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Tarot readers and fortune tellers cannot save you, says Pope Francis

By on Friday, 5 April 2013

Pope Francis celebrates morning Masses at his Vatican residence (AP)

Pope Francis celebrates morning Masses at his Vatican residence (AP)

Salvation can only come through Jesus Christ, not through tarot readers and fortune tellers, Pope Francis has said.

Preaching at morning Mass at the Domus Sanctae Marthae in Rome today, Pope Francis said: “In order to solve their problems many people resort to fortune tellers and tarot cards. But only Jesus saves, and we must bear witness to this! He is the only one.”

“Mary always leads us to Jesus, as she did at Cana when she said: ‘Do whatever he tells you’. Let us trust in the name of Jesus, let us invoke the name of Jesus, and let the Holy Spirit push us to say this prayer trusting in the name of Jesus … it will do us all good.”

Pope Francis also told his congregation a story. He said: “A humble man works in the curia of Buenos Aires. He has worked there for 30 years, he is the father of eight children. Before he goes out, before going out to do the things that he must do, he always says: ‘Jesus!’ And I once asked him: ‘Why do you always say Jesus?’ ‘When I say Jesus ‘- this humble man told me – ‘I feel strong, I feel I can work, and I know that He is with me, that He keeps me safe’.”

Pope Francis continued: “This man never studied theology, he only has the grace of Baptism and the power of the Spirit. And this testimony, did me a lot of good too, because it reminds us that in this world that offers us so many saviours, it is only the name of Jesus that saves.”

  • PaulF

    I thought I had answered all your questions so far as they are answered in Scripture. You certainly have not answered the biblical points I have raised with you. On the core message of Scripture I draw a near complete blank. You are honest enough to admit that there is no biblical foundation of any kind for dignifying the religions of Antichrist with the title of ‘faiths,’ but you are not honest enough to draw the conclusion, that it is perfidious so to honour them.
    I haven’t answered those of your questions in which you engage in a circular argument: Popes bishops and kings have done it therefore it has to be right. If popes bishops and kings run counter to the word of God they will have to account for this to him. For example, there is a large obelisk on display in high profile at the centre of St Peter’s Square in the Vatican which originates in Egyptian pagan religion around the time of Abraham. Deuteronomy 7:26 makes it clear that such objects are under the curse of destruction. If I were advising a pope I would urge him to remove and destroy it so that it could never be used again. It has no place on Christian property.

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    “….priests who are sinners who have married or have sex practices with teachers of their school get them…..”

    Who prevents you to do something positive about it?

    1. Meet the person concerned and speak with him in an acceptable and charitable way. (JESUS has given us sufficient guidance about such things.)

    2. If it is not working, take one more person who is of your own understanding and repeat the same.
    3.If none of these is working WRITE a letter to the BISHOP and send a copy to the Priest. KEEP PURSUING the work UNTIL THE END.

    Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

  • Con

    As a Protestant I agree, they are dangerous. That said the same thing is ripe in all churches who believe we have an immortal soul. Only God is immortal and of course we aren’t god as much as I know some would like to be….

  • Jeffocks

    The Church is right to warn people off fortune-telling etc. when practiced as ‘divinatory mechanisms’ for telling the future such as we now find on telephone lines and freeview TV channels. This is a growing industry and must be symptomatic of a spiritual malaise of some kind. ‘Divination’ can only provide false hopes and mislead people, especially if they subscribe to some of the beliefs accreted to them. However!! historians of art tell us that early tarot cards embody a medieval of iconography which outlines a allegorical system of thought (with much Christian symbolism incidentally) which can be ‘contemplated’, not for divining future events but for reflecting on life generally. Bear in mind how heavily illiterate medieval Christians were dependent on iconography for formation.

    Indeed, anthropology teaches that globally there are many such visual ‘systems of thought’ that are used by people as a method of understanding: a famous example being Tambiah’s study of cultures that use a classification of local animals ‘to think with’ not necessarily to ‘divine with’. I would argue that it is the ‘mediatization’ of horoscopes and tarot cards in a religious vacuum that has led to our current situation. I would also add that scientific modelling of events to predict the future – economic modelling – have also had disastrous consequences, and who’s to say that economic modelling isn’t a form of divination?

