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Thousands of young people kneel in adoration at Wembley Arena

By on Monday, 26 March 2012

A young man stands above the crowd at Wembley Arena (Mazur/catholicnews.org.uk)

A young man stands above the crowd at Wembley Arena (Mazur/catholicnews.org.uk)

Complete silence filled Wembley Arena on Saturday afternoon as approximately 8,000 young Catholics adored the Blessed Sacrament.

The famous sports arena was host to the Flame Youth Congress which was a day of prayer and praise for young Catholic across Britain.

The day culminated in exposition and adoration of the Blessed Sacrament led by Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster who said: “Consider the love of God which brought you into existence. Consider how total that love is, for it brought Jesus to give himself entirely for you and to you, on the Cross and here in the Blessed Sacrament. In this light you are truly extraordinary. Maybe you have never thought of that before.”

Drawing on the theme of the Olympic Games which London will host this year, he continued: “We won’t all be Olympic or Paralympic athletes, but we definitely all have our races to run, our finishing lines to cross.

“Consider the people you have heard today – the athletes, the Mizen family, Fr Timothy, Fr Christopher and Sr Catherine. Are there things in their words that have encouraged you? What are the gifts that the Lord has given you that he might fan into a flame, to share with the world? Name these gifts and ask God to help you to use them well, always for the glory of his name.”

The day also included a keynote speech from Father Timothy Radcliffe on the theme of respect, followed by dance and drama.

Testimonies were heard from the Mizen family, whose son Jimmy was murdered in a South London bakery and there was a short talk on silence from Father Christopher Jamison, made famous through the BBC documentary ‘The Monastery’ and ‘The Big Silence.’

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

     I went to the event and I have got to be honest it was pretty pagan. What was on offer was pretty humanistic and the best things that were said at the event were by two Protestants! The organisers of the events are all lefties and a lot of the Catholic speakers of the event as well were.  There was little mention of Jesus or conversion at the event and sadly it was a missed opportunity. Although kudos for having Eucharistic Adoration at the end. But overall poor show guys -slick organisation, poor content! 

  • Nat_ons

    Sad, yet typical of well meaning souls still trapped in the spirit of Aquarius with its folksy relevance-to-now ideology. There is nothing wrong with human understanding even of God, when set in its proper place – as a sign toward the One whom all too many still worship as the unknown god. Nor, for that matter, is it wholly wrong for those who protest against Catholic Orthodoxy to offer a stronger witness it its truths than those who accept these – but who crave some ‘new’ perspective on them than their own weary flesh can give.

    The Age of Aquarius generation, and those still enthralled to it, have little or no concept of a New Evangelization. For the most part, this evangelizing spirit will extend only so far as modern pop music – frequently made so bland as to be unpalatable – or a reworking of some imaginary ethnic authenticity (overlayered with a beat and psycho-babble platitudes). There is certainly room for newly composed music to spiritually enliven a congregation, even to the joyous strum of guitar and clash of cymbal and the humbling voice in melody; there is also room in faithful witness to Christ for the blancmange of unchallenging truths; this is not what Benedict XVI has asked of us, of course, nor the witness he sets before us all .. but then how many Catholics actually want to hear what the Pope has to say, let alone act on it with sincere vigour …

  • Nablo4000

    so sad you never looked on the good side…maybe you were there to observe and not to kneel down in adoration
     

  • Mary

     Lucy; The Holy Spirit gives you what you need. Jesus was there in the Blessed Sacrament radiating his love, his gifts.. into each of your souls. Go beyond what you think you experienced and go deeper. He draws all of us. This event was a grain of sand, a stepping stone on the path of your life. It’s up to you to open your Bible, receive the sacraments and to discover the mystery of our faith. It’s infinite. God speaks to us in everyday life. All around us he speaks though the events that we live each day, the people we meet, the trials, temptations and persecutions we go through. He is there holding us up. Go and meet him at Mass. Don’t allow your expectations to keep you from the love of your God. Keep going..

