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Archbishop Nichols pays tribute to Dr Rowan Williams

By on Friday, 16 March 2012

Dr Williams and Pope Benedict XVI pictured during the papal visit to Britain (PA photo)

Dr Williams and Pope Benedict XVI pictured during the papal visit to Britain (PA photo)

Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster has paid tribute to Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, after it was announced that he was stepping down to become Master of Magdalene College, Cambridge.

Archbishop Nichols said: “In the last three years I have grown to appreciate more and more the fine qualities of Archbishop Rowan: his kindness, his sharp intellect, his dedication to striving for harmony between peoples, especially within the Christian family, his courage and his friendship. These will be much missed when he steps down from his demanding office in December. I will miss him.

“I thank him for all the service he has given, recalling particularly his warm welcome to Pope Benedict at Lambeth Palace, a visit reciprocated with similar joy just last week.

“I now look forward to nine months of continuing work together.”

Dr Williams will step down in December.

  • EndTimes101

    Very much looking forward to the day Vincent Nichols steps down……

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=697126564 Paul Halsall

    Although I disagreed with Archbishop Williams over homosexuality (I welcome gay and lesbian bishops and equality in marriage), I have heard him speak and read his writings. He is a major intellectual, and perhaps one of the most intellectually perceptive people to have reached a major public role in British history.
    I am very sorry to see him go.
    I hope and pray he successfully sees through the full acceptance of female bishops before he retires; I hope and pray his “Anglican Covenant” fails; and I hope and pray his previous support for gay people will be able to manifest itself in his retirement.

  • Anonymous

    The homosexuals have equality but the sexual acts of homosexuals cannot be a consummation of marriage where two become one flesh. Nature discriminates against homosexual relationships by making every single one sterile, however fertile the couple may be. Sexual acts which are not inside of marriage and holy  are deemed to be acts of varying degrees of fornication. All homosexual acts fall short of holiness but inside of a marriage there is plenty of scope for a holy marriage bed. If we were to rise to the challenge of Natural birth control and charts as taught by the couple to couple league, we should be much more authorised to know and communicate about this. BTW, the NFP really does work if you have any self-control. Self control is taught within the home and pratised before marriage. and it produses great holiness happiness and peace within. All Christians are called to chastity which involves periods of celibacy and sometimes a lifetime of it.  Holiness is not so easy to achieve and prayer fasting and the sacraments are all there to help us on an arduous struggle on the steep and narrow path.
     To demand a holy marriage ceremony for an homosexual relationship is sheer nonsense. You are attacking truth itself and  theerfore Jesus who said I am the Truth, do you not know me? Make up your own false version of christianity, or religion, give it your own label and stop hijacking others faith and hurting  others consciences PLEASE Thankyou

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=697126564 Paul Halsall

    Possibly, committed and liturgically celebrated same-sex friendship is of higher religious and sacramental status than marriage.

    Writing in his Life of St. Cyril of Philea (12th century) Nicholas Kataskepenus presents adelphopoiesis (“brotherhoodness” following a liturgical service) as the height of human connection:

    “Cyril teaches There are seven manners and seven kinds of prayers, as says the Abbot Anastasios. Three of them exist under the rule of fear and chastisement; the four others are used by those who are assured of their salvation and have a share in the kingdom of God. When a man is plunged into voluptuousness he holds to a prayer as a man condemned and without confidence, as a man touched by the pain of death; in the second manner, a man takes himself before God and speaks to him as a debtor; the third manner differs from the two preceding, for one presents oneself to the master as a slave, but a slave remains under the rule of fear and the fear of blows; in the fourth, the man carries himself in regard to God as a freed servant, freed from servitude and waiting to receive a recompense because of the mercy of God; in the fifth manner, better than the first four, one holds oneself before God and speaks to him as a friend; in the sixth manner, superior to that, the man speaks to God in all confidence as a son “for I have said that you are of the gods, you are of the son of the Most High”, you all who want it; in the seventh manner, which marks a progress and which is the best of all, one prays among those who have undergone adelphopoiia with Christ…..”

  • Anonymous

    Oh well that sets Sharia law back another few years in the UK. Phew!

  • Anonymous

    Paul Halsall I understood and enjoyed your post apart from the top of it.