  • Jeffocks

    To take up more space – Orwell’s Animal Farm is an allegorical tale that ‘aids thought’ about otherwise difficult issues. My understanding is that medieval iconography inc. originally had a similar function. Anyway, what Pope Francis seems to be saying is not to put faith in the modern purveyors of divinatory practices, these are not people who can save…

  • James H

    Real-life stories like this function as a parable.

    We could all take a leaf out of that poor man’s book.

  • Dr Falk

    Thanks Paul. I sometimes go to a secondhand bookshop which specialises in religious works and I think it may have some of his titles so I will look out for them too. All the best.

  • Dr Falk

    yes.

  • Dr Falk

    I’m sorry Paul that you have introduced how honest I am. I will invite you to look back on the questions I asked. I accept you have answered here the question of paganism and Catholicism. You obviously oppose all pagan elements brought into the Church over the centuries. I suppose that must or might include Aristolean philiposophy in explaining the Eucharistic doctrine of transubstantiation too. You haven’t answered the argument about Paul and Athens or your contradictory statements about whether the Bible teaches non Christian religions are good under certain conditions or only warns against them. My comments on the word ‘ faiths’ can be read on this blog . I must admit I am now confused again Paul as I don’t know whether you want to continue discussing as you are obviously still doing or whether you want to stop as you said in a post I received yesterday from you.

  • skepticalhovian

    Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!! Seriously?! I’m sorry, but *their* crazy, future predicting, silly magic nonsense is not true, but your zombie-wine-bread-eternal-life-virgin-momma gibberings are absolute “gospel”?! What the stuttering f**k is the difference? Magic people with magic knowledge fleecing the gullible and innocent out of money, enjoyment and lives lived. That’s all I see.

  • PaulF

    Dr Falk, You can score these debating points if you think they help. I think they help you to duck the issue. The issue is whether we believe what God says in his word in countless passages. I’ve suggested two passages, one from 2 Corinthians and another from 1 John. You have brushed both aside as thought the Holy Spirit doesn’t know what he is talking about.
    When a Christian begins praising other gods, as he does if he accepts the ‘interfaith’ premise, he no longer believes the apostolic faith and he no longer enjoys its power, because he is no longer able to confess that Jesus is the only Way and the only Saviour of the world. The consequences in lives and in whole church communties are the greatest tragedy.
    You can ignore Moses breaking the tablets of stone. You can ignore Elijah’s challenge on Mount Carmel – ‘How long will you go hobbling on two different legs’ (1 Kings 18:21). You can ignore Jeremiah’s repeated diagnoses of Israel’s descent into disaster (‘other gods … other gods … other gods …’). You can ignore the teachings of the apostle John about who Jesus is and how you identify his spiritual enemies.
    But you can never, never ever pin the blame on God for our modern confusion. In every part of Scripture with total honesty he nails the lies of his spiritual enemies and calls us back with unimaginable love and mercy to the true worship of the only living God who manifests in his only Christ, him alone, and there is no other. We as a church will come back to this truth eventually. The gates of hell will not prevail against the church gathered around Peter. But my aren’t they having a field day in the attempt.

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    Moving about the full circle is VERY important. Just gtting fixed at a given point
    can bring one only self-talk and illusions.

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    In today’s Church There are people. Why don’t you go and witness such things in Divine Retreat Centre, Muringoor, Potta, Kerala; or Sehion, Attapady, Kerala; or Kalyan Tabor, near Mumbay; Or Mathru Dham, Varanasi and….

  • Dr Falk

    Dear Paul,

    Thank you for your comments. Yet again you fail to answer the points I raise which are actually about what you have written which I argue contradicts what else you have written. Ergo your case falls as it is contradictory. Instead of answers you offer a statement of your position. These are not debating points but fault lines in your argument. I am happy to close this discussion now. I am also more than happy to let any reader see our comments and decide between what we have both said. Best wishes

