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Archbishop of Canterbury and Orthodox patriarch to join Vatican II celebration

By on Monday, 17 September 2012

Dr Williams and Patriarch Bartholomew (Photo: CNS)

Dr Williams and Patriarch Bartholomew (Photo: CNS)

The Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and the Archbishop of Canterbury will join Pope Benedict XVI’s celebration of the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council, it was announced today.

Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople and Dr Rowan Williams will attend the Mass that Pope Benedict will celebrate at the Vatican to mark the anniversary of the opening of the council on October 11, 1962, Vatican officials said.

Representatives from the Orthodox Church and Anglican Communion were observers at the 1962-65 council, which officially embraced and promoted Catholic involvement in the ecumenical movement.

During the January celebration of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, Pope Benedict said the Second Vatican Council placed the search for Christian unity “at the center of the life and work of the Church,” because it was Christ’s desire that his followers be united.

In addition, the Pope said, “the lack of unity among Christians impedes a more effective proclamation of Christ because it puts our credibility in danger … How can we give a convincing witness if we are divided?”

Ecumenical cooperation in proclaiming the Christian message is expected to be a key topic at the world Synod of Bishops on new evangelisation on October 7-28.

  • Sweetjae

    Abuse under the name of VII (spirit) that is the real culprit NOT The Council itself!

  • Cafetera R.C.

    Jabba Papa, are you in another age of time ? Do you ever ask why so many RCs leave the church or just do not go? Do you think the RCC is not pompous? Christ would never dress in the RCC’s  control pompous costumes.  There are many that need to open their eyes and or minds of just what is going on and why. The good Cardinal Martini said it very well. The wind of change is on it’s way that will blow the old fig leafs away for good. Most RCs are cafeteria RCs like it or not in the western world. Ask them if they believe all ( 100% ) with no ands if or buts what the RCC teachings. Can you prove all the RC teaches is 100% correct? One of many,a cafeteria RC.

  • Fact not Ficton Please

    What a load  of twaddle. If the Roman Catholic Church really wanted Christain Unity why do they persecute smaller Catholic schismatic groups. There is plenty of evidence to state from tyhe local diocesan bishops and priests that they hate the smaller groups despite they hold valid but illicit apostolic succession.
    Where is there Christian Unity, perhaps the Holy See forgot to explain this to their bishops!

  • Dominic Johnson

    Inviting Dr Williams and Patriarch Bartholomew to the celebrations commemorating Vatican II is significant. To the Orthodox churches it is an opportiunity to demonstrate that the post VII excess have been brought under control and to the Anglicans that an ‘anything goes’ approach will not result in unity if that is what they really want.

  • JabbaPapa

    Jabba Papa, are you in another age of time ?

    I pray that I may be in the Eternity of Salvation, yes.

    Thank you for demonstrating your sheer inability to prove any of your more rebellious statements.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    No.

  • JabbaPapa

    Look, let me try and paraphrase the fourth question, which seems to be offering some sort of difficulties.

    (I will not attempt to answer it, nor does this paraphrase constitute approval or disapproval — it’s merely an attempt to clear up a more basic misunderstanding of what is being asked)

    _________

    Sweetjae (paraphrased) :

    Fourthly, how is it that the various defenders and proponents of the ‘traditionalist movement’, if they really are the holders of true Faith and share the same pre-Vatican II tradition, have nevertheless developed opposed and differing beliefs out of this singular tradition? I have never seen any SSPX supporter nor any(*) radical traditionalist who can cohesively answer that. Can you Mr. Carter?

    (*) Ed. replaced the adjective “other”, because it is logically incoherent with the rest of the question.

  • Cafeteria R.C.

    Jabba Papa, you as well as those with closed minds should go to google news and then go from there in to vatican news and read it daily and you might just see where you and others are. I have proved no more than what you have proved but at least I have a open mind. Most RCs today DO NOT agree with the RCC teachings 100% which makes them CAFETERIA R.C.. Today in the google news in to vatican news, there is a very good news item on Vatican II with todays church as well as on the wealth of gold of Germany and or the RCC. Open your mind before the winds of change blow you and others away. P.S. Your prays will be answered sooner than you think.

  • JabbaPapa

    Opening my mind to satanic lies and manipulations is not one of my projects — but your claim that I do not have an “open mind” is a LIE that you would be completely unable to even start to demonstrate, given that you know next to nothing about me.

    Your personal fantasies do not constitute information.

  • Sweetjae

    Thanks.

  • Sweetjae

    You knew very well that your boat named SSPX will sink under water.

  • Sweetjae

    Don’t pretend everybody knows when cornered you dodged. Jabba have done a good job of paraphrasing it for you.

