make yourself clear otherwise it may be inferred that you are illiterate.  

  • Remo

    If the law on gay marriage is not to allow any abstensions by religious groups, then I can assure you that the Catholic Church will never accept this even if it means loosing the licence to perform marriages. The Church will continue to perform church weddings for those who accept and believe her teachings. The same has happened for the adoption process. The State demanded that the Church could not deny adoption by same sex couples/singles. The Church will only offer adoption to heterosexuals either married or single depending also on their circumstances. Because of this ‘equality’ law society has lost one of the largest and most sucessful adoption agencies in the land, with the result of a backlog and waiting list to the detriment of children in need.
    Facts: The Catholic Church was instituted by Christ who came to offer salvation for all. It has the  authourity and obligation to teach all  concerning Faith and Morals. Many refuse to accept this.
    We have been created with free will. We can accept or refuse to accept these truths. But with the right of free will comes the responsibility of the result of our choice. Many say the Church is riddled with curruption and evil men. In some ways it is because it is run by man who is inclined to evil by nature, but the Church as the Way of Salvation offered by Christ is still with us and we risk all by turning against it.

  • Ndayisaba Sylvester

    This is wonderful but the percentage should even be bigger.NO TO HOMOSEXUALITY

  • Tridentinus

     If all the conditions for the committing of a mortal sin are present then it doesn’t really matter what I think, I believe what the Church teaches.

  • Human Being

    you’re an asshole.

  • Tridentinus

     Sorry I have taken so long to answer your most erudite reply. I have had to read it several times and I gather that by Biblical Faith you mean the Faith exhibited by individuals such as Jeremiah and Job. However, I find it difficult to accept what I can only perceive as an existentialist approach to the Catholic Faith.

    Many, many years ago I studied Philosophy under the Dominicans so you can imagine that it was grounded in Aristotle and St Thomas. Over time I have looked at other schools but have failed to be convinced by them. What I believe now has hardly changed from what I believed then.

    As you can imagine, Vatican II was extremely difficult to accept. It was not just the abolition of the Tridentine rite but mainly the existentialism which seemed to be ousting the traditional Thomism which had held sway for centuries. The options were accept rather like Job or the SSPX. Had I been an existentialist I could have no doubt justified going into schism.

    You remind me that once a Catholic always a Catholic and I’m sure that the lapsed often entertain an emotional or sentimental attachment to what they have given up but it is evident that others, some of them posters on here, former Catholics, use this forum to vent their spleen on Christ’s-faithful and upon His Church. In any event, the Church regards non-catholics who has been Baptised as a Catholics until the reach the age of reason.

    By saying the Church is divine I mean that in the sense that it was instituted by God the Son and its faithful members were the Kingdom of God on earth and in Jesus’s own words to Pilate, his Kingdom was not of this world. In this sense it is both divine because of its Head and human because of its members.

    I cannot agree with you that ” .. a Church that the State is not permitted to check for any reason whatever is a Church that is lawless & a danger to society.” Individual members of the Church, be they lay or clerical, are indeed subject to the Civil Law but never the Institution which has Christ’s personal guarantee and the oversight of the Holy Ghost.

    Regarding scandal, St Paul is right, Christ was a stumbling block to the Jews because He was not or did not appear to be the Messiah they were expecting and they mostly rejected them despite the Prophets. As far as the Gentiles were concerned, His death was pure foolishness, not a scandal. Despite this He has now more followers on this earth than any other religion.

    Finally, I agree with you regarding the current scandal and that attempts to cover up the misdeeds of a number of priests has blown up in the Church’s face. Charitably, I accept that the bishops acted in good faith, unaware, clueless in fact, of the effect sexual abuse has on some people and believing that the scandal was the greater evil. They were wrong and very wrong indeed.

    Catholics in these islands around sixty-odd years ago will have experienced some sort of prejudice. I remember as a young child being berated by a Protestant woman in the street on my way to church because Catholics owed their allegiance to the Pope and not the Queen. Being a Catholic in those days often felt like being a foreigner.

  • Honeybadger

    Please tell us the length of that straw you are clutching - either in centimetres or old money feet and inches.