    Possibly, committed and liturgically celebrated same-sex friendship is of higher religious and sacramental status than marriage.

    Rather than pretend I can make sense of what you are saying, I will be the child saying the King is in the altogether.

    The teaching of church is that two people confer on one another the state of being married in front of witnesses. The wedding ceremony in church beautifies it and adds God’s full blessing to it when it is a sacramental one with the communion rite. Two baptised Christians marrying confer on one another the sacrament of marriage, the church confers a blessing on it.
      That is why Christians who want to be married to the same sex by Catholic priests are asking a nonsense. Why don’t they just confer on one another by mutual consent the state of marriage, if THEY are of the ( erroneous ill informed ) view they are  married, WHY force others to condone their view by fines, suing and risk of imprisonments? Let them themselves make a church and religion that accommodates their view rather than by the violence of immoral unjust laws, steal money and liberty from others.
     
    I want the homosexuals to stop hijacking and perverting our faith because whether impoversihed through being sued or imprisoned for my faith, I do not accept marriage as anything other than between a man and woman. If my church is used for marrying gays, I would not attend it. If our priest is forced to perform ceremonies through threats of law of fines and imprisonment, the church militant can kidnap him and he will not press charges so matter solved. Do homosexuals want protestors in churches hijacking their ceremony as they attempt to hijack our church through immoral dictatorial laws?
     An END to the war against truth and reason on the Christians of our world please homosexual persons. We Christians do not condone your lifestyle and do not hold your views but we have not had hate towards you as people, you will alienate yourselves towards many who before were accepting kind and tolerant towards you.

  • http://twitter.com/cure_DHunslet Alexander Lane

    Excuse me for being stupid, but what have the comments below got to do with the announcement of Archbishop Rowans announcing his stepping down.  Please keep comments applicable to the Story!

  • John Byrne

    I don’t think he is fully retiring. It was mooted some months ago that he would be taking up an academic post (again) at Trinity, Cambridge, where the fairly recently appointed Master is Prof. Rees (an atheist, but a great believer in belief).

    Let’s hope that we will continue to hear from Dr Williams and that his obvious friendship with the Holy Father continues.
     

  • Rick

    Accepting kind and TOLERANT !!!!! how kind of you ,how very” CHRIST LIKE “you are ….NOT

  • Anonymous

     Tolerant of sin? Do you want me to love the sin or the sinner, being one myself I’ll go for love for the sinner and not the disgusting sins. But many gays would be happier to associate with lovers of the sin than lovers of their souls. Are you one of those?
    You claim to know Christ and myself well but I dispute that and maybe He does too?
    Seeing Christ makes one realise we can crawl out of the dung heap with the GRACE He gives. Many will say Lord Lord but will they be doing God’s will?

  • EndTimes101

     Given you are posting on a Catholic website Paul, have you ever considered the Catholic position on the matter of the sin of homosexuality and therefore the mockery that is ‘gay’ marriage? Who knows, with enough thought and care you may even convert to Catholicism one day….

  • EndTimes101

     What does your reply have to do with the original post about homosexuality and gay marriage pray tell?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=697126564 Paul Halsall

    I don’y you are an especially good Christian. Because you are a bigot.  

    I am sure I could be a better person, but you have no right to judge me not a Christian.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=697126564 Paul Halsall

    I am a Catholic.  I see people in my position as like figures such as Cardinal Congar, and John Courtney Murray,  who were abused for their positions before Vatican II, but whose view were eventually accepted.

  • Anonymous

     I only judged sin itself and not you at all. I was just reading my e-mail and found this which is lovely and which I just posted on facebook so I will share it now http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1888/915/Atheist_Professor_s_Near-Death_Experience_in_Hell_Left_Him_Changed.html?currentSplittedPage=0

  • Rick

    you very sad bitter person, sinner you are like the rest of us but i as a Christian you have no right to judge others under no circumstances, or look down on others ,for anyone to see themselves so righteous and using the name of Christianity to condemn something  they do not understand   , nowhere in the bible do i see Jesus doing like wise ,but im sure he will forgive you +   

  • Anonymous

     Just to make  sure He forgives me, I will go to confession and you can pray for me and I for you and maybe you want to go to confession too cos it is a good thing? God bless And did you not love that story?
    The one I posted a link to?

