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Priest is heckled on radio as he says believers are often ridiculed

By on Tuesday, 21 August 2012

Fr Jamison (Photo: Mazur/catholicchurch.org.uk)

Fr Jamison (Photo: Mazur/catholicchurch.org.uk)

The director of the National Office for Vocation of England and Wales was heckled on a radio programme as he began to tell the audience that people of faith often have their views dismissed or ridiculed in the public square.

Appearing as a panellist on the Radio 4 programme Any Questions?, Fr Christopher Jamison said: “I think what concerns me is that there is a kind of new discrimination emerging which is that we are very keen to have a neutral public square which is quite right and proper in a secular democracy. One of the difficulties for people of faith is trying to get their views heard in that public square,” but members of the audience then heckled him.

When the presenter Eddie Mair asked Fr Jamison why he thought he was heckled, he replied: “Well, I was intrigued, it sort of slightly proved the point.”

Fr Jamison, who is former abbot of Worth Abbey in Sussex, was replying to the question of whether he had ever faced discrimination. After being heckled he continued: “There is a real tension here because sometimes it can appear that if you believe certain things, although your opinion will be listened to often it will be ridiculed rather quickly.”

Fr Jamison told the audience: “At the time of the Papal Visit we had a fantastic opportunity afterwards where the British Humanist Association asked to meet a group of Catholic spokespeople and it was a really amazing dialogue. We said that actually there had been too much grandstanding around the time of the Papal visit and it had been a dialogue of the deaf. And when a group of us sat down and talked about the thing more personally there was a much more real engagement of listening and trying to understand.”

  • JabbaPapa

    The modern Church is radically different from what Jesus intended. Surely you can agree to this.
    Mot certainly not !!

    And since when do *atheists* have even the slightest clue about Church matters ???

    And don’t imagine for even the merest *instant* that you’re doing “exactly what Jesus asked”, the stench of hypocrisy from your posts is foul enough as it is.

  • Meena

    You do write some nonsense.

  • Proteios1

    When I slander others it is of course righteous anger. The intolerance displayed by the tolerance crowd is still plain old intolerance.

  • teigitur

    ha ha Pot, Kettle, Black ;spring to mind.

  • Meena

    JabbaPappa’s remarks may remind some here of Basis Fawlty’s words when some of his guests are encouraged to complain, and do so, at the famous hotel. (See recording at about 42 seconds)

    LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFMpySg_UrM

  • Meena

    PS:  You can skip the adverts after 5 seconds.

  • Acleron


    Perception is intrinsically ordered to the cognition of Reality.’
    This is the sort of statement that passes for metaphysics? What nonsense, there are countless examples where this statement is untrue, I gave you four examples, as usual, you failed to rebut them but merely made an unevidenced assertion.

    And atheism is a lack of belief. If anything should convince you that your perception of reality is seriously incorrect is being unable to accept that statement. It may suit your delusion that everybody has to believe, but be assured, again, as usual you are wrong. You yourself have plenty of things that you don’t believe in, fairies, unicorns, zeus, odin, bahomet to name but a few. Atheists have just deleted one further delusion than you have.

  • Acleron

    I actually went to the charge that was brought against him and then looked up the wording in that legal section. That was what was quoted to you. But you have failed to do the correct research and you failed to answer the question – ‘Who could he be inciting to hatred by pointing out that the water dripping from a statue was sewerage?’

    And if you insist on being embarrassed by your own ignorance:-
    Humani Generis – Pius XII
    37…’Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.’

    So the claim is that an individual, Adam, passes by generation, and that can only be by inheritance, to everyone. The claim is provably wrong. We have shown by genetics that all Homo sapiens inheritance could not have been bottle-necked down to one individual male. No doubt when even the Vatican has to accept the latest knowledge, the new interpretation will be that Adam refers to the population at that time, or something else…

  • JabbaPapa

    ‘Perception is intrinsically ordered to the cognition of Reality.’
    This is the sort of statement that passes for metaphysics?

    Thank you for demonstrating so forcefully that you haven’t even the vaguest clue what you’re talking about.

    That statement is very blatantly non-metaphysical, given that it is a statement about material reality.

    As for metaphysics, I’m not the one spewing out ridiculous claims that the existence of reality itself needs to be demonstrated.

  • JabbaPapa

    Oh dear oh dear oh dear …

    That is NOT a scientific statement, and it says EXACTLY NOTHING about Science, and EXACTLY NOTHING about the question of the origins.

    It is a statement pointing out a doctrinal *difficulty*, whilst condemning *religious doctrines* of Original Sin based on the theory of polygenism (scientifically debunked BTW) rather than on the teachings of the Magisterium.

    Quite apart from which, the doctrine of Origina Sin was revised under the Papacy of John Paul II, so that this part of the document is well past its sell-by date — and it concerns the doctrine of Original Sin, and does not concern the theory of evolutin in the slightest, except in your own confused head.

    Oh and BTW, contrary to your deluded notions that genetics has somehow proved the notion that we can be descended from one man and one woman as impossible, genetics has in fact demonstrated that we are all of us descended from one woman, the so-called mitochondrial eve, which makes it therefore not at all unlikely that we are all of us descended from one single man, even though this cannot be scientifically demonstrated.