  • Shunassa

    Amazing day , inspiring uplifting and a real sense of belonging to Church. Thank you for making it accessible to the throng of people who may never experience such a sense of belonging in their own community. The young people accompanying me came away empowered enriched and alight with the gifts that our Almighty and personal saviour gave to us. Thank you for making it happen, for being the channel through which  He who loves us beyond all limits, could touch our hearts x Awesome!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/MustBeTheJanay Janet Hopper

    I was there too.  I might argue with how sleek the organisation was.  Not sure it was the best youth event I’ve been too in terms of front of house, visuals and presentation.  Then this the first one, there will be much to learn and work on.
    Jesus was actually mentioned a lot.  Each speaker spoke of value in God, knowing yourself in light of who God calls you to be, what God desires for and of you.  I was very impressed by the young sports people and the Olympic athletes who so proudly declared their belief in God and the importance of their faith in their lives.  Regardless of denomination they pray to the same God.
    Lucy it’s a shame you find something that didn’t work for you and point the finger shouting; “lefties”.  Not sure it helps the Church at all.  Also I bet some of them are right handed!
    I was impressed that there was an element of looking at the idea of vocation in it’s broadest sense.  We could all find things we would do differently, you can send feedback, but ultimately 8, 000 young people (well most) knelt in wonder before Jesus.  It might be good for once for the Church to celebrate a success.  Now how to build on it.

  • Guest

    An absolutley fantastic and uplifting day. I was priviledged enought o be able to take a group of 13 young people to the event all of whom in there words ‘had the time of our lives!’ There was something for everyone and it just really inspired. I particularly enjoyed the opening liturgy, closing liturgy and adoration, lunch time and the glee flash mob! The speakers were so real and the 3 young people who gave testimony on their faith was incredible. It was an amazing day and one that I am still buzzing from. Having been to World Youth Day and Hyde park for the papal visit I can safely say Flame 2012 is up there with those fantastic awe inspiring expiereinces! Weldone to all!

    ‘We will never be ashamed of our faith, for it’s only in God we reach our goal!!!’

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BK4BXALLYV52TCKFSENQ2UPNX4 Carmen

    I wonder if you are catholic and if you are, a modern catholic? It looks to me that you went in with a negative attitude, just the fact that 8,000 thousand youth united to give praise to God is enough to work on and to build on the body of Christ. You only get out what you put in in your case not much.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BK4BXALLYV52TCKFSENQ2UPNX4 Carmen

    I wonder if you are catholic and if you are, a modern catholic? It looks to me that you went in with a negative attitude, just the fact that 8,000 thousand youth united to give praise to God is enough to work on and to build on the body of Christ. You only get out what you put in in your case not much.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    Hi Mary, I agree with everything you have written, although I still think the event was poor. I accept most people at the event i.e. young people and lay youth leaders, thought the event was great, but I also spoke to numerous priests, seminarians etc who thought the event was extremely poor and had very little Catholic content, bar Eucharistic Adoration. Although I did think for the short time that she was on Sr. Catherine Mary of the Holy Trinity CFR’s spoke really well. God bless.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    Hi Mary, I agree with everything you have written, although I still think the event was poor. I accept most people at the event i.e. young people and lay youth leaders, thought the event was great, but I also spoke to numerous priests, seminarians etc who thought the event was extremely poor and had very little Catholic content, bar Eucharistic Adoration. Although I did think for the short time that she was on Sr. Catherine Mary of the Holy Trinity CFR’s spoke really well. God bless.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    Hi Mary, I agree with everything you have written, although I still think the event was poor. I accept most people at the event i.e. young people and lay youth leaders, thought the event was great, but I also spoke to numerous priests, seminarians etc who thought the event was extremely poor and had very little Catholic content, bar Eucharistic Adoration. Although I did think for the short time that she was on Sr. Catherine Mary of the Holy Trinity CFR’s spoke really well. God bless.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    Hi Janet, I take your point about the leftie comment, you are right not very helpful, Mea Culpa.

    But apart from that I stand behind the essence of what I wrote. Although I will try and be a bit more charitable in the way I express it next time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    Hi Janet, I take your point about the leftie comment, you are right not very helpful, Mea Culpa.

    But apart from that I stand behind the essence of what I wrote. Although I will try and be a bit more charitable in the way I express it next time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    ???