  • Rick

    interesting STORY ….. ive read similar ones to that .  god bless

  • EndTimes101

     Hmmmm, okay first things first you didn’t answer my original question. But in answer to your response…….you may like to paint yourself as a modern martyr but im obliged to remind you (as you already know deep down) that you just deceiving yourself and others by stating you are a Catholic. You have already ex communicated yourself from the Catholic Church by campaigning not only for homosexuality but the absurd notion of ‘gay’ marriage. There are many things in the Church we can debate, that could be improved and changed, but with dogma (any Dogma), on the intrinsic evil of homosexuality? This is NEVER open for debate. Homosexuality was, is and will always be a grave mortal sin. End of story. Your tactic of agitating from within the Church for evil influence and change will eventually fail and you will have destroyed yourself in the process. Repent and reconvert to the one true faith while you still have time. This life is short and no one promised you a tomorrow. As patient and long suffering as the Father is….. his justice must prevail. There is little time left to make amends. I pray you will use your time wisely….

  • Charles Martel

     Dream on, Paul.

  • Charles Martel

     Paul Halsall, you’re not a Catholic. ask your friend Fr Aidan Nichols, who received you into the Church. You joined it but then left again because you ceased to believe in the teachings of the Church. Sorry, but it’s only fair that someone tell you this bluntly. Please come back.

  • buckle

    You are excused.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=697126564 Paul Halsall

    When the the Church (i.e. the official church) state that homosexuality was “an intrinsic disorder”?    I’ll tell you – 1986, in a non-infallible document.

  • David

    Never mind Dr Williams! When is Archbishop Nichols standing down?

  • Malcolm Pullan1

    When I read the hate-filled, totally un-Christian rantings of many of those so-called Catholics who post messages and comments I begin to question why I am a Catholic at all when it appears that so many of my co-religionists are so far removed from the teachings of Jesus Christ.

  • John Byrne

    Yes “rantings” is the word – although many others come to mind. 
    Fair knocks the puff out of one, doesn’t it?
    I suppose many factors are at play here; the more diabolical than normal Catholic school and faulty potty training being only two of them.

  • EndTimes101

     Who used the term “intrinsic disorder”?
    Paul, you are you really trying to argue that the Catholic Church does not regard homosexuality as sin???

  • Charles Martel

    The Arch-beardo of Canterbury thinks it would be fine to have Sharia Law in the UK for the Muslims. This man is a fruitcake. Case closed.

  • artful

    Thank you for that generous and enlightened tribute

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=697126564 Paul Halsall

    The official church church DOES NOT teach that homosexuality – as a sexual orientation – is a sin.

    It may teach that some sexual acts between people of the same sex are sinful, but that is rather a different thing.

    I mean I suppose same sex hugs are ok. Probably same sex kissing. There is probably some of line with homosexual heavy petting, perhaps oral sex is OK without ejeaculation, and it certainly does teach that anal sex is wrong.

    [The church does not, though, seem to teach that oral sex between married  men and women is sinful (as long as there is no ejaculation), and probably does not say that heterosexual anal sex (clearly a big attraction to heterosexuals since it features massively in straight porn) is wrong either, as long as it is a sort of foreplay.]

    But has to homosexuality, per se, the Church does not teach it is sinful.

  • artful

    Thank you Paul for that enlightened comment. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=697126564 Paul Halsall

    Btw, It was the then Cardinal Ratzinger who used “intrinsic disorder”, or rather “intrinsically disordered” in a Vatican document from 1986 - 
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

  • Anonymous

     The teachings of the Catholic Church are crystal clear on the subject. Homosexuality is a grave mortal sin. Your semantic games are thoroughly dishonest Paul and you fool no one. Denial is not just a river in Africa….

  • Jae

    I agree with you and sadly the Isle was once a Christian country now slowly being overcome by secularism and eventually Muslim domination! Sad history repeats itself as Turkey.

  • Benedict Carter

    When you’ve finished praising the leaders of heretical sects, Your Grace, do you think you might teach the Catholic Faith clearly to some Catholics for once?

  • RW

    A high IQ,  erudition, and eloquence and do not a wise man make.  Rowan Williams could aptly share with King James I the soubriquet, “The most educated fool in Christendom.”