    __________

    Moving on to the LIES and FABRICATIONS department :

    I actually went to the charge that was brought against him and then looked up the wording in that legal section. That was what was quoted to you.

    BZZZZTTT !!!

    Indian Penal Code (IPC)
     
    Section 295A. Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs
     
    [295A. Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.— Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of [citizens of India], [by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise], insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to [three years], or with fine, or with both.]
    Have you noticed the DISTINCT ABSENCE of the “blasphemy” word ?

    This man has been accused of inciting religious hatred, contrary to your false statements, and contrary to the pure fabrications of the atheists.

    Your intellectual dishonesty is staggering.

    And as for your understanding of religion, it is pitifully inadequate, contrary to the very intimate understanding of very many readers of this online Catholic forum.

    You’re like a street busker trying to teach an entire symphony orchestra about the nature of music.

  • Acleron

    It is certainly not a fact because it is wrong and you have been given examples of why it is wrong. Hence the question.

    By the bluster and incoherence we can safely assume you have gone beyond the level of your understanding.

  • Acleron

    1) Brush up on your understanding of genetics and the English language. I very deliberately and quite specifically did not mention Eve. The discussion was about Adam. But you fall for the misconception that because Eve existed she was the only woman alive at the time. But the same science shows us that there was a minimum of 1200 (that’s a minimum, not best estimate) at any one time. Pius was wrong and the gaps indeed get smaller.

    2) Your whole claim is that the word blasphemy is not used. Well outraging religious feelings is as near in law to blasphemy as you’ll get. It is certainly not incitement to hatred which I know you’d love to pin on him for your own reasons. He upset the on-going scam at the church and they hounded him out of the country. Your hypocrisy in defending these idiots while claiming you are against the imprisonment and treatment of a girl is Pakistan is clear to everyone.

    3) Your whining that anybody who shows you are wrong ‘doesn’t understand’ is boringly repetitive. Try playing another tune.

  • JabbaPapa

    What a joke !!!

    Not. The. Foggiest. Clue, you have …

  • JabbaPapa

    But you fall for the misconception that because Eve existed she was the only woman alive at the time

    >b-word<  you're just inventing rubbish out of thin air to support your own delusions.

    Your whole claim is that the word blasphemy is not used. Well outraging religious feelings is as near in law to blasphemy as you’ll get

    blablablablabla — in oter words when you are demonstrated FACTUALLY to be wrong, you carry on with your fabrications anyway.

    Straightforward intellectual dishonesty.

    You’re literally NOT worth talking to.

    Your hypocrisy in defending these idiots while claiming you are against the imprisonment and treatment of a girl is Pakistan is clear to everyone.

    Wht a load of >c-word< — this man's hateful actions towards ndian Catholics and the Pakistanis' hateful actions towards that young girl as well as your own trademarked anti-religious venom all convey the same stench of religious intolerance and religous hatred.

    Try playing another tune.

    Try using your brain a little harder next time.

  • Acleron

    And finally the considered, logical rebuttal.

  • Acleron


    >b-word<  you're just inventing rubbish out of thin air to support your own delusions.'

    These are verifiable facts. We can compare the population genetics from the existing gene pool.
    Try an easy intro into the area. Someone with your hat size should understand it quite easily.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve 

    I cannot surprise me you deny facts, but the science demonstrates that Pius was wrong.

    Incidentally,your attitude demonstrates why catholicism is not conducive to progress in science
     

  • scary goat

     There is no spoon.

  • scary goat

     Maybe there is no meena?

  • scary goat

     Knock, knock  Jabba. Follow the white rabbit.

  • Fr Thomas Poovathinkal

     

    TRUE APOSTLES HAVE EVERY REASON TO REJOICE, THE RUST IS FALLING AWAY.

    OUR POPE HAS SAID, “LOSING ITS POWER, THE CHURCH WILL BECOME MORE AUTHENTIC”.

    PROMOTING APOSTLESHIP IS THE KEY.

    MERE PRIESTS HAVE LEAD THE CHURCH INTO DECAY AND DEATH.

    IN THE PRIMITIVE CHURCH EVERY CHRISTIAN WAS AN APOSTLE.

    INDIVIDUALS AND INSTITUTIONS HAVE TO EXAMINE THEMSELVES IN THE LIGHT OF GOD WHO TOLD US, “I AM THE LIGHT OF  THE WORLD”.

    “UNLESS YOU EAT MY BODY AND DRINK MY BLOOD YOU WILL NOT HAVE LIFE IN YOU.”

    “I WILL RAISE HIM UP (ANYONE WHO COMES TO BELONG TO JESUS EATING HIS BODY AND DRINKING HIS BLOOD) ON THE LAST DAY”.

  • Fr Thomas Poovathinkal

    “It seems to me that I am doing exactly what Jesus asked.”

    YOU COULD BE RIGHT PERHAPS.

