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Cardinal O’Brien gives his backing to idea of married priests

By on Friday, 22 February 2013

Cardinal O'Brien (Photo: PA)

Cardinal O'Brien (Photo: PA)

Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh, has told the BBC that he would be “very happy” if married men had the option of entering the priesthood.

The cardinal, the only churchman from Great Britain eligible to attend the conclave, said: “There was a time when priests got married, and of course we know at the present time in some branches of the Church – in some branches of the Catholic Church – priests can get married, so that is obviously not of divine origin and it could get discussed again.

“In my time there was no choice and you didn’t really consider it too much, it was part of being a priest. When I was a young boy, the priest didn’t get married and that was it.

“I would be very happy if others had the opportunity of considering whether or not they could or should get married.”

  • LongIslandMichael

     Absolutely correct!!!!! The Church would be heading down a slippery slope. Thanks for posting this insightful comment.

  • LongIslandMichael

     Thanks for pointing out the Altar girls. More of that incrementalism you describe. Tonight at Mass we had three of them serving. I thought to myself during Mass that I hope and pray that the next Holy Father eliminates that nonsense.

  • LongIslandMichael

     Well said. Having altar boys was also a way to help you men discern a future life in the Church as a priest.

  • PrickliestPear

    I’m not sure what you mean by “the original Hebrew,” as Jesus, if indeed he said it, almost certainly would have been speaking Aramaic. At any rate, the words for “father” are very similar: ʾāb in Hebrew, ʾab in Aramaic. You are undoubtedly familiar with the determinative form in Aramaic, ʾabbāʾ. The original word in the New Testament passage in question is the Greek pater.

  • baileylamb

    There’s probably 2 homosexual mafias in the church, a liberal one and a conservative one. I’m just say’n.

  • baileylamb

    Yea women are horrible aren’t they.

  • baileylamb

    Many in America do not trust the priest with their boys.

  • baileylamb

    Bingo. And people think only the liberals are gay…or at least that’s what helps them sleep at night.

  • baileylamb

    So what is a born eunuch?

  • Peter Ighata

    I am yet to understand what he is talking about. There are two different things. Marriage before becoming a Priest and getting marriage after being a priest. if before being a priest, it is already in existence but if after being a priest, I think in his openion with due respect he is confused. let it be noted that anything coming out of  England as far as spirituality or christianity is corncern we especialy Catholics or African Church do not take it serious. that is a place were sin of sodom and gomorra is being pratice. Please, do not carried this idea to the conclave. The Holy Spirit is there to take absolute control because we are seriously in Fasting and Praying for a new pope that will do the will of God and not that of man as in Englang of Europe or Obama of USA. Being a prest is not compulsry.It is a personal discission and contemplation with God. Hence being ordain acording to the order of mechindezek of old it can not be changed. If you decided to make yourself eunock for the sake of Christ why must you change your mind after being ordained. Remember the sin and consequencies for such people go to  the bible such as  Ananias and Sapphira Act 5:1-10       

  • http://twitter.com/rowancarstairs rowan carstairs

    Well he has certainly helped at least one ordained priest to get married in order to save his soul from the hands of this abusive bishop!
    These sick, hypocritical, touchy felly, modernist, clerics who work for the destruction of our Church make me utterly sick. 
    To think he might vote for the next pope! Lets make sure he does not attend the conclave but rather he faces the four priest who accuse him of evil and the truth is out in the open.
      

  • John Fisher

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/cardinal-keith-o-brien-accused-inappropriate
    Well now its out. Sexually abusing seminarins and priests. Four priests have complained to the Nuncio!

  • LongIslandMichael

     Peter,
    Thanks for sharing your testimony. The orthodoxy that so many of our brother’s and sister’s in Christ in Africa adhere to will be the grace that helps to re-evangelize Western Europe and the United States.

  • LongIslandMichael

     If the claims by the seminarians and priests are true then all I can say thankfully is the Holy Spirit is at work by exposing O’Brien prior to the conclave.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    I am not going to yell “hypocrite” for the moment at O’Brien, because, as Solzhenitsyn once famously wrote, “The line between good and evil runs through the middle of every human heart”. It may be he did these things, but has been repenting of it for years. Just for the moment, therefore, he gets the benefit of the doubt. 