    Take your time…

  • Honeybadger

    The Roman Catholic Church is thriving in the most unlikely places…

    … that’s because the Church does not change with the trends…

  • Honeybadger

    The people you mentioned are limbering up for the new Olympic game – Catholic bashing!

    These people love winding us up and, when we fight back, they start whingeing.

    Wusses.

  • Honeybadger

    Takes one to know one.

  • Julian

    I had to laugh when I saw this ludicrous “result”.  An online poll conducted in this way does not have remotely the scientific basis compared to a properly conducted poll, which would show about 80% or more of the British public in favour of equal marriage rights.  Nice try though!

  • Anonymous

     I posted this reply a couple of days ago but I don’t seem to be able to see it anywhere.

    Sorry I have taken so long to answer your most erudite reply. I have
    had to read it several times and I gather that by Biblical Faith you
    mean the Faith exhibited by individuals such as Jeremiah and Job.
    However, I find it difficult to accept what I can only perceive as an
    existentialist approach to the Catholic Faith.

    Many, many years ago I studied Philosophy under the Dominicans so you
    can imagine that it was grounded in Aristotle and St Thomas. Over time I
    have looked at other schools but have failed to be convinced by them.
    What I believe now has hardly changed from what I believed then.

    As you can imagine, Vatican II was extremely difficult to accept. It
    was not just the abolition of the Tridentine rite but mainly the
    existentialism which seemed to be ousting the traditional Thomism which
    had held sway for centuries. The options were accept rather like Job or
    the SSPX. Had I been an existentialist I could have no doubt justified
    going into schism.

    You remind me that once a Catholic always a Catholic and I’m sure
    that the lapsed often entertain an emotional or sentimental attachment
    to what they have given up but it is evident that others, some of them
    posters on here, former Catholics, use this forum to vent their spleen
    on Christ’s-faithful and upon His Church. In any event, the Church
    regards non-catholics who has been Baptised as a Catholics until the
    reach the age of reason.

    By saying the Church is divine I mean that in the sense that it was
    instituted by God the Son and its faithful members were the Kingdom of
    God on earth and in Jesus’s own words to Pilate, his Kingdom was not of
    this world. In this sense it is both divine because of its Head and
    human because of its members.

    I cannot agree with you that ” .. a Church that the State is not
    permitted to check for any reason whatever is a Church that is lawless
    & a danger to society.” Individual members of the Church, be they
    lay or clerical, are indeed subject to the Civil Law but never the
    Institution which has Christ’s personal guarantee and the oversight of
    the Holy Ghost.

    Regarding scandal, St Paul is right, Christ was a stumbling block to
    the Jews because He was not or did not appear to be the Messiah they
    were expecting and they mostly rejected them despite the Prophets. As
    far as the Gentiles were concerned, His death was pure foolishness, not a
    scandal. Despite this He has now more followers on this earth than any
    other religion.

    Finally, I agree with you regarding the current scandal and that
    attempts to cover up the misdeeds of a number of priests has blown up in
    the Church’s face. Charitably, I accept that the bishops acted in good
    faith, unaware, clueless in fact, of the effect sexual abuse has on some
    people and believing that the scandal was the greater evil. They were
    wrong and very wrong indeed.

    Catholics in these islands around sixty-odd years ago will have
    experienced some sort of prejudice. I remember as a young child being
    berated by a Protestant woman in the street on my way to church because
    Catholics owed their allegiance to the Pope and not the Queen. Being a
    Catholic in those days often felt like being a foreigner.

  • Little Black Censored

     For some one who professes to respect opinions especially when they differ from yours, your reply to Savia’s thought-provoking comment is extraordinarily dismissive and contemptuous.

  • Little Black Censored

     We aren’t supposed to obey “the Bible” (whatever “obeying the Bible” might mean). We are supposed to obey Christ.

  • Little Black Censored

     It already is a bar to the pseudo-marriage called a civil partnership. That was one of the features that clearly indicated the way things were going to go, and are now going.

  • Bart_0117

    Well I read in the D.T. the other day that the public opinion was actually in favour of the so-called “gay marriage” but did not consider this a priority for 2015.