  • PaulF

    Dr Falk, I have not responded to the hares you’ve tried to set running because this discussion is not about my arguments and the alleged fault lines in it. I am not here to glorify myself. I am here to glorify God and to give testimony to the love with which he gives us life by every word that proceeds from his mouth.
    You know very well that the Magi are not praised in Scripture for their astrology. They are praised because they recognized the true Light when it came and went in and worshipped him. The modern ‘interfaith’ falsehood would have stopped them at the door and told them to go back and continue practising their own ‘great’ ‘faith’ and so maintain the ‘peace’ that does not come from God.
    You know very well what Scripture says about Paul’s experience at Athens followed by Corinth so I don’t need to go over it again.
    I believe you also know very well that God tells us throughout his word how intense is his hatred of idolatry, but I also understand that you have a difficulty. Our church has a difficulty and we need to overcome it with the power and the grace of the Holy Spirit. On 31 October 1965 a pope, with the support of the largest ecumenical council in history, signed sections 2&3 of Nostra Aetate, which contain a teaching that runs straight contrary to the whole content of Scripture. The consequences of this departure from truth came swiftly – priests fell like flies, seminaries emptied …. I will spare you the lurid details – and yet three later popes have declared in support of this teaching. It leaves Catholic churchmen in a near impossible position. I nevertheless encourage you to remain faithful to your call without allowing a single word to fall out of what God says to you in Scripture. We are called on by God to do this because his word never fails us and he strengthens us to bear every trial in upholding both the truth of his word and the unity of his church.
    Yes, I am happy to end this discussion now if that is what you want. May you know great blessing from the true God all the days of your life, and may our church soon recover from all the works of darkness that have been wrought in it.

  • Helen

    It’s very interesting to note that only Jesus can save, thus stating that none of the other world religions can. A simple uneducated man was given as an example of belief, perhaps because he hadn’t the ability to read about other religions. Belief that everything will turn out right in the end is the refuge of the ill educated. Faith is knowing arrived at by researching these things. I am pleased to note that tarot cards have been separated from fortune telling by the holy father, since tarot cards cannot tell the future, they show the divine energies that surround you currently, they don’t ‘tell’ anything they just state what is. You also need an understanding of the bible, and the kabbalah to understand the symbolism of the cards. My religion teaches me to respect all religions as they all essentially hold one universal truth. As your bible says ‘there are many labourers in the vineyard’. What a shame that your religion does not do the same. Inculcating fear in the masses is one way to ‘rule’, many dictatorships use this very effectively. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Christian faith, or most other faiths, but ruling by fear (where is the reasoned argument and evidence that tarot and fortune telling doesn’t save, or the evidence that Jesus does) is not the way forward.

  • Zzars

    A lot of people forget that the Catechism is pretty explicit about fortune telling being a load of rubbish, this is a timely reminder that Catholics aren’t supposed to go in for that kind of thing).

  • Ina Cüsters-van Bergen

    I think Pope Francis is not aware of the fact that he is judgmental to another religion. I think I am going to offer to give him a tarot course :-) The Tarot is based on the Holy Kabbala and contains a wealth of western esoteric wisdom. In LVX Ina Cüsters-van Bergen, http://www.templeofstarlight.eu

  • KayakMomma

    But what if Jesus speaks through The Tarot? He uses many avenues to reach us. Many pray for wisdom before they lay a spread.

  • KayakMomma

    Tarot users please join Tarot Wisdom on Facebook. Share your insights and experiences.

  • KayakMomma

    Come join the discussion on the Facebook page Tarot Wisdom. People of many faiths gather there.

  • KayakMomma

    And that is how The Tarot works.

  • Brian Dakin

    Spiritual Growth is the forming of logical thinking that is harmonious with the Laws of Creation. When you have perceived something correctly, with great clarity of thought, and understood it to the point that it has become part of your life, dictating your actions, the Wisdom learned from the experience contributes to you spiritual growth.

    In order to control your Spiritual Growth, you must learn to take 100% responsibility for your own actions, thoughts and deeds. You cannot dump your responsibilities on any other life forms, Gods, Idols, or Cults and expect to grow Spiritually. No other life form including Gods can grow for you. When you have learned to face your problems with you own energy given to you through Creation and know that you are part of Creation, you can draw on the Spiritual Force that is Within you and achieve all that you can imagine.

    Much Love

  • Paolo

    There is a parish priest in my diocese who has a certificate on the wall of his office saying how is trained in Reiki. When my brother said “I didn’t think the Church approved of that?” – the priest replied “What they don’t know won’t hurt them”.

  • Paolo

    Sorry, with my poor English and autocorrect I wrote it wrong – should be ‘saying he is trained in Reiki’.