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    Carmen sorry you got me totally wrong. I am a Catholic, although I don’t know what you mean about being a ‘modern Catholic’.  The event was poor, simple as. I went in there with expectant faith, many people I spoke to about the event in the evening thought it was good, and about 40% of the people I spoke too thought it was awful (mainly priests and seminarians, I even spoke to someone from one of the contributing organisations and he was shocked at how bad it was). 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    Carmen sorry you got me totally wrong. I am a Catholic, although I don’t know what you mean about being a ‘modern Catholic’.  The event was poor, simple as. I went in there with expectant faith, many people I spoke to about the event in the evening thought it was good, and about 40% of the people I spoke too thought it was awful (mainly priests and seminarians, I even spoke to someone from one of the contributing organisations and he was shocked at how bad it was). 

  • Andrew Gray

    As a member of the Christian Socialist Movement I am keen to find out what you have against ‘lefties’? The fact that up to 8,000 young people took time out on a (sunny!) Saturday to attend a Church-organised event is something to celebrate. And the event was openly advertised as ‘inspired by the Olympics’, and focused on its core values and how it links in with Catholic belief.

    Try getting 8,000 young people to sit through Theology teaching for 5+ hours and you’d find not many would return to another event like Flame… I believe that the speakers and day connected well with true love for Jesus Christ, and hopefully CYMFED will build upon it for next time (to be held at the Sage, Gateshead I believe!)

  • paulpriest

    Yet again – big self-indulgent navel-gazing group-hug of the elitist few – followed by lots of facebook & twitter recollections & plans to organise/get together for the next event…

    ..meanwhile teenage lapsation is 94% and rising – but who cares about the silent majority when everyone is having such a good time?

    …and everyone walks away feeling very proud of themselves.

    ..meanwhile out youth are politely reminded that they’ve been pastorally cared for via their ‘professional lay’ representatives – now they can get back in their box

  • C A Geldart

    Very sad that comments degenerated into political mud-slinging. The Church should be apolitica

  • Ferg

    God bless each and every one of them. Wonderful example they are setting. SILENCE fills Wembley Arena…….How many Catholic Churchs are treated like cafes when it comes to noise. May the reverence and respect of these youth be an example to all who worship in a Catholic Church.

  • Inreality

    Amen to that – so excited for where the young church in this country is going!!!

  • http://twitter.com/hpool_ministry H’Pool YouthMinistry

    I thoroughly enjoyed Flame 2012 and feel that it was a fantastic occasion, especially considering it was the first of it’s kind. Yes there are things to learn, ways in which it certain elements could be improved for future events but I feel that the day itself was a huge success. I came to Wembley on the Flame Train with 30 students from the school in which I work making up part of the 400 young people from Hexham and Newcastle and this in itself enhanced the whole experience of the day.

    What I found most inspiring, however, were the testimonies from the athletes who spoke to those gathered in the arena. Maybe it is because I am sports orientated myself or maybe it’s simply that the enthusiasm in the way in which these people spoke about their faith rubbed off on me but this was such a powerful aspect of the day for me.

    The line ”If you want something you’ve never had you should do something you’ve never done” which the young player from Charlton Athletic delivered in a video snippet is just one of the many things which I will remember and try to take forward from this whole experience.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

     Exactly Paul, I think you have hit the nail on the head. Its manipulation to say it was a great ‘Catholic’ event because everyone went away with the ‘warm fuzzies’.  The measure of a great Catholic event is how it feeds into the vision of evangelisation outlined by the councils of the Church and the liturgical renewal called on by Pope Benedict XVI. Anything else is just hot air, call it a great event if you want, but don’t call it a great Catholic Youth Event because it was anything but.  Flame 2012 was truly, truly a awful youth event.