    Whichever one is telling the truth though, it cannot matter less. What is a perversion/deviation from Natural Law cannot be justified or dressed up sufficiently well to pass our smell test.

  • George Armstrong

    I support the Catholic church’s stance against gay church marriage which, if it becomes law, will a further erosion of Christs teachings and my church, the Church of England. We have the so called Euro Human Rights Act to thank for the mess society and the church’s are in and we must gather forces and fight it tooth and nail. I would never harm nor insult a gay person and would come to their aid if they were in trouble but I cannot & will not support their way of life which is an insult to God and the bible and all I’ve been taught by my christian mother and I thank the Lord she’s not here to witness
    how far society has fallen  to becoming a Godless society. I call on all church’s of good faith to unite and fight any Govt that supports gay church marriage. Enough is enough and a united movement is required now.

  • Anonymous

    The Church has always had married clergy, most of the Apostles were married. For the first 250 or so years most subdeacons, deacons, priests and even bishops would have been married men. In the Latin rite the practice was gradually discouraged by local synods, forbidden by Councils but didn’t actually die out until the 11th century and was not incorporated into Canon Law until as late as 1917.

    Eastern Catholic (in union with Rome) and Orthodox Churches ordain married men to the subdiaconate, the diaconate and the priesthood but not to the episcopate. No one may marry after ordination.

    Whether clergy can marry or not is a matter of Church Law and the Church may change it and grant dispensations as it sees fit.
    Priests, married or single do not depend upon acceptance by the ‘flock’ for their priesthood to be valid and licit, otherwise we have descended into congregationalism.

    Same-sex ‘marriage’ necessarily implies that sexual activity within the relationship will take place which can only be hedonistic, never procreative and is therefore mortally sinful. The Catholic Church teaches that a mortal sin is a serious offence against God that kills the soul by depriving it of sanctiying grace which is the supernatural life of the soul thus rendering it deserving of hell. It further teaches that it is the greatest of all evils to fall into mortal sin and that those who die in mortal sin will go to hell for all eternity. Homosexual unions are by their very nature gravely sinful.

    It is impossible to practise the Faith in a state of mortal sin. However, as to a commitment to doing good, no one can judge the innermost workings of an individual’s conscience, that is between themselves and God. Nevertheless, good works are obviously futile for the sake of one’s soul unless one is in a state of grace;  ‘…for what doth it profit a man if he gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his own soul.’ Matthew 16:26.

    The mercy of God is illimitable, forgiveness depends upon repentance and repentance is demonstrated by recognition of and sorrow for sin, sacramental confession and a genuine firm purpose of amendment. As far as homosexuals and indeed anyone unmarried are concerned this would necessitate a promise to abstain permanently from any form of sexual activity.

    Times, indeed, are changing and have been changing for centuries and within centuries and even within decades or less. Heresy and schism has dogged Christianity from the time of Christ Himself. Each of us is endowed with free will and we are free to accept the teaching of the Church or reject it. If we consider our thinking superior to that of countless philosophers, theologians, doctors of the Church, many of them saints over the centuries and the definitions of 21 Ecumenical Councils, so be it but we cannot claim to be Catholics at the same time.

  • Rosskirkbride

    Your post seems to be to contain a contradiction. You write of an openess and non-judgemental acceptance of reality. A humility of mind without prejudice even. You aspire to understand the biology of it all (as far as I know neuroscience describes phenomenon rather than explaining it, but I’d be interested in your views, with studies cited). Then you deny flatly the possibility of a deity or other forms of life, such as angels. Greater minds (I make an assumption) have differed on these topics.

    As for science explaining and importantly giving meaning to your life. If you followed through I propose this: that evolution creates all your nice feelings of peace, harmony, love, and anger, lust, sadness. They are by-products of a molecular process that have no inherent meaning whatsoever. They’re conjured by time and the primordial soup. 

    A sincere evolutionist would see their body as a hollow vehicle, hijacked. Nihilism would be a consistent world-view. Alas no-one could live like this though. And you certainly wouldn’t post on the internet.

    So you choose to pick those certainties that are expedient, as does everyone to some extent.

    .