  • Helen

    So now there are 179 comments and many different views. Has anyone changed their views or beliefs 1 iota? Incidentally many speak here of the devil or Satan, and this is a purely Abrahamic construct. Many religions do not recognise the devil, but talk about dark and light, the Christian concept of ‘devil’ is our dark side, and we all have one. Uniquely the Abrahamic faiths have made the dark side something that can be avoided, it can not. We all have our depths of despair and our dark moments. The way out is to be positive and do positive things, speak, and try to think only kind thoughts and stop judging others, easy to say and so very hard to do! I guess you Christians would call this Jesus! Where we differ is I know that I can learn from my dark and my light, and I acknowledge my dark. NB as for tarot being ‘addictive’ so are many things including dependence on the church. The tarot card named the devil is all about dependence, addiction and the ego, it is a reminder that addiction and obsession with anything can harm our relationships with those around us, it is a card about ego. A good an ethical tarot reader refuses frequent applications for readings, only those so called ‘free’ tarot sites and the premium rate sites fail to do this. A good reader belongs to an ethical association, will charge for readings and has and continues to study tarot. They charge because they have worked hard to develop a skill, but they shouldn’t charge too dearly, they should ‘tell’ only advise. Avoid free sites that is the way to that devil card mentioned above. So many interesting views, may all of your choices lead you to what you are seeking.

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    Good that they left.

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    Those who go for inter Religious dialogue must first be rooted in their own Faith by way of Personally cultivated Faith or else they get lost or compromised.

    Since the Church officially stands for it, we should be tolerant and even generous.

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    Since you have accepted to be lay people you have made yourself IMPOTENT to challenge EVILS in the life of PRIESTS such as LUST, GREED, HYPOCRISY, RITUALISM and ….what not. These are FUNCTIONARIES for you and you are just satisfied with them in practice.

    There is an undeclared policy of People and the Priest seducing each other and thus remaining comfortable in the natural level all the while claiming themselves deceiptively as CHRISTIANS!

    WHAT PREVENTS YOU TO BE DIFFERENT?

    Why don’t you take “these FORNICATING PRIESTS” to your Bishop?(Even our Pope spoke of such sexing Priests). If you are sure of what you say and can produce proof and witnesses, then WRITE to your Bishop, keep a copy of it for yourself and keep pursuing the case until the end. Why not fight the Battles of the Lord from within?

    Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    WITNESSING, Fine; Teaching, go slow.

    Jesus the Lord, “Be careful about the leaven of the ……..

    The whole atmosphere is dominated by the SPIRIT that opposed Jesus the Lord.

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    IF YOU ARE a true believer in the SON OF GOD, Jesus the Lord, he himself advices, guides, reveals, and heals. TRY USING GOD’S WORD….but not for gaining name, fame, wealth…

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    Christians are found going to non-Christians for they do not see their Priests mediating the power of God in practice. How do you think the PAGANISATION of Europe has taken place?

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    Don’t you think “mystical tradition” and the Apostolic tradition contrast?

    Going back to mystical tradition what credit does it give to Jesus the Lord?

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    WHAT attempt did you make to reach out to his help?

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    Leaders everywhere are Politicians to some degree or other. But True Apostles of Jesus the Lord stand the test. These understand people and are generous with all for they have the SPIRIT of Jesus the Lord.

  • Thomas Poovathinkal SSP

    Using other Religions and their practices as curse words are common with people who move in circles and thus are trapped in a limited area of True Life.

    The Apostles saw somebody who did not belong to their group healing people and wanted to stop them. Jesus the Lord said, “No”.

    Only when we reveal Jesus through personal witnessing in practice can people acknowledge him to be God. Mere Teaching works as a technique to control.

    It is FOOLISH to think we can win people with mere WORDS or CLAIMS or ARGUMENTS. We need to present practical CREDENTIALS. This is the way Jesus the Lord lead his Apostles: Proclaim the WORD and …….Here it is in Ch.16:15 of Mark : He said to them, “Go into the whole world and proclaim the Gospel to every creature………..

    Healing and miracles are intimate part of it.

    In Christian Churches especially in the BIG ONES, do we witness such things!

  • Lilly Tilly

    Manmade religions are way too often the reason behind wars. AIN’T working towards salvation…obviously.

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