    What I WILL yell about is this calling into question AGAIN a matter that has been decided – the question of priestesses. The decision made by John  Paul II was entirely in line with Tradition AND HAS THE FORCE OF DOGMA. 

    As Cardinal Ratzinger later officially explained (at the the Pope’s request), the teaching of the male-only priesthood is to be definitely held by all Catholics and if not held, or if persistent doubts are entertained about it, a mortal sin is committed. It may be that those who refuse to shut up about it are schismatics as well, because their dissent very often involves a FORMAL and DELIBERATE renunciation of the authority of Peter.

    For Cardinal O’Brien (along with the appalling Patriarch of Lisbon, Cardinal Policarpo, a man who after Summorum Pontificum wrote to all Portuguese priests – I have a copy of the letter – threatening them with unspecified sanctions if they ever said an Old Mass), to have called into question the Magisterium’s final decision on the matter of priestesses is a gross betrayal of the Oath he freely made on becoming a Cardinal, a gross betrayal of the Faith and of the Faithful and of Christ Himself. 

    I am sick to death of these “death of the Faith by a thousand cuts” homosexuals in the Church! There is a huge correlation between those calling for a Catholicism without the Ten Commandments (truly a new, demonic religion) and the strength of the homosexual mafia in the Priesthood, amongst the Bishops and now we know within the College of Cardinals. 

    They HAVE to be cleaned out of the Church en masse.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    The liberal-progressive and clerical homosexual mafia are trailing their dissenting wares in public like so many street whores. Expect more of it daily.

    That such people exist within even the College of Cardinals surely now must remove the blinkers from many Catholics eyes.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!

    This is the final result of fifty years of the new Religion of Man they gave us at Vatican II. 

  • Johnlee2

    I think you’ll find the cardinal has just lost a few brownie points…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Taumpj Thomaspj Poovathinkal

     MAY BE obsession with sex or that it is dirty.

    Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

  • teigitur

    They waited rather a long time to come forward. A bit smelly.” Inappropriate behaviour” means what exactly?
     Why don’t they have the courage of their convictions and let us all know who they are?

  • teigitur

    Says nothing about sex. Inappropriate behaviour can mean anything these days.  These people need to identify themselves before they can be taken seriously.

  • teigitur

    Hold on a second there Benny. Innocent until proven guilty. The whole thing is a bit smelly. I am no fan of the Cardinals but these people need to identify themselves before they can be taken seriously. ” Inappropriate behaviour” What does that mean?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    O’Brien is far from being the only Cardinal who will vote in this Conclave with accusations in the public domain against him.

    Daly (?) of Ireland, Dolan and Mahoney from the US are three others. How many more?

  • teigitur

    This is different to those others, who should have been removed. This reeks of Priests with an axe to grind. The timing etc makes me smell a rat. A devil shaped one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Taumpj Thomaspj Poovathinkal

     
    WHY NOT FIND OUT  whether there were women APOSTLES?

    Queen of the APOSTLES……..Who, …..Mother of the SON OF GOD. Here it is good to remember A PERSON IN ACTION is a better communication of TRUTH of that person than mere words spoken.

    And then we have others like the one a former Pope called, “APOSTLE TO THE APOSTLES”.

    APOSTLESHIP includes PRIESTHOOD, BUT NOT VICE VERSA.

    Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

  • http://www.facebook.com/Taumpj Thomaspj Poovathinkal

     
    GOOD.

    At least now they will have to start identifying those who have a call from THE LORD to be “EUNUCHS” for his Kingdom.
    RECRUITING manpower or womanpower for the upkeep of the institution is destroying the CHURCH.

    Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    I thought that too, but apparently the report was passed by these men to the Nuncio one week before the Pope’s abdication. They can’t have known.

    They’re coming forward now they say because they don’t want him at the Conclave.