    “The modern Church is radically different from what Jesus intended.” :

    INSTITUTIONALISATION  HAS HAPPENED TO TRAP GOD INCARNATE, JESUS THE LORD; IN THIS THE GODS OF THE EARTH HAVE SUCCEEDED, IT LOOKS.

    TO LIVE AND WORK IN TUNE WITH THE PLAN OF GOD FOR US MEN AND WOMEN, IT HAS TO BE LIKE IN A FAMILY. REMAIN INSIDE AND TACKLE THE PROBLEMS.

    NO ONE IS PERFECT EXCEPT GOD: NO INDIVIDUAL, NO INSTITUTION, NO BEING IN THIS WORLD; NEITHER ME NOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD FOR THAT MATTER.

    WHEN USING THE WORD OF GOD TO TACKLE THE PROBLEMS, IT BECOMES A PROPHECY; SUCH IS THE CASE WITH PROPHETS AND APOSTLES. MERE CRITICISM COULD END UP AS A POLITICAL TACTIC.

    PROPHETS ARE FOUND IN ALL HUMAN GROUPS. BUT APOSTLES ARE SPECIAL TO JESUS’ OWN. HE IT IS WHO IS THE SON OF GOD, GOD HIMSELF IN PERSON ON HISTORICAL LEVEL.

    ON MYSTICAL LEVEL AS WELL AS ON HISTORICAL LEVELS  GOD COMES TO PEOPLE; IN INDIA SOME RECOGNISE GOD AS KRISHNA; OTHERS AS RAMA.

    AS FOR KRISHNA, HE HAS A LOT OF SIMILARITY TO CHRIST. CHRIST AND KRISHNA ARE MOVING ON PARALLEL LEVELS, BUT THEY HAVE MET IN TRUE SEEKERS OF GOD.

    ONE 17 YEAR OLD BOY ONCE TOLD ME AGAINST THE BACKGROUND OF HIS OWN EXPERIENCE, “YOUR CHRIST IS OUR KRISHNA”. SWAMI VIVEKANANDA SAYS, “IF YOU WANT SALVATION KEEP CLOSE TO CHRIST”. “HE IS HIGHER ANY OTHER GOD YOU KNOW.. REF. VOL. NO 8, COMPLETE WORKS, “INCARNATION OR AVATARA” – PAGE NO. 190-191

    THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF SEEKING IS THROUGH SPIRITUAL MEDITATION USING THE INCARNATIONAL SCRIPTURES: THE GITA AND THE BIBLE (GENESIS, EXODUS, THE PROPHETS, THE PSALMS, GOSPEL OF ST. JOHN AND ACTS OF THE APOSTLES – ARE THE MINIMUM ESSENTIAL BOOKS).

    HERE THE SECRET IS THE FAITH OF SIMPLE PEOPLE THAT GOD HAS COME TO OUR HUMAN FAMILY TAKING HUMAN BIRTH. AND THIS FAITH SIMPLY WORKS OUT IN THEIR FAVOUR.

    ORGANISED RELIGIONS (SINCE THEY ARE HIGHLY POLITICAL) ARE THE GREATEST HINDRANCES TO TRUE SEEKERS. BUT TRUE SEEKERS JUMP OVER THE WALLS, BREAKING RULES AND REGULATION OF THE GODS OF THE EARTH. HERE LIES THE GREATNESS MAN OF MAN.

  • JabbaPapa

    Sorry, no idea what you’re talking about, I took the blue pill.

  • scary goat

    LOL. I am convinced meena and acleron are agents. they only exist inside the matrix. if you take the red pill they can’t follow. 

  • Knight

    The BBC closely vets audiences for programmes such as Any Questions and Question Time with a very specific set of questions in advance. One should not be surprised that the BBC then uses the questionnaires to hand pick audiences with some quite extreme anti-Christian views. There will, of course, be a few moderate members of the audience but most will, as intended, be intimidated into remaining silent once the vocal and hostile elements make their presence known and receive rapturous applause for every scourge inflicted upon the hapless Christian lamb. It is morally repugnant that we are made to pay – through the propaganda license fee – for our own ridicule and persecution from an arm of the state with more sympathy for marx and mohammed than for Our Lord and Saviour.

  • Acleron

    Boo

  • Emanuel

    I agree with Fr Jamision.Today’s socitey claims to be free and discuss on any matter,but when the Word of God is mentioned many  people will try to change the subject or even try to tell you that God has a place only in one’s personal life. Even people in power separate God from their public office. This is happening with the illusion that we are free to be our own gods.This reflects on the decisions we as a socitey are making, like abortion,divorce,same sex marriege. These are all things that goes directley against the Word  of God. The price we are paying are, cancers and other types  of sickness because of sex with more than one partner.Children that are raised in unstable families are on the increase. Sometimes couples cannot have children because of the type of life they lived before.

  • celtictaff

     The BBC is anti Christian, and everything they do is engineered to push their political agenda. Propaganda is the name of the game, and it must have the full support of the government.
    Why else would it be allowed to continue?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KSDY3PMVEAUJVLDCBTEEXST5EM David T

    He didn’t get much of an applause either.