  • Sally

    What a beautiful day I had! I’m 16 and have never experienced anything so uplifting before. So sad to hear all you adults slagging it off-makes me think of the Pharisees for some reason! For those of you who put it together-thankyou for ‘getting what we’re about’ and for those of you who like to slag it off-stay at home next time. Also-the deacons? With all due respect-were they the awkward looking bunch of ‘old before their time’ men who looked out of place and wouldn’t know how to talk to a young person if their life depended on it? Get real people-Jesus isn’t bothered with your power arguments-I think he’s just glad that 8,000 youth spent some time loving him on saturday!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    This is exactly the problem: “but then how many Catholics actually want to hear what the Pope has to say, let alone act on it with sincere vigour”..A lot of people want to create their own image of Catholicism, then when you attack it, you get told off for being a bigot, or that you need to keep with the times.  But with Catholicism its either believe all or nothing, its not a pick and mix religion. Flame 2012 highlighted the systematic problems with CYMFED and the way they are trying to force down their own version of Catholic Youth Ministry on the rest of us. If CYMFED really want to help young people grow in the real ‘Catholic’ faith, then they must implement the vision of the Church as outlined in the Councils of the Catholic Church and the liturgical renewal called for by our Holy Father. 

  • 17 year old

    I loved the event, and I’m not just saying that because I got a
    “spiritual high” or anything like that. I’ve been to World Youth Day ’11,
    Hyde Park for the Pope’s visit and numerous other Catholic youth events.
    It’s always hard to organise something for just one day and try to get
    in theology or anything too deep at the same time, but I think that the
    event did a fantastic job of showing young people who maybe haven’t been
    to WYD or similar that the Catholic faith is vibrant and joyful and
    that being counter-cultural isn’t a problem – it’s a solution. Seriously, there is
    no greater evangelisation than seeing people who are joyful and peaceful
    and all for Christ. Personally, I feel that even if that event leads
    one soul back to Jesus, then it’ll have been worth it,
    but I know for a fact that quite a few people who came with my parish
    haven’t been to church in a while, let alone a big event like that, and
    they’ve come away more open to the idea of being a young Catholic. These
    kinds of events are great for curiosity, especially for this generation
    when we follow it up with sharing videos, insights etc. After WYD, I
    found a lot of apologetics and theology podcasts online, and it’s helped
    me to grow enormously in my understanding and love of the Church, and therefore Jesus. Never underestimate what God can do!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B3HDWGG43M57WSA2AWNOFZIE6U Lucy

    Andy I don’t care about getting large numbers. Its about implementing the vision of the Church outlined in the councils and by our Holy Father: the authentic evangelisation and catechetical formation of our young people.  

  • Honeybadger

    Yet again, the youth gravitate towards what is CENTRAL to the Roman Catholic Church - the Blessed Sacrament.

    How encouraging, heartening and inspiring!

    Judging by what I have read – no outdated, quasi-trendy, blue cagoule, clappy-clappy stuff like the 1980′s!

    Refreshing and hopeful!

    Pope John Paul II says of the youth: ‘The Church of today, the hope of tomorrow.’

  • Honeybadger

    Amen! 

    The cruel irony is, Ferg, that cafes are quieter than the time before Mass stars… perhaps the noise is enhanced by the acoustics. I can hear myself think in a cafe but it is a desperate state of affairs when I can’t hear myself think in my own church! 

    we SHOULD ALL be doing the same as these young people.

    Their brilliant and reverent example should shame the older Mass-goers back into the habit of prayer before Mass begins… not yak-yak-yak-yak-yak about rubbish right up to the bell!

    How do I know it’s rubbish they’re talking? The conversations are so loud, it’s embarrassing.

    The only solution would be to have the recitation of the Holy Rosary before Mass begins. It will give us focus on whose house we are in – and cut the infernal yak!

  • Chelconway

    An amazing and inspirational day, very proud of our young people today.  Change is a big part of all our lives and if we all try a little bit harder we can make a difference.  I was a leader who took a group of 18 along with 52 other young people from Middlesbrough, it was a wonderful sight to see them clapping, dancing and sharing the most moving hour of silence in the adoration of the blessed sacrement.  I hope this event becomes regular for our young people to attend it is one time that they can come together and show they faith without worry about what others think.  AMAZING.

  • Bea

    I echo your disappointment at the adults “slagging it off”.  I think their concern is that although there were wonderful elements in the day, especially the opportunity to adore Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament with 8000 others and our Bishops, there was not very much teaching of what the Catholic Faith is.  But that wasn’t the purpose of the day.
    What we were presented with were the witnesses to Christ’s love and mercy that Pope Paul VI rightly spoke of, “modern man listens more willingly to witnesses than to teachers, and if he does listen to teachers, it is because they are witnesses”.  What we saw was that there are many other young people responding to God’s call, giving up their Saturday to travel from all over the country.  We saw dozens of Bishops, priests, and religious brothers and sisters who were filled with the joy of Christ in their lives.