  • JabbaPapa

    No I don’t think so — their fundamental beliefs will eventually force them back into communion with the Church.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    The possibility of corporate union with the Anglicans, Lutherans and other protestants does not exist.

    Union in Catholic terms means unity in faith, in Sacraments and in Church governance. This is clearly impossible given that we share none of these things with any protestants. 

    Orthodox – we have two out of three.

  • Cafeteria R.C.

    Time changes all and waits for no one.

  • JabbaPapa

    To be fair on the Lutherans, the historical tendency in the last century or so seems to be slow movement towards rather than further away from Catholicism.

    They did actually end up agreeing that one of their objections to the Real Presence was theologically untenable and would have to be abandoned…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    You are jesting. The Lutherans were in front even of the Anglicans in the wholesale move to the “progressive agenda”. 

  • JabbaPapa

    … certainly, but the Anglicans have long since overtaken them on that marathon race to perdition…

  • JabbaPapa

    Quite apart from the fact that your comment is so general as to be completely meaningless, Revelation is an Attribute of God, who is Eternal — time most certainly DOES NOT change God (only God Himself has that Power), nor is God subjected to your amateur philosophy.

  • Fr. Thomas Poovathinkal

     
    THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF EVILS DUE TO THE INSTITUTIONALISATION OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST THE LORD.

  • Fr. Thomas Poovathinkal

     IF THE FAMILY DOES NOT SOLVE THE ABUSE CASES, THESE THEN GO TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NATION CONCERNED.

    IT PROVES THAT THE FAMILY OF GOD’S CHILDREN HAS NO TRUE FATHER  OR TRUE AUTHORITATIVE FIGURE IN PRACTICE. AGAIN A PROBLEM OF INSTITUTIONALISATIO-N  OF  THE CHURCH
    OF CHRIST THE LORD.

  • Cafeteria R.C.

    A self taught person had a fool for a teacher. Your comments lack evidence.

  • Tridentinus

     You don’t seem to understand the nature of the Church and treat it as though it were like a political party which depends upon numbers for its existence and its clout in the external forum and changes its policies according to the signs of the times in order to appeal to the maximum number of people. The Church is a divine institution solely concerned with the eternal salvation of mankind. It doesn’t, it can’t change its doctrine as secular fashions and opinions change as everything it teaches is necessary for the achievment of this purpose.
    Now because we possess free will we are at liberty to reject what the Church teaches but we do so at the peril of our immortal souls.
    “Behold, I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world,” is Our Lord’s promise to his Church so it can never go out of existence so numbers do not matter.
    Those who call themselves Catholics yet do not agree with 100% of the Church’s teaching are deluding themselves that they are members of Christ’s Body, the Church. On the Last Day they will find this out, alas, by then it will be too late.
    So-called cafeteria catholics who pick and choose what to believe generally do so in in the main order to ameliorate their physical comfort and pleasure and banish any sense of personal guilt; self-deception.

  • Tridentinus

     Whilst I do not doubt that the abuse of minors has occurred throughout the history of Christianity the reason that the current situation can be attributed to VII, is because  those who interpreted the Council’s teaching gave the clergy and the laity the impression that their behaviour was a matter for them and no one else, not even the Church. Freedom of conscience was being proclaimed from the pulpits in those days without the proviso that conscience had to be informed.
    The moral laxity of the 60s and 70s leached into the seminaries and novitiates and admission standards were relaxed. The massive drop in vocations meant anyone applying was greeted with rapture and without much background interrogation.
    It has been alleged that the celibate Anglo-catholic clericate attracted a lot of homosexuals and it is a fact that most child-abuse committed by Catholic priests and monks was against boys. It is reasonable, therefore, to speculate that in the post-conciliar years, homosexual men were attracted to the Catholic priesthood for the same reason as their Anglican counterparts; easy access to young boys (altar boys and schoolboys).
    It is well reported that clerical homosexuality has been rife in the US Church from high ranking prelates down to lowly curates. Indeed, many clerics have hardly bothered to hide their proclivities and homosexual, and in some cases could be held responible for the protection of their lower clergy indulging in the same vice. A lot of these ‘high ranking prelates’ are now dead so -  de mortuis nihil nisi bonum.
    Modern Catholics are in the main tolerant of homosexuality, birth-control, abortion, divorce and fornication. Modern Catholics are primarily concerned with having a life-style which compares with their ‘peers’ Religion is a ‘one day a week’ appearance in the pew. Modern Catholics would never agree with ‘Humanae Vitae’.
    Are modern catholics members of the Church of God?