  • teigitur

    We have no facts.  yet, just what the heathen media want us to hear. He was at the last conclave too remember.

  • teigitur

    We have no facts yet, just the stuff the heathen media want us to hear. He was at the last conclave too remember!

  • Guest245

    Surprised he said it now…There goes his chances to be Pope. Perhaps he was signaling that he does not want the job. I doubt there are enough liberals in the conclave to elect him

  • andrew young

    In the light of recent allegations; is he a proponent of clergy marrying each other!

  • AlanP

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
    Quite apart from the fact that there is a whole media-driven industry devoted to blackening the name of people.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    You’re quite right about the heathen media of course. But even the Guardian report is factual and makes no other comment.

  • AlanP

    We ALL have guilty secrets.  For a few, they come out in public.  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Taumpj Thomaspj Poovathinkal

     ” the authority of Peter.”

    IN ALL THINGS the first premise is always the authority of THE LORD whom Peter represented.

    Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

  • http://www.facebook.com/Taumpj Thomaspj Poovathinkal

     

    WORTH finding out the demands of THE LORD.

    Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    One would assume that goes without needing to be said,. Father. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    One would assume that goes without needing to be said,. Father. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000977900788 Dylan Morgan

    One has to seriously question the psychiatric health of Cardinal O’Brien. He has always been a loose canon, but in recent years his statements have become more and more bizarre, as with his comments about Stem Cell research, that he labelled Frankenstein Science. If nobody in the Vatican ever questions what a Cardinal says or does or the way he conducts himself, we are truly lost. This Cardinal will presumably be in Rome for the conclave, he will be voting for he new Pope now that really does worry me!

  • AlanP

    IF there is any truth in these allegations (and in my opinion a man is innocent until proved guilty) this in no way disqualifies him from playing a full and constructive part in the conclave.

  • Peter

    The media are having a field day with the sex scandals in the Church, but there is something much worse eating at the heart of the Church which the media, being of the world, regard as good instead of bad and therefore never report.

    What I am referring to is the individual drive for power and riches especially among clergy within the Vatican but also, to lesser extent, in diocese and parishes throughout the world, particularly the West.

    This is what Pope Benedict referred to as “filth” when he was cardinal.

    I would guess it is the constant battle against material greed and hunger for power, more than sexual deviancy, which has worn out the Holy Father. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    No, the “filth” comment was aimed squarely at the predatory homosexual clergy. 

    Those who you refer to were described by the Pope, quite rightly with a snort of derision, as “professional Catholics”. All the Chanceries are full of them.

  • AlanP

    My understanding is that it was aimed at the child abusers.  Something quite different from homosexuals.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PWZKI7JBARE4DDT3NQ22RWMOJE Benedict Carter

    Sorry Alan, you cannot get away with that attempt to separate the two for your usual ideological reasons. 

    What we have faced is 100% clear: the overwhelming number of “child abuse” cases (90% plus) have been cases of predatory homosexual clergy after adolescent flesh, NOT little children. 

    Cardinal Bertone was absolutely crystal clear on this point in a recent speech. ALL the data confirms it beyond doubt. 

  • Peter

    I am going on the article by Paolo Gambi in the Catholic Herald, particularly the last two paragraphs:

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/02/14/perhaps-benedict-xvi-believed-he-could-not-stay-holy-while-handling-the-curia/

  • Jonathan West

    You say that as if going after adolescent children is somehow OK in a way that going after younger children is not.

  • Jonathan West

    If it turns out that the allegations are true, would he deserve to have his name blackened as a result?

  • majorcalamity

    I suspect he now has rather more on his mind than making any more outrageous comments on gay marriage, or seeking more open debate on the potential for married priests. It looks as though he now has rather more personal matters to attend to.

  • Peter

    Pope Benedict said this in 2005 well before the homoheresy revelations.

  • AlanP

    Not sure what my “usual ideological reasons” are supposed to be.  And I’ve seen no evidence that child abusers (priests or otherwise) are primarily homosexually oriented, though no doubt some of them are.  Jimmy Savile certainly wasn’t.

  • AlanP

    Yes.  Next question?