    It is now the job of the teachers, catechists and youth workers of these young people to form them in the Faith.  I must applaud those who took time out to bring their young people to Flame, and showed them that they will go out of their way to bring their young people to Christ.

    Let us all pray for the young people who attended, and those who work with them, and for our priests and Bishops.

  • paulpriest

     Lucy – ever heard of Fr Larry Richards? Check him out on Youtube and tell me don’t you wish there was a single Catholic Youth Chaplain in this country who could speak to our Young the way Fr Larry does to men?

  • Norma Thomas

    Amazing!! Gives me goose bumps the thought of all youth gather together in front of our GOD.

  • Alice Vaillancourt

    What an inspiration to know that our young people are hearing the word of God in such a joyful atmosphere. May they and all the young people of the world be blessed  Alice V.  R.I. U.S.A.

  • Andrew Gray

    I don’t understand why you seem to be against something which has managed to uplift some of the young Catholics who attended and the fact that they participated in Eucharist adoration?

    There are other days/weekends for young people who want to go more ‘in-depth’, such as Invocation, but this was a unique event which should be built on. If its enjoyed as a social day out then there’s nothing wrong with that. Who says being Catholic can’t be fun!?

  • paulpriest

    …and what about your fellow teenage Catholics across the land?
    Denied even basic catechesis – going through years of Catholic school where religious education consisted in acting out the good samaritan at assembly, celebrating diwali & the seder meal, visiting a mosque and spending hours drawing zacchaeus up that bloody tree!

    What’s our Yoof ministries doing for all them?
    When 94 out of every hundred will abandon their faith – only to possibly return for the matching/hatching/despatching and then leave it behind for the rest of their lives…

    ….all we’re asking is what happens now?
    Is this truly an evangelical beginning – is this a start to a real revolution where the young call out to their brothers and sisters in Christ to return to the fold and they activate real youth ministry in their parishes where the young feel a real part of the community – not some elitist separated-off clique ; usually the kids of the already active professional laity – ironically making the problem worse by alienating the youth who feel they’ll never belong to that sort of system?

    Was this a group hug of the establishment by the establishment so that the establishment could wash their hands of their duties and responsibilities to the millions of lost kids and teens throughout the land?

    Is it a situation of ‘job done – we’ve done our youth ministry bit – now we can plan for the next mass gathering’

    [and stuff those who can't attend or were never given the opportunity to know that events like these exist!!!]

    This isn’t being pharisaical – or being like Judas saying ‘that ointment could have been sold to feed the poor’

    This is saying – great event – but what are the fruits of it?
    Did this all make you feel good and therefore instill complacency?

    Or did it drive home to you the plain and simple fact that most of your Catholic
    brothers and sisters are being neglected and abandoned to the forces of this world without the Church…?

    Did it challenge you?
    Did the leaders of the event apologise for their failures to reach out, to teach, to preach and to draw in the millions of Catholics who have been pushed out – because they didn’t feel it meant anything – they didn’t feel they belonged, they didn’t feel part of it , they weren’t told they were wanted?

    The Young man said to Our Lord “Lord who is my neighbour”

    Were you reminded that your neighbour is lost and needs you?

    Or was this a group hug where you were all called fantastic and all made to feel special?
    While the majority who are lost on the wayside are ignored?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H3XOKBXWZJEM5DDA45NZELVZN4 ellablue

    A shining beacon is an otherwise cloud of darkness. Bless them for responding to His Love.

  • MJCarroll

    Sally,

    What you have had to unfortunately experienced from ‘adults’ is not power arguments in the sense of the left v’s right of the church. It is a power struggle between those who stand up for the magisterium of the church and those who do not. These people actually want you to discover the amazing fullness of why Christ came to save us (not just the summary version that Catholics are getting from the clergy today). This may come as a shock, but if you stick with your faith one day you will discover it is actually the Bishop’s Conference who are the Pharisees. However, it is actually worse than that. The Pharisees, as you know, made everyone stick to the rules of the Jewish faith and lost sight of God and made everyone else lose sight of God. It is worse in the present day because our Bishop’s and numerous clergy are not even allowing people, such as yourself, to hear the fullness of Bible and Catholic teaching. It is this teaching that will elevate your understanding of what Christ did for all of us to its full majesty and beauty.

    Jesus is bothered about these power arguments because this is a battle for souls and there are millions of people in this country who are ending up in hell because our bishop’s and clergy refuse to place evangelisation as their number one priority and refuse to let all those who live secular lives hear the Good News that you had the opportunity to hear at the flame event.

    Being a Christian is not about being nice to people (this is a fallacy portrayed by Catholic and protestant clergy when they mis-interpret the story of the Good Samaritan). Being a Christian is about helping those who can not help themselves but, above all it is about saving souls for God’s kingdom. Be thankful that you went to the Flame event and that your soul is in the process of being saved but, don’t forget those on the outside of the church which the Catholic church is not reaching out to. If our bishop’s and clergy will not do it then it is our job and your job to save them.

    For the record I do not think that the Flame event was a bad thing. It was a stepping stone towards this country eventually holding World Youth Day which is going to be amazing. The reason World Youth Day UK is going to be amazing is because millions of non-Christians will see the biggest witness to Jesus Christ that this country has ever seen. Catholics have waited 400 years since the reformation to see Christ placed centre stage once again by the ‘one true church’.

  • W Oddie

    Who were these wretched adults? I missed that, and would really like to know who they are  so that I can give them a bit of a gentle online savaging. Could someone give me a link?

  • MJCarroll

    William, there has been plenty of discussion on James Preeces’ Catholic and Loving It. Not all bad but plenty of negatives.

    As I always say, lots of orthodox moaning, but never getting their hands out of their pocket to do anything about it.

  • http://twitter.com/LaCatholicState la catholic state

    Andrew….are these young people going to attend Eucharistic Adoration in their local Churches or do they have to have a special Youth event laid on before they will do so.  This is the proof of the pudding.  Was the youth event and big occasion more central than the Eucharist itself?!

    I think such events are good…but they must lead to deeper faith and focus on Jesus Christ, not the feel good buzz that any secular concert could provide just as well.

  • Stmunn25

     ”Kudos “for having Eucharist Adoration?IThis is the real Body,Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.Please speak in more reverence of the real presence of Jesus,no matter where he is.In church or at such mentioned events.

  • Benedict Carter

    This is a good event. 

  • Bart_0117

    Do not base your Faith on fleeting feelings. Do not give significance to fleeting moments of happiness. I like those feelings, too, when I kneel in an Adoration with all lights off save the ones burning upon the Altar, as if the Monstrance, with the Blessed Lord inside, were only inches away from me, with His heartbeat almost audible and palpable. You see, “people of other Christian denominations” like to talk about how they feel. But us Catholics, whilst we may be grateful to God that He had granted us such a profoundly touching moment, we must also pray to God that these feelings of “being close to Christ” sustain us in our arduous battle to Truth. Therefore I personally learnt not to give too much significance to these “Faith experiences” but instead towards learning about the Faith and finding the beauty in the Truth revealed by the Faith.

    Father Radcliffe OP took part in this event? I remember a hymn written by a senior of his by some eight hundred years on the theme of senses and Faith, Adoro te devote. In it, it is said on the second stanza; “Seeing, touching, tasting are in thee deceived: How says trusty hearing? that shall be believed; What God’s Son has told me, take for truth I do; Truth himself speaks truly or there’s nothing true.” I guess it could have been a good old Dominican input, no? I do wish sometimes he would make more inputs about the Church’s orthodox teaching and none about how he or some bishops feel about it though; frankly his remarks on some issues sounded like cheese suffle without cheese or wine without grapes. If you are a preacher preaching for Christ then you should only preach what Truth himself speaks truly; or there’s nothing true.

  • Bart_0117

    Yeah. Me, too.

  • GUEST

    yes I know. but the church should definitely step into political issues like social injustice and… and… global warming! lol There is nothing political about pointing out the fact that 94% of young catholics won’t go to churches for another fifteen years until they get married, anyway. if anything, that should get both rightwing catholics and leftwing catholics alarmed. if there are any such